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Hasbro Transformers Prime Frenzy Test Shot

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Re: Hasbro Transformers Prime Frenzy Test Shot

Postby PrymeStriker » Mon Dec 24, 2012 10:49 pm

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Then again, Hasbro gave birth to the Aligned continuity, so I guess we could consider Aligned Rumble and Frenzy officially blue and red respectively. Japan's just doing what they've pretty much done the whole time.
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Re: Hasbro Transformers Prime Frenzy Test Shot

Postby Sabrblade » Mon Dec 24, 2012 10:52 pm

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That Bot wrote:That's Japan being consistent with their version of the TF universe, I guess. Have there been any other versions of Frumble in Japanese TF media?
Well, Cybertron Scrapmetal was called "Rumble" in Galaxy Force (with his pile drivers and Coby's version's head intending to homage the G1 dudes), and he came in both red and blue versions, as well as yellow. ;)

And they only ever got Movie Frenzy in silver/gray, while the Western World got him in silver/gray, blue, red, and even black. :P

But as far as the G1 guys go, Japan was always RIRFIB/FIBRIR about them, so that's consistent for them. Though, according to Andrew Hall, there might (keyword: "might") be something included in AM Rumble's toy bio to reconcile his red color scheme with the Hasbro Rumble's blue. I cvan only hope for something similar in AM Frenzy's bio to fit his blue with this test shot's red (or with Rumble's two differing color schemes). ;)

Thus far, the only things that have had the G1 guys be FIRRIB are the U.S. cartoon, the Devil's Due Joe/TF crossover comics (which are AWESOME, btw ;) ), certain IDW comics (namely the first ongoing and Autocracy), the Diamond Select Mini-Busts, and the canceled-but-still-existent Reveal the Shield Demolition Rumble figure. :-B
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Re: Hasbro Transformers Prime Frenzy Test Shot

Postby Jelze Bunnycat » Tue Dec 25, 2012 7:37 am

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That Bot wrote:FACT: Frenzy and Rumble were, respectively, blue and red & black in the toys
FACT: This color scheme was shared by the Marvel Comics
FACT: The colors got reversed in the G1 cartoon
FACT: The G1 cartoon was written by various freelance writers, funded by Hasbro, handled by Sunbow Productions who had the animation done by Toei Animation and AKOM, and debuted in the US in 1984. American voice actors were the first voice actors to give life to the characters.
FACT: The G1 cartoon premiered in Japan in 1985.
FACT: The Japanese G1 cartoon reversed the names of Frenzy and Rumble so that their colors were correct with the toys and every other iteration.
FACT: Aligned Frenzy and Rumble aren't G1, and have been consistently portrayed as red and blue respectively, meaning the FIRRIB/FIBRIR debate doesn't matter here.

Now can we get back to discussing our potential Hasbro Prime Frenzy toy?
Thank you. :APPLAUSE:

Though, the Takara versions of Prime Rumble and Prime Frenzy have their colors switched. 8-}


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Re: Hasbro Transformers Prime Frenzy Test Shot

Postby NTESHFT » Tue Dec 25, 2012 8:29 am

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headsortails wrote:Whew! I'm glad this is coming out since i didn't want to get the Takara version, for a change. I just felt the Takara version wouldn't quite match up with my Hasbro Rumble, especially since the Takara version wasn't coming with pile drivers.....

The minicon is a bit derpy also. xD And paint is always better than stickers. =_=;

(Though I did enjoy building little Hot Spot here, but being a model kit, that's thee exception. :grin: )



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Re: Hasbro Transformers Prime Frenzy Test Shot

Postby Sabrblade » Tue Dec 25, 2012 10:29 am

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JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Since TakaraTomy has no Aligned continuity like Hasbro does, due to lack of the games, we can assume they're the Cybertonian forms of the G1 characters.
Erm why would that be when Leo Prime's bio explicitly states the TF: Prime universe to be a different dimension from the G1-verse?
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Re: Hasbro Transformers Prime Frenzy Test Shot

Postby Jelze Bunnycat » Tue Dec 25, 2012 10:31 am

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JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Since TakaraTomy has no Aligned continuity like Hasbro does, due to lack of the games, we can assume they're the Cybertonian forms of the G1 characters.
Erm why would that be when Leo Prime's bio explicitly states the TF: Prime universe to be a different dimension from the G1-verse?


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Re: Hasbro Transformers Prime Frenzy Test Shot

Postby Sabrblade » Tue Dec 25, 2012 10:35 am

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Sabrblade wrote:
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Since TakaraTomy has no Aligned continuity like Hasbro does, due to lack of the games, we can assume they're the Cybertonian forms of the G1 characters.
Erm why would that be when Leo Prime's bio explicitly states the TF: Prime universe to be a different dimension from the G1-verse?


I was talking about Generations ;)
In my post I said "Prime Rumble and Prime Frenzy". ;)
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Re: Hasbro Transformers Prime Frenzy Test Shot

Postby Jelze Bunnycat » Tue Dec 25, 2012 10:47 am

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JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Since TakaraTomy has no Aligned continuity like Hasbro does, due to lack of the games, we can assume they're the Cybertonian forms of the G1 characters.
Erm why would that be when Leo Prime's bio explicitly states the TF: Prime universe to be a different dimension from the G1-verse?


I was talking about Generations ;)
In my post I said "Prime Rumble and Prime Frenzy". ;)


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Re: Hasbro Transformers Prime Frenzy Test Shot

Postby XDMan » Tue Dec 25, 2012 4:25 pm

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Proceed on your way to oblivion.

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Dude...

The United States originally came up with the fiction, and several studios in and around the Philippines helped animate the cartoon, while Sunbow wrote the fiction. Japan saw the hubbub going on there and cut short the rebranding of the Diaclone line in favor of the Transformers. Therefore, G1 aired in America in 1984, while in Japan it aired in 1985. How can you not get that?
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Re: Hasbro Transformers Prime Frenzy Test Shot

Postby Mindmaster » Tue Dec 25, 2012 4:29 pm

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XDMan wrote:@PrimeStriker: Given between the choice of who doesn't understand (the two who believe the US does it all or Habsro thinking that they made it), thank Primus someone is willing to join me. ;)

@JelZe Goldrabbit: Goodbye. Who cares about your so called enlightening. In other words:

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Dude...

The United States originally came up with the fiction, and several studios in and around the Philippines helped animate the cartoon, while Sunbow wrote the fiction. Japan saw the hubbub going on there and cut short the rebranding of the Diaclone line in favor of the Transformers. Therefore, G1 aired in America in 1984, while in Japan it aired in 1985. How can you not get that?
This has nothing to do with what the immature TF Wiki says! Just because you grew up with Hasblow doesn't mean they did it all! And by the looks of it, your gold is starting to rust! PERIOD! :-x


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Re: Hasbro Transformers Prime Frenzy Test Shot

Postby XDMan » Tue Dec 25, 2012 4:30 pm

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Dude. I was being sarcastic.

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Re: Hasbro Transformers Prime Frenzy Test Shot

Postby King Kuuga » Tue Dec 25, 2012 5:16 pm

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I'm not sure if you're a really good troll or you honestly believe this, but either way it seems pretty obvious none of us is going to convince the other, so let's all drop it. Merry Christmas! Maybe Hasbro Claus will see how much the fandom wants a Frenzy and put it in Beast Hunters.
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Re: Hasbro Transformers Prime Frenzy Test Shot

Postby RAcast » Tue Dec 25, 2012 5:26 pm

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Re: Hasbro Transformers Prime Frenzy Test Shot

Postby PrymeStriker » Tue Dec 25, 2012 7:09 pm

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I'd like a stateside release of Frenzy, but not in Beast Hunters. >:oP
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Re: Hasbro Transformers Prime Frenzy Test Shot

Postby King Kuuga » Tue Dec 25, 2012 7:29 pm

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Well considering that Prime RID is effectively over with the possible exception of Voyager Skyquake, it's kinda gonna have to be Beast Hunters if it happens at all.
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Re: Hasbro Transformers Prime Frenzy Test Shot

Postby Sabrblade » Tue Dec 25, 2012 7:36 pm

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Kid, you're either trolling or fantasizing. Pick one. :P

But seriously, if you honestly believe the Transformers brand didn't originate from Hasbro, then you're gonna have to provide sources and facts to support your claims. Otherwise, everything's stacked against your favor.

I could easily cite a source that isn't TFWiki or any fan-based source that says Hasbro created the brand. Take the 2004 Transformers: The Ultimate Guide book, written by longtime Transformers author Simon Furman himself, for example:

Page 6, "Introduction", Paragraph 3, Lines 13-18:
The TRANSFORMERS line was initially modeled on existing molds and characters from Takara, a major Japanese toy manufacturer, reissues under license by Hasbro in the United States and elsewhere. Hasbro developed the larger concepts, including character names and biographies, in collaboration with the U.S. comic publisher, Marvel (and in particular writer/editor Bob Budiansky), paving the way for a comic book and animated TV show, both of which proved hugely popular.

Page 40, "US Comics 1 - The Mighty World of Marvel", Paragraph 1, Lines 1-9:
BACK IN 1983, after the success of the G.I. Joe toy line and its comic book incarnation, toy giant Hasbro turned again to the hallowed halls of Marvel Comics in New York as they prepared to launch TRANSFORMERS. Marvel revolutionized the comics business in the 1960s with characters like Spider-Man, the Incredible Hulk, and the Fantastic Four. Writer and editor Bob Budiansky undertook the massive task of ascribing names and identities to a range of largely unlabeled toys. Budiansky laid much the groundwork for the toyline, TV show and, inevitably, the comic book.

Page 62, "Japanese G1 Toys - East Meets West Metts East Meets...", Paragraph 1, Lines 1-17:
THE FORTUNES AND histories of two toy companies, one American, one Japanese were intricately interwoven in the creation of the TRANSFORMERS toy line. In the early 1970s, US toy manufacturer Hasbro licensed its line of G.i. Joe action figures to Japanese toy giant Takara. Motivated by the popularity in Japan of robot figures, Takara turned the G.i. Joe mold into a transparent cyborg figure. This was scaled down to become the Micronman lione, and then the revolutionary transfoming Diaclone "Car Robot" series. Finally, in the early 1980s, Takara released its New Microman line (with its Microchange subseries), adding the further refinement of robots that transformed into non-car modes. At which point, Hasbro stepped in again...

Page 64, "Generation 1 Toys - Diaclone And Microman--TRANSFORM!", Paragraph 1, Lines 1-17:
IN 1984, the toy giant Hasbro secured the rights to Takara's combining-toy concepts, unifying their Diaclone and Microman lines into one cohesive brand: TRANSFORMERS. The tiny human pilots that sat in Daiclone's original toys were gone, and the toys were now divided into two groups: ground vehicles and airborne craft (plus handheld objects and weapons). Hasbro worked with writers at Marvel Comcis (see pages 40-43) to flesh out the background mythology to the saga, pitting the heroic Autobots against the evil Decepticons. Toys came complete with glossy pack art, a motto, and "tech specs" detailing each characters personality, strengths, and weaknesses.

Cited and sourced. :-B

The only things Hasbro didn't create in the beginning were the original toy molds, which were only personality-less Diaclone and Micro Change toys before Hasbro got a hold of them and gave them life as the Transformers. Takara saw potential in these American versions and dropped both the Diaclone and Micro Change line in favor of re-importing the Transformers line from America to Japan in 1985.
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Re: Hasbro Transformers Prime Frenzy Test Shot

Postby Mindmaster » Tue Dec 25, 2012 7:41 pm

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XDMan wrote:This has nothing to do with what the immature TF Wiki says! Just because you grew up with Hasblow doesn't mean they did it all! And by the looks of it, your gold is starting to rust! PERIOD! :-x
Kid, you're either trolling or fantasizing. Pick one. :P

But seriously, if you honestly believe the Transformers brand didn't originate from Hasbro, then you're gonna have to provide sources and facts to support your claims. Otherwise, everything's stacked against your favor.

I could easily cite a source that isn't TFWiki or any fan-based source that says Hasbro created the brand. Take the 2004 Transformers: The Ultimate Guide book, written by longtime Transformers author Simon Furman himself, for example:

Page 6, "Introduction", Paragraph 3, Lines 13-18:
The TRANSFORMERS line was initially modeled on existing molds and characters from Takara, a major Japanese toy manufacturer, reissues under license by Hasbro in the United States and elsewhere. Hasbro developed the larger concepts, including character names and biographies, in collaboration with the U.S. comic publisher, Marvel (and in particular writer/editor Bob Budiansky), paving the way for a comic book and animated TV show, both of which proved hugely popular.

Page 40, "US Comics 1 - The Mighty World of Marvel", Paragraph 1, Lines 1-9:
BACK IN 1983, after the success of the G.I. Joe toy line and its comic book incarnation, toy giant Hasbro turned again to the hallowed halls of Marvel Comics in New York as they prepared to launch TRANSFORMERS. Marvel revolutionized the comics business in the 1960s with characters like Spider-Man, the Incredible Hulk, and the Fantastic Four. Writer and editor Bob Budiansky undertook the massive task of ascribing names and identities to a range of largely unlabeled toys. Budiansky laid much the groundwork for the toyline, TV show and, inevitably, the comic book.

Cited and sourced. :-B

The only things Hasbro didn't create in the beginning were the original toy molds, which were only personality-less Diaclone and Micro Change toys before Hasbro got a hold of them and gave them life as the Transformers. Takara saw potential in these American versions and dropped both the Diaclone and Micro Change line in favor of re-importing the Transformers line from America to Japan in 1985.


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Re: Hasbro Transformers Prime Frenzy Test Shot

Postby Sabrblade » Tue Dec 25, 2012 7:56 pm

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Re: Hasbro Transformers Prime Frenzy Test Shot

Postby PrymeStriker » Tue Dec 25, 2012 9:05 pm

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OR it could happen in the next Prime line. Who said Beast Hunters was the end of Transformers Prime?
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Re: Hasbro Transformers Prime Frenzy Test Shot

Postby King Kuuga » Tue Dec 25, 2012 9:23 pm

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I suppose there's that possibility, but I'd rather it happen sooner than later.
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Re: Hasbro Transformers Prime Frenzy Test Shot

Postby PrymeStriker » Tue Dec 25, 2012 9:53 pm

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My only dilemma about releasing those figures in Beast Hunters is that I'd like to reserve slots in this line for characters that are in the show. I'd rather not let them introduce a ton of new characters in season three, which they told us they were doing, and have to wait for the next line to complete the cast.

They want to get all the in-show characters out as toys. Well, do that now and save the extra guys for later.
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Re: Hasbro Transformers Prime Frenzy Test Shot

Postby King Kuuga » Tue Dec 25, 2012 10:04 pm

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I understand your concern. We'll see how things play out.
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