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Dead Metal wrote:My friends I went to go see it with, who have no idea of Transformers and keep asking me questions about meaningless crap in these films, they didn't see robot heaven. They saw a vision of the dead Primes Sam had.

sorry, I just dont believe you, largely because you said they kept asking questions about "stupid stuff".

Yes, people would view the dead Primes as angels, if they had the memory of a goldfish and forgot about the many times they where brought up and shown in the movie up to that point.

I have no idea what point your trying to make here.No mater how many times they mentioned a down/upload from the alspark, that vision lacked any sign of the technological and looked far to spiritual.

Also I replied to your post, which to me, sounded like you questioned the thing about Sam having the knowledge of the Allspark. Upon reading the full post again, I see that you questioned the vision being a vision.

no, I didnt question any of it.I considered the possibility it was an allspark vision right from the start.

What I'm saying is that they failed to presented it that way.The scene was, visually, far to vague and open to interpretation.

SlyTF1 wrote:And if that wasn't enough, the Primes said that Optimus was their last descendent in the same scene.

and what message do you think that delivered to the lay person?

lets evaluate what was seen on screen in the segment,

boy running for his life, explosions everywhere, boy get seriously injured, soljers work despratly to save boys life.

We see them stop trying, they all see to say, he's dead.............and then we see a heavenly landscape, clouds and clear blue skys......theres a surreal aspect to what we are viewing.

Then we see the Primes.........the primes said early to be dead for thousands of years, they speak of things beyond basic understanding, they impart great wisdom and knowledge on the boy,tell him it was always his destiny to find a "holy" like sacred item, they tell the boy how to return life to an other.......

and then send him back to the real world.

It looks and sounds like a holy myth and a heaven story.

Burn wrote:I can't believe even this thread has devolved into "let's pick apart the flaws of the TF movies".

sorry, that wasnt my intent.Its just the idea that the film was clear on what it was trying to depict is the true absurdity here.

Burn wrote:I can't believe even this thread has devolved into "let's pick apart the flaws of the TF movies".

Yeah, it's not like I mentioned a few of them in the OP or anything

cotss2012 wrote:

Burn wrote:I can't believe even this thread has devolved into "let's pick apart the flaws of the TF movies".

Yeah, it's not like I mentioned a few of them in the OP or anything

Yes but you were also discussing "Cars", and some where along the line that disappeared and became nothing more than another thread to take apart the Bay movies. Because we can never have enough of them apparently.

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

SlyTF1 wrote:And if that wasn't enough, the Primes said that Optimus was their last descendent in the same scene.

and what message do you think that delivered to the lay person?

lets evaluate what was seen on screen in the segment,

boy running for his life, explosions everywhere, boy get seriously injured, soljers work despratly to save boys life.

We see them stop trying, they all see to say, he's dead.............and then we see a heavenly landscape, clouds and clear blue skys......theres a surreal aspect to what we are viewing.

Then we see the Primes.........the primes said early to be dead for thousands of years, they speak of things beyond basic understanding, they impart great wisdom and knowledge on the boy,tell him it was always his destiny to find a "holy" like sacred item, they tell the boy how to return life to an other.......

and then send him back to the real world.

It looks and sounds like a holy myth and a heaven story.

I still don't see the problem with that...

SlyTF1 wrote:I still don't see the problem with that...

I'll try to mke this really short.

the problem lies between what they intended and what they depicted.

They may have wanted it to look like as vision due to a upload/download from the alspark, but it looked like a boy went to robot heaven and spoke to angles/gods/ghosts.

Its just not stupid or an absurdity to view it as it was depicted.

Burn wrote:

cotss2012 wrote:

Burn wrote:I can't believe even this thread has devolved into "let's pick apart the flaws of the TF movies".

Yeah, it's not like I mentioned a few of them in the OP or anything

Yes but you were also discussing "Cars", and some where along the line that disappeared and became nothing more than another thread to take apart the Bay movies. Because we can never have enough of them apparently.

...Once you pop...

RhA wrote:...Once you pop...

It's so very true.

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

Dead Metal wrote:My friends I went to go see it with, who have no idea of Transformers and keep asking me questions about meaningless crap in these films, they didn't see robot heaven. They saw a vision of the dead Primes Sam had.

sorry, I just dont believe you, largely because you said they kept asking questions about "stupid stuff".

Yes, people would view the dead Primes as angels, if they had the memory of a goldfish and forgot about the many times they where brought up and shown in the movie up to that point.

I have no idea what point your trying to make here.No mater how many times they mentioned a down/upload from the alspark, that vision lacked any sign of the technological and looked far to spiritual.

Also I replied to your post, which to me, sounded like you questioned the thing about Sam having the knowledge of the Allspark. Upon reading the full post again, I see that you questioned the vision being a vision.

no, I didnt question any of it.I considered the possibility it was an allspark vision right from the start.

What I'm saying is that they failed to presented it that way.The scene was, visually, far to vague and open to interpretation.

Examples of stupid questions:
Who's that silver car?
Who does that red guy have no legs?
Who are those guys that turn into the icecream truck?
Is that Jetfire guy from the cartoons?
Why is that scorpion alive again?
What is that cube?
Is Optimus going to stay dead?
Is that yellow car Hot-Shot?
Why can't the yellow car talk?
Who's that small robot?
Whoa, that thin sharp guy is awesome, what's his name and what does he do?
Also, I'm not going to discuss this any further with you, since you just shut out everything someone else says and you don't agree with.
And I'm sick of that.

Also lets get this thread back on topic of how awesome the movie Cars is, who's up for a 3rd Cars movie?