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aeleven wrote:This thread reminded me of that Dave Chappell clip.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=isqZCdDp ... ata_player

Dat is some ballin' @$$ sh@@ right there. Love the end of the clip. I'll be laffin bout that for days.

Deszaras1979 wrote:Thing is how many people say, "Are you willing to pay more for your stuff?"
This is basically like saying is your stuff worth more to you than another human being's dignity, to this I say wtf? I heard in some factories there are like 8 people to a small dorm and in many cases they are not even allowed to communicate with each other. No tv, no nothin. Just work, day in and day out. These people slave and don't get sh@@ while all some(sheltered upper class types) people care about is their precious "stuff". I'm not tryin to incite anyone but comeon. If an ipad or transformer is worth more to you than another person's suffering and dignity then really wtf? We abolished slavery in the US but we still tolerate it in other countries, wtf?

NO, its an honest question. I understand your not nessasarly singling me out, but I asked the question because many do put these toys that they have devoted so much time too above other things. But the thing is if you feel this way then it shouldn't matter if its a transformer or tooth brush. NO i don't like the fact that products we buy could possibly be made people being paid pennies an hour. (or day).But you know what? I didn't ask companies to pay their employess pennies so i can afford to buy the things i like.
And if there are companies that are really stuffing familes and forcing them to work for pennies 24/7, then yes, those factories should be shut down.

5150 Cruiser wrote:

Deszaras1979 wrote:Thing is how many people say, "Are you willing to pay more for your stuff?"
This is basically like saying is your stuff worth more to you than another human being's dignity, to this I say wtf? I heard in some factories there are like 8 people to a small dorm and in many cases they are not even allowed to communicate with each other. No tv, no nothin. Just work, day in and day out. These people slave and don't get sh@@ while all some(sheltered upper class types) people care about is their precious "stuff". I'm not tryin to incite anyone but comeon. If an ipad or transformer is worth more to you than another person's suffering and dignity then really wtf? We abolished slavery in the US but we still tolerate it in other countries, wtf?

NO, its an honest question. I understand your not nessasarly singling me out, but I asked the question because many do put these toys that they have devoted so much time too above other things. But the thing is if you feel this way then it shouldn't matter if its a transformer or tooth brush. NO i don't like the fact that products we buy could possibly be made people being paid pennies an hour. (or day).But you know what? I didn't ask companies to pay their employess pennies so i can afford to buy the things i like.
And if there are companies that are really stuffing familes and forcing them to work for pennies 24/7, then yes, those factories should be shut down.

No I really wasn't talking about you in particular, but what you say about you didn't ask for it, that is what i'm sayin, alot of people who make the are you willing to pay more argument is that it is the consumer demand for lower prices that forces companies to move their business offshore, it is not the consumer or govt regulation or high taxes. Tax rates during the Bush administration were lower than when Clinton was presdident, regulations were severely loosened, yet companies have been offshoring jobs with wreckless abandon since 2002. What happened was Bush got rid of a lot of barriers like tariffs on imported goods from China, allowing many big businesses to move over seas so that they could employ workers for little of nothing. Also, he got money from China to pay for his war. All it boils down to is greed on the part of big corporations, the govt, and wall street. I don't want to be redundant so I'll leave it at that. I'm not trying to argue with anyone, I'm just expressing my thoughts on the subject.
You should look up on youtube about the iphone workers committing suicide, and maybe it's not the most serious program but the daily show just did an excellent(and very funny) expose on sweatshops. For the record, I do not own an ipad or iphone. It's not like we can go into China and make them do right by their people, but big business shouldn't be so anxious to make a profit that they exploit the communist regime's hold on their people either. It's not like Reagan would've let our jobs go to the old USSR. This is not just a problem in the US though. Big businesses in other countries are outsourcing the production of products to China that could be made in their own country. Globalization and intertwining economies has f***ed a lot of countries up(just look at the EU mess).God I could go on and on but this is just beating a dead horse to death, burying it, digging it up, and beating it again, then repeating it infinity more times. Dave Chappelle FTW.

We did it! We changed the world for the better... oh wait. It totally blew over. Well done, fandom.

While this news is related to Apple rather than Hasbro, now that Foxconn has been pressured to do something to address the conditions for workers, the various other slavedriving companies in China may have some incentive to follow suit.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/apple-foxconn-vow-wide-revamp-200107606.html