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cotss2012 wrote:

Shadowman wrote:Is this going to be a theme? You just complaining about everything you don't like on here? Because I can't recall one post of yours so far that has been positive about the subject matter.

I have repeatedly mentioned that TF Prime is awesome.

SlyTF1 wrote:This "robot heaven" is called the Well of Allsparks. Sam didn't go to the Well.

Funny how that wasn't actually mentioned in the movie.

Neither was Robot Heaven, and I don't think the Nostalgia Critic is the Authority of Transformers Mythos.

SlyTF1 wrote:

cotss2012 wrote:The Bayformers movies are stupid, but they're stupid in completely original ways. I have never, in all my years of movie-watching, seen a movie in which a human dies and goes to Robot Heaven, and all of the giant angel robots bring him back to life because he earned the key to a sun-destroying machine through his courage or whatever. It's stupid, but it's an awesome kind of stupid that I've never seen before.

First of all, I'm sick and damn tired of TF fans playing stupid to magnify the absurdity of a simple moment. This "robot heaven" is called the Well of Allsparks. Sam didn't go to the Well. All the knowledge from the Allspark that had embedded itself in Sam's brain, which held the collective wisdom of the first 13 (or 7)produced a VISION in his damn brain. What the Primes knew was in HIS HEAD. And apparently he began to understand what the Allspark was trying to tell him all along, damnit!

that might be your interpretation of those scenes, and it might be what the film makers intended...................but if that is the case, they did a very poor job of conveying that message on film.

Evil_the_Nub wrote:

cotss2012 wrote:

SlyTF1 wrote:This "robot heaven" is called the Well of Allsparks. Sam didn't go to the Well.

Funny how that wasn't actually mentioned in the movie.

Neither was Robot Heaven,

it may not have been mentioned, but a robot heaven is the image they presented.

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

SlyTF1 wrote:

cotss2012 wrote:The Bayformers movies are stupid, but they're stupid in completely original ways. I have never, in all my years of movie-watching, seen a movie in which a human dies and goes to Robot Heaven, and all of the giant angel robots bring him back to life because he earned the key to a sun-destroying machine through his courage or whatever. It's stupid, but it's an awesome kind of stupid that I've never seen before.

First of all, I'm sick and damn tired of TF fans playing stupid to magnify the absurdity of a simple moment. This "robot heaven" is called the Well of Allsparks. Sam didn't go to the Well. All the knowledge from the Allspark that had embedded itself in Sam's brain, which held the collective wisdom of the first 13 (or 7)produced a VISION in his damn brain. What the Primes knew was in HIS HEAD. And apparently he began to understand what the Allspark was trying to tell him all along, damnit!

that might be your interpretation of those scenes, and it might be what the film makers intended...................but if that is the case, they did a very poor job of conveying that message on film.

The Fallen, Megatron, and the Doctor/Scalpel all said that the knowledge of the Allspark was embedded in Sams brain, they even try to cut his brain out of his head to get to it.

Dead Metal wrote:The Fallen, Megatron, and the Doctor/Scalpel all said that the knowledge of the Allspark was embedded in Sams brain...

...which has jack all to do with dying, going to heaven, and finding a bunch of robot angels waiting for you.

cotss2012 wrote:

Dead Metal wrote:The Fallen, Megatron, and the Doctor/Scalpel all said that the knowledge of the Allspark was embedded in Sams brain...

...which has jack all to do with dying, going to heaven, and finding a bunch of robot angels waiting for you.

Except that after death your brain stays active for a few moments, and keeping in mind that "robot heaven" is the Allspark, which was in his head at the time, he was you know in his own mind.
Also those weren't Angels, but the Primes, which I'm sure you're familiar with.

Dead Metal wrote:The Fallen, Megatron, and the Doctor/Scalpel all said that the knowledge of the Allspark was embedded in Sams brain, they even try to cut his brain out of his head to get to it.

I really dont see how that counters what I said.

the place Sam went when he died appeared to be a ROBOT HEAVEN, its how they depicted it.

sure, some of us long term fans can see past that and see their possible intent because we have a greater understanding of the tf myth, but the lay person ising going to see that.

the lay person saw robot heaven, .

Dead Metal wrote:Except that after death your brain stays active for a few moments, and keeping in mind that "robot heaven" is the Allspark, which was in his head at the time, he was you know in his own mind.
Also those weren't Angels, but the Primes, which I'm sure you're familiar with.

which wasnt presented any differently from the "all so many" outer body experiences and white tunnel images that we have seen in so many tv shows and movies.

And in depiction a robot heaven,the long dead Primes would have been viewed as angles,gods or ghosts.

I'll say again, if they intended that as a "allspark vision", they did an extremely poor job of conveying that message on film.

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

Dead Metal wrote:The Fallen, Megatron, and the Doctor/Scalpel all said that the knowledge of the Allspark was embedded in Sams brain, they even try to cut his brain out of his head to get to it.

I really dont see how that counters what I said.

the place Sam went when he died appeared to be a ROBOT HEAVEN, its how they depicted it.

sure, some of us long term fans can see past that and see their possible intent because we have a greater understanding of the tf myth, but the lay person ising going to see that.

the lay person saw robot heaven, .

My friends I went to go see it with, who have no idea of Transformers and keep asking me questions about meaningless crap in these films, they didn't see robot heaven. They saw a vision of the dead Primes Sam had.

Dead Metal wrote:Except that after death your brain stays active for a few moments, and keeping in mind that "robot heaven" is the Allspark, which was in his head at the time, he was you know in his own mind.
Also those weren't Angels, but the Primes, which I'm sure you're familiar with.

which wasnt presented any differently from the "all so many" outer body experiences and white tunnel images that we have seen in so many tv shows and movies.

And in depiction a robot heaven,the long dead Primes would have been viewed as angles,gods or ghosts.

I'll say again, if they intended that as a "allspark vision", they did an extremely poor job of conveying that message on film.

Yes, people would view the dead Primes as angels, if they had the memory of a goldfish and forgot about the many times they where brought up and shown in the movie up to that point.

Also I replied to your post, which to me, sounded like you questioned the thing about Sam having the knowledge of the Allspark. Upon reading the full post again, I see that you questioned the vision being a vision.

Dead Metal wrote:

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

Dead Metal wrote:The Fallen, Megatron, and the Doctor/Scalpel all said that the knowledge of the Allspark was embedded in Sams brain, they even try to cut his brain out of his head to get to it.

I really dont see how that counters what I said.

the place Sam went when he died appeared to be a ROBOT HEAVEN, its how they depicted it.

sure, some of us long term fans can see past that and see their possible intent because we have a greater understanding of the tf myth, but the lay person ising going to see that.

the lay person saw robot heaven, .

My friends I went to go see it with, who have no idea of Transformers and keep asking me questions about meaningless crap in these films, they didn't see robot heaven. They saw a vision of the dead Primes Sam had.

Dead Metal wrote:Except that after death your brain stays active for a few moments, and keeping in mind that "robot heaven" is the Allspark, which was in his head at the time, he was you know in his own mind.
Also those weren't Angels, but the Primes, which I'm sure you're familiar with.

which wasnt presented any differently from the "all so many" outer body experiences and white tunnel images that we have seen in so many tv shows and movies.

And in depiction a robot heaven,the long dead Primes would have been viewed as angles,gods or ghosts.

I'll say again, if they intended that as a "allspark vision", they did an extremely poor job of conveying that message on film.

Yes, people would view the dead Primes as angels, if they had the memory of a goldfish and forgot about the many times they where brought up and shown in the movie up to that point.

And if that wasn't enough, the Primes said that Optimus was their last descendent in the same scene.

I can't believe even this thread has devolved into "let's pick apart the flaws of the TF movies".