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Re: Hasbro Reports Financial Results for the Second Quarter 2012

Postby Megatronsdemise666 » Mon Jul 23, 2012 4:14 pm

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OptiMagnus wrote:Hmm...expected decline in Transformers sales? Gee...that can't possibly have anything to do with a higher price point and a cancelled movie series, could it?


I think the price point would be a minor factor as opposed to there not being much of an outlet at the moment for them to get the TF story out there.

The "expected decline in Transformers sales" comment will be based on the fact that without riding the success of the movies, sales will go down.

People can speculate all they want about other reasons, but that will be the primary reason.

And take this from someone who's worked in accountancy and marketing for 15 years.

Would explain why hasbro would want bay to direct another movie. and the price is fine with me, but was isnt ok is that i cant even find arcee or the vehicon where i am. But i can find the weaponizers.

My closest target had the same six powerizer optimus primes for like four months now.
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Re: Hasbro Reports Financial Results for the Second Quarter 2012

Postby Burn » Mon Jul 23, 2012 4:29 pm

Megatronsdemise666 wrote:was isnt ok is that i cant even find arcee or the vehicon where i am. But i can find the weaponizers.

My closest target had the same six powerizer optimus primes for like four months now.


I don't think we can really blame Hasbro for how retailers distribute their stock.

Hasbro obviously do their wave assortments based on some research though, and that we can blame them for.
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Re: Hasbro Reports Financial Results for the Second Quarter 2012

Postby ConBotFormer » Mon Jul 23, 2012 4:30 pm

Yes, it's a lot of things. But, making fans feel alienated...no pun intended...by canceling toys, making toys smaller and not making the stuff people really want like jetwing Prime available. You will, YOU WILL drive many fans away. Because of prices and cancellations and having to import the cool figures, I've stopped buying transformers. And when I hear people say, "good more for us"...makes me wonder why all the shelves are still stuffed with transformers! I've had some stock in Hasbro for years now and they have NEVER made me money.
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Re: Hasbro Reports Financial Results for the Second Quarter 2012

Postby Megatronsdemise666 » Mon Jul 23, 2012 5:17 pm

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Burn wrote:
Megatronsdemise666 wrote:was isnt ok is that i cant even find arcee or the vehicon where i am. But i can find the weaponizers.

My closest target had the same six powerizer optimus primes for like four months now.


I don't think we can really blame Hasbro for how retailers distribute their stock.

Hasbro obviously do their wave assortments based on some research though, and that we can blame them for.

Well if hasbro makes and packs more bumblebee in any deluxe shipment then they do have something to do with it.

A store isnt gonna know which tf character to put out.they just put out what ever they get
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Re: Hasbro Reports Financial Results for the Second Quarter 2012

Postby njb902 » Mon Jul 23, 2012 6:05 pm

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Megatronsdemise666 wrote:
Burn wrote:
Megatronsdemise666 wrote:was isnt ok is that i cant even find arcee or the vehicon where i am. But i can find the weaponizers.

My closest target had the same six powerizer optimus primes for like four months now.


I don't think we can really blame Hasbro for how retailers distribute their stock.

Hasbro obviously do their wave assortments based on some research though, and that we can blame them for.

Well if hasbro makes and packs more bumblebee in any deluxe shipment then they do have something to do with it.

A store isnt gonna know which tf character to put out.they just put out what ever they get


what you don't think that stores keep track of their own inventory?
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Re: Hasbro Reports Financial Results for the Second Quarter 2012

Postby Autobot032 » Mon Jul 23, 2012 8:45 pm

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njb902 wrote:
Burn wrote:
OptiMagnus wrote:Hmm...expected decline in Transformers sales? Gee...that can't possibly have anything to do with a higher price point and a cancelled movie series, could it?


I think the price point would be a minor factor as opposed to there not being much of an outlet at the moment for them to get the TF story out there.

The "expected decline in Transformers sales" comment will be based on the fact that without riding the success of the movies, sales will go down.

People can speculate all they want about other reasons, but that will be the primary reason.

And take this from someone who's worked in accountancy and marketing for 15 years.


indeed, and if you look at hasbro's current 5 year plan. (we are in year 2) they are about right where they thought they would be, which is okay news.


5 year plan?
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Re: Hasbro Reports Financial Results for the Second Quarter 2012

Postby amtm » Mon Jul 23, 2012 9:12 pm

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A few points, some of which might help answer people's questions.

1. Inventory and store ordering: According to what I've heard from employees at the big box retailers--Toys R Us, Wal-Mart, and Target--the individual stores do not order their inventory. The corporate office does, and the store just gets to sort out what's shipped--they have no idea exactly what's coming to them until it gets there. Being a step further removed from the sales, the corporate people are not likely to have as good a sense of what people are interested in, and the top-down approach is not conducive to learning.

2. Hasbro makes its money when the stores buy toys from them, not when you buy the toys from the stores. So even if a toy is a shelfwarmer, they've already collected the dough, and it will be at least several months before the retail sales cycle is complete and they hear how badly it bombed, if they ever do.

3. While you might presume Hasbro does market research to find out what's popular, I've seen plenty of big financial decisions based on nothing more than a gut feeling or anecdotal evidence at best. People in those positions are no different than anyone else--for every genius idea, there are hundreds of failures. For better or worse, I have yet to see marketing that's based on anything that could be called scientific.

4. Turning back to Hasbro's earnings statement, the most positive thing I see is the growth of the entertainment and licensing segment. The world's richest investor said a couple years ago that the best sort of business is one that has no inventory and simply collects royalties. Licensing is that kind of business. It's clear from the numbers that that division takes less money to make the same amount of profit, which is a good thing for the company. Another benefit is the more Hasbro produces its own entertainment, the less dependent it is on other companies to get things done (and the less dependent it is on physical toy and game sales). The upfront investment was a bit steep, but it seems likely to pay off over time.
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Re: Hasbro Reports Financial Results for the Second Quarter 2012

Postby That Bot » Mon Jul 23, 2012 10:04 pm

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Honestly, I'm only surprised that Boys revenue is down because both Avengers and Spider-Man merchandise hit the shelves during this quarter. I'm amazed that those two movie properties combined couldn't counter the lack of a Michael Bay Transformers film. And even though their loss in Transformers revenue was expected, maybe they could remedy that by putting their TV show on a network that people actually watch. Also, the sheer amount of Bumblebee at every store I go to is staggering. If they stopped putting so many of him in the case assortments, they could probably sell more product. And then there's the Bot Shots. Love 'em or hate 'em, they're taking away space that could be used for more mainline TF toys, and then maybe I could actually find a Vehicon or Airachnid. ><
Speaking of Bot Shots, how can their revenue be up from last year? They didn't EXIST last year.
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Re: Hasbro Reports Financial Results for the Second Quarter 2012

Postby Megatronsdemise666 » Tue Jul 24, 2012 12:35 am

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njb902 wrote:
Megatronsdemise666 wrote:
Burn wrote:
Megatronsdemise666 wrote:was isnt ok is that i cant even find arcee or the vehicon where i am. But i can find the weaponizers.

My closest target had the same six powerizer optimus primes for like four months now.


I don't think we can really blame Hasbro for how retailers distribute their stock.

Hasbro obviously do their wave assortments based on some research though, and that we can blame them for.

Well if hasbro makes and packs more bumblebee in any deluxe shipment then they do have something to do with it.

A store isnt gonna know which tf character to put out.they just put out what ever they get


what you don't think that stores keep track of their own inventory?

They do keep track put thats the point of the size classes. It helps them sort then and make for a better inventory sheet when each toy can be easily organised in systems too
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Re: Hasbro Reports Financial Results for the Second Quarter 2012

Postby njb902 » Tue Jul 24, 2012 2:23 am

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Autobot032 wrote:
njb902 wrote:
Burn wrote:
OptiMagnus wrote:Hmm...expected decline in Transformers sales? Gee...that can't possibly have anything to do with a higher price point and a cancelled movie series, could it?


I think the price point would be a minor factor as opposed to there not being much of an outlet at the moment for them to get the TF story out there.

The "expected decline in Transformers sales" comment will be based on the fact that without riding the success of the movies, sales will go down.

People can speculate all they want about other reasons, but that will be the primary reason.

And take this from someone who's worked in accountancy and marketing for 15 years.


indeed, and if you look at hasbro's current 5 year plan. (we are in year 2) they are about right where they thought they would be, which is okay news.


5 year plan?



oh they discuss that at the shareholders meeting every year.
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