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BeastProwl wrote:
And is that...SMOKESCREEN?

Legion Class, not Deluxe Class I'm afraid.

BeastProwl wrote:
And is that...SMOKESCREEN?

Two.

Oh yeah, Legion Smokescreen, something I noticed

His legs are nearly identical to Knock Out, suggesting this is a massive retool and re-engineering of Cyberverse Knock Out.

Which means, if we get a Deluxe Smokescreen, with the possibility of having a new mold, we could get an extensive retool and re-engineering of Deluxe Knock Out. Just like Japan.

Well, at least we now know Hasbro is capable of re-engineering their Knock Out toy to accommodate Smokescreen.

What the hell have they done to Bumblebee? He looks ridiculous. I hope Hasbro doesn't think this is a valid reason to overfill assortments with him.

Trikeboy wrote:...weapons that look worse than mech tech and they just look absolutely crap.

A spring-loaded missile-launching crossbow, a grabber claw, a firing disc on a stick, and a spring-loaded gun that don't dig into the plastic limits (because these figures clearly have more plastic than this year's offerings) are worse than the mechtech weapons that didn't lock into place? I'm not seeing your logic.

starwarrior1227 wrote:Crap, the prime figs have been retooled to make them look like they come from DOTM's wreckers team...

Some of us actually like that. I expect kids will eat this right up, which is the goal.

That Bot wrote:

Trikeboy wrote:...weapons that look worse than mech tech and they just look absolutely crap.

A spring-loaded missile-launching crossbow, a grabber claw, a firing disc on a stick, and a spring-loaded gun that don't dig into the plastic limits (because these figures clearly have more plastic than this year's offerings) are worse than the mechtech weapons that didn't lock into place? I'm not seeing your logic.

As long as they bring back guns with firing projectiles, I'm happy. I'm tired of figures with guns that "shoot" LED lights.

That Bot wrote:

starwarrior1227 wrote:Crap, the prime figs have been retooled to make them look like they come from DOTM's wreckers team...

Some of us actually like that. I expect kids will eat this right up, which is the goal.

Plaaaansss.

Omega Supreme looked cool but everything else was an epic fail.

Does Hasbro hate deluxe Generation figures?

Why didn't anyone ask about the decline in size of the figures

Why didn't someone ask them what their thoughts are on the rising quality of 3rd party companies who dup their figures and how they plan on competing with that.

How about giving some of the TF fans some direct to video films based off of IDW's recent work?

It's not like we're begging for favors. We'll be giving them "cash" in return.

So depressing....why are they ignoring their oldest and most devoted consumers???

Guess I'll invest more of my spare time and money on video games then.

There is a lot here to like, and a lot I'll be skipping.
I get to be choosey.

Saves me some $$$ for the wash of 3rd party stuff coming out in the near future.

YoungPrime wrote:So depressing....why are they ignoring their oldest and most devoted consumers???

Because we're 10% of their profit. Transformers are aimed at kids before adults, remember that.

YoungPrime wrote:Does Hasbro hate deluxe Generation figures?

They showed us most of the 2013 Generations at SDCC. Kickback, Starscream, Magnus, Sideswipe, Air Raid. Also voyagers Grimlock, Soundwave, Soundblaster, and Blaster. That pushes us through Q1 2013, and we'll find out what's in store for Q2 and beyond at Cybertron Con in January.

Why didn't anyone ask about the decline in size of the figures

Maybe because that's been asked a bajillion times before. Also, these new toys are BIGGER. Because they add significant parts to existing molds and don't seem to scrap anything else in sacrifice, they have notably more plastic.

Why didn't someone ask them what their thoughts are on the rising quality of 3rd party companies who dup their figures and how they plan on competing with that.

Every time someone brings up third parties, they just ignore the question or brush it under the rug.

How about giving some of the TF fans some direct to video films based off of IDW's recent work?

That's expensive and probably wouldn't get a high profit.

It's not like we're begging for favors.

No, that's exactly what you're doing. They're throwing you a bunch of bones and you're being finnicky.

So depressing....why are they ignoring their oldest and most devoted consumers???

Classics
Universe 2.0
Generations
Generations FOC
Transformers 2010
Reveal the Shield
Masterpiece
SDCC Game-color Bruticus
BBTS G2 Bruticus
Amazon Year of the Dragon Ultimate Optimus
Amazon Jetwing Optimus
Year of the Dragon Energon Prime and Omega Supreme retooled and redecoed to look like WFC/G1
Masterpiece Thundercracker out of the MP-11 mold BEFORE JAPAN GETS ONE.
Masterpiece Prime 2.0 with trailer for only $100
And every other masterpiece except Ultra Magnus, Megatron, and Thundercracker from the first seeker mold.
If you look at all that, and can say "they're ignoring you", then you're incredibly picky.

PrymeStriker wrote:

YoungPrime wrote:So depressing....why are they ignoring their oldest and most devoted consumers???

Because we're 10% of their profit. Transformers are aimed at kids before adults, remember that.

And despite popular belief, Hasbro doesn't owe us fans anything. How many of us have actually been collecting the toys, for all the 28 years the brand has been in existence?

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

PrymeStriker wrote:

YoungPrime wrote:So depressing....why are they ignoring their oldest and most devoted consumers???

Because we're 10% of their profit. Transformers are aimed at kids before adults, remember that.

And despite popular belief, Hasbro doesn't owe us fans anything. How many of us have actually been collecting the toys, for all the 28 years the brand has been in existence?

This. A thousand times this.

iv'e been out the loop for a couple of weeks due to being bored but to see a sinnertwin homage and omega make me glad to have come back, happy days.

PrymeStriker wrote:

YoungPrime wrote:So depressing....why are they ignoring their oldest and most devoted consumers???

Because we're 10% of their profit. Transformers are aimed at kids before adults, remember that.

Maybe you shouldn't assume you're aware of everything "kids" like. I've got 2 sons not to mention quite a few nephews and little cousins.

And forgive me if I'm not all that confident in your claims of us being only 10%. We might not be the majority but who's going to deny that we're the backbone.

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

PrymeStriker wrote:

YoungPrime wrote:So depressing....why are they ignoring their oldest and most devoted consumers???

Because we're 10% of their profit. Transformers are aimed at kids before adults, remember that.

And despite popular belief, Hasbro doesn't owe us fans anything. How many of us have actually been collecting the toys, for all the 28 years the brand has been in existence?

Look Hasbro didn't become the biggest toy company in the world just by appealing to children. So regardless of how insignificant some collectors think we are I still have a right to my opinion.

I didn't see any children siting down during that panel discussion so based on your logic why were they there in the first place when the vast 90% of their consumers were somewhere else....?

Were they doing us a favor or is there some significance in attending these conventions?

PrymeStriker wrote:

That Bot wrote:

starwarrior1227 wrote:Crap, the prime figs have been retooled to make them look like they come from DOTM's wreckers team...

Some of us actually like that. I expect kids will eat this right up, which is the goal.

Plaaaansss.

All of the plans!

Seriously though, I can understand the hate for the retools, but I love them, they look great. I'm seriously wondering how these would look in a more...Monster Hunter-y deco.

YoungPrime wrote:And forgive me if I'm not all that confident in your claims of us being only 10%. We might not be the majority but who's going to deny that we're the backbone.

What exactly do you mean by this? The majority forms a backbone of a company's earnings, not the minority. Exact percentages aside, we're not the majority and thus we're not Hasbro's target audience. Although Universe Platinum is a step in the right direction.

Then again, I'm arguing with someone who calls Transformers Prime "Shrekformers" simply because they use CGI, so what do I expect?

YoungPrime wrote:

PrymeStriker wrote:

YoungPrime wrote:So depressing....why are they ignoring their oldest and most devoted consumers???

Because we're 10% of their profit. Transformers are aimed at kids before adults, remember that.

Maybe you shouldn't assume you're aware of everything "kids" like.

I didn't say I knew everything kids like. But they don't make these toys just for adults. Classics, Masterpiece, Reissues, yeah, more than likely aimed at adult collectors. Why can't you swallow that Transformers are for kids first? There's a reason it says 5+ on the box.

And forgive me if I'm not all that confident in your claims of us being only 10%. We might not be the majority but who's going to deny that we're the backbone.

Yes, most adult fans are adult fans because they liked the show and toylines as a...what? Kid.

Informative.

I'm not gonna deny that Hasbro targets the kids the most with their toy line. And, when it comes down to it, I'm not really mad at them for what they are doing because of just that. I do gripe about what I think sucks on what they are producing,but that's just my little opinion and sometimes I feel like venting about this so I won't get overly mad at my REAL problems or wind up killing a certain boss of mine J/k (maybe).

But I do feel that we, the adult collectors, are more than just 10%. I'm thinking more like close to 20%, maybe 18%. And I do believe the number is growing. I've had people from work or other friends come over and be like "wow, that **** is awesome! Where did you get some of that? I haven't seen those in stores.I remember the G1 guys.", and wind up starting their own little collection.

headsortails wrote:But I do feel that we, the adult collectors, are more than just 10%. I'm thinking more like close to 20%, maybe 18%. And I do believe the number is growing. I've had people from work or other friends come over and be like "wow, that **** is awesome! Where did you get some of that? I haven't seen those in stores.I remember the G1 guys.", and wind up starting their own little collection.

I won't deny that we may be a majority of the fandom, but they [Hasbro] have said before that we're the minority of their profit.

PrymeStriker wrote:

headsortails wrote:But I do feel that we, the adult collectors, are more than just 10%. I'm thinking more like close to 20%, maybe 18%. And I do believe the number is growing. I've had people from work or other friends come over and be like "wow, that **** is awesome! Where did you get some of that? I haven't seen those in stores.I remember the G1 guys.", and wind up starting their own little collection.

I won't deny that we may be a majority of the fandom, but they [Hasbro] have said before that we're the minority of their profit.

I don't think he's denying that, but I do think that 10% is surely wrong. It's a made up number, at best. The fact that collectors buy so much at retail would increase that number notably if an accurate read could be taken.

RAcast wrote:

PrymeStriker wrote:

headsortails wrote:But I do feel that we, the adult collectors, are more than just 10%. I'm thinking more like close to 20%, maybe 18%. And I do believe the number is growing. I've had people from work or other friends come over and be like "wow, that **** is awesome! Where did you get some of that? I haven't seen those in stores.I remember the G1 guys.", and wind up starting their own little collection.

I won't deny that we may be a majority of the fandom, but they [Hasbro] have said before that we're the minority of their profit.

I don't think he's denying that, but I do think that 10% is surely wrong. It's a made up number, at best. The fact that collectors buy so much at retail would increase that number notably if an accurate read could be taken.

Oh, I'm sure that the adult collector is still a minority compared to the vast number of kids here in the U.S. alone, not counting the rest of the world. Plus, I'm sure there were not as many kids between the ages of 6 to 12 during my time as there are now. I mean, the school I went to back in the day was a relatively small building back then. Now the school has moved to a new location and is three large buildings that just house 1st through 8th. Plus back then, we only had one 1st grade class. Now there are at least 3 classes that make up a grade. So, yeah, we are still odd man (and woman) out, but can we get a little more credit than just 10%?

"]Keeping close eye on which characters from IDW comics are popular ... might translate as toys. Stay tuned!"


I just noticed this, by the way. If Hasbro goes through with this, then maybe I can get excited for them again!

it'd be very nice to get some of the currently comic-only characters some toys. the non-Pretender Metalhawk, Ambulon (legformers FTW!), psycho Whirl and some of the DJD would be very welcome.