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Postby TM TM2 Dinobot » Mon Oct 23, 2006 9:26 am

Sorry about your problems. Sorry your life is going to Hell in a handbasket right now. Heck, I'm even sorry for the new movie comming out.

But keep your political views off the front page.

This is a fan site. We're friends here. this is about making crappy toys better. this is an escape from politics and every day life. We don't need to be reminded of that kinda crap when come here.

Besides, some of us (including myself) have served in our country's military. You don't speak for me. I hold a total 180* view to yours.

I say this lovingly as a friend and as a fan. I know you've got crap going on right now. You can feel that way, that's your right garanteeded by this great country. I know a lot of people agree with you. That's fine.

But when you post political commentarys on the front page as a site admin, you speak not for yourself, but for the site. And that's not cool man.

Ya wana glitch, fine. Do it on the fourms in a thread designated for political moaning, so those of us that don't agree/don't wana see can stay out of it. It's only a paragraph, go back and take it out.

This isn't a rant. This is a genuine concern. I know people don't agree with me, but I felt I had to say something.

Like I said man. You have a right to an opinion. But you can't slap it on the front page like that. Again, I say this out of friendship, kindness and concern. :D

Cheers

--TM2

EDIT: Like I said, this isn't a rant and I wasn't trying to incour a flame war. I just felt like I needed to voice my feeling on the matter. Perhaps I should have done this through PM or somethign else. It is your site however and you can do what you want. Just be mindful of others and your professional image.
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Postby tentagil » Thu Oct 26, 2006 4:10 pm

Nothing against you TM2 Dinobot, but its his site, he can in fact post whatever he wants to on the front page. He owns the domain, he pays the server cost, as long as its not illegal he has the right to post whatever he likes and he gives you the privilege of coming here and posting.

Me, I'm currently in the military, have been for 8 years, grew up with military parents, uncles, grandparents, its my life for the most part. And I don't like the President. I follow the orders of those appointed over me as I swore to do, but I'm allowed to have an opinion and thats mine. TFmaster has his and regardless of if you agree with him he's allowed to speak his mind.

And as you said its only a paragraph, you can not read it if you like, you can skip it with ease, no need to censor his speech just so you can avoid something you don't agree with.
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Postby Seibertron » Fri Oct 27, 2006 12:14 pm

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Part of what makes a website unique is when there are some personal views thrown in. Love them or hate them, Fox News [sarcasm]"No Spin Zone"[/sarcasm] is part of the appeal to some people about that network because they spin the news to a more conservative viewpoint essentially to appeal more to conservative viewers. That's also why a lot of people don't like Fox News because they do this spin.

In the past, I've expressed several of my opinions through SEIBERTRON.com with my site's association with Rock The Vote during the last presidential election, various sports teams such as the Cubs, Tigers, Bears (etc.), theoretically the Before Carly section, and even my viewpoint regarding the face of movie Megatron despite cries that I should keep my opinions off the "official" parts of SEIBERTRON.com. I like to think that by expressing my opinions from time to time that it gives SEIBERTRON.com a little bit more of a unique or entertaining appeal to people that have similar interests or viewpoints as I do.

When you have stock holders or other people who have financially invested in a company or organization, then that's when an owner needs to be mindful that the views expressed are more inline with that of everyone who has invested. That's not happening here or on my site so if TFmaster wants to express his views via the website that he owns, then I say more power to him.
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Postby TFmaster » Fri Oct 27, 2006 1:48 pm

Let me say this bluntly.

**** you.

I made my own comments because just like you I have the right to have my own opinion.Same as why you wrote this thread. You don't like it then that's your choice to be on an opposite postition on the matter. But to tell me, on my own site, that I can't speak my own mind? That is wrong...

People can agree or disagree with me on the matter to their own accord but to tell me that I can't voice my own opinion is just like the people out there trying to silance people that speak what they feel for swaying an outcome that would be in their favor and my in my opposing veiw.

And to call me out, outright, and tell me I'm wrong for having a opinion and tell me where and when I can say what I feel in this kind of public matter just makes you a hypocrite. And I'm not ganna ban you for speaking you mind but I will say that you have no right to tell me how to speak mine.

**** off and enjoy your safe little world why I live in mine and deal with my own trouble in my own matter and way.

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Postby TFmaster » Fri Oct 27, 2006 2:10 pm

Let me also say that a "Professional image" isn't and never has been or will be what I am about. It takes away the heart of the human being when all we do is think of things in a professional matter.

And what's next? Just because I use the word "Donut" and make the accasional spelling error that makes me ignorant?

You and people like you serve, fight and die for a country where the soul foundation is Freedom and that includes unpopular speach. Larry Flint didn't bend over for anyone and I'm not about to do that for you.

He used his political stand points on his own properties and was told what he can or can;t say as well as what he can or can't show.

This also reminds me of the CRAP people got for the first couple years after 9/11 about showing images of the still ane fine looking Twin Towers and the images of the ruin that it became and it's cause. For fear that it'll remind people and hurt them...

**** that!!! I say we NEED to remember. I dn't agree with WAR. PERIOD. In any forms...even in the Transformers universe but I also undrstand why people Ultimately fight these wars and it's not to be silance from what "YOU" rather not hear because you don't agree with it.

I'll be hounest, I want to BAN you. I want to silance you. But i'm not going to because that would make me no better and I'm sorry I'm not ganna be "THAT" person.

Common!!! I want to see more veiws apposing mine. That's another thing that I do love about this country. The right to hold public and political debates.

In the end all you are doing is proving the people like me right and you just don't understand that.

Be proud of what you do. Be proud that you served.

But don't be an **** and forget just why you served this country. If you did it for capital gain then that makes you even worse.

And EVERYTHING I say is MY OWN OPINION. People here know that and I in now way stated "Everyone at Transtopia feels like I do"

I ASKED, "Aren't you tired of it?" basicly in turn giving the people the FREEDOM to make up their own minds.

You didn't want a flame war but what did you exspect to happen when two sides have opposing veiws? IT always leads to war.

But I'll ask again. Don't you think it's gone on long enough? You think I'm just listening to the jackles and repeating what they say? I've watched the news and every freaking time OUR OWN PRESIDENT has gone on TV, with a much more wide audiance then this little site has I wager and that includes interupting COUNTLESS public TV shows to state his own opinion to hope he can sway the public veiw in support of what he's trying to do out there, and I'm wrong for making a front page post?

How about you follow your own advice and write them about what they are doing. ISn't that the exact same damn thing??

No.It isn't. While mine was one little parragraph he's on the TV for the better part of a half an hour if not more for each broadcast.

You seemed to be very deluted in how this whole "FREEDOM" things works. Maybe you should go and serve somemore and be riminded.

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Postby TM TM2 Dinobot » Sat Oct 28, 2006 8:27 pm

Thank you for taking the time to respond. I truly apreciate that.

I agree. I have a right to voice my opinion too, just like you. You're also right about that's why i said what I did. You are wrong however about me thinking you shouldn't have opinions. You should. it is your site, it is your page, you can say whatever you want. Does that mean I agree? no. same reason you dont agree with me. Do I think you should say that on the front page? no, i dont. However, that doesn't mean you CAN'T. I never said that. I wouldn't have, even if I agreeded. That's all I was saying.

Difference of opinion is how a democracy work. it's what our government (and others) was founded on. People should disagree, and explain calmy why. That's how it works. So that's what I did.

So, in short, I'm glad you said what you did. It allowed me to enact my rights and say what I thought, and you responded. That's cool man. We don't agree, but we can still work together.

Also, man, if you've got a problem with me, say something. Don't ban me. If you really want me gone, all you have to do is simply ask. I love this site, and that's why I'd walk away without a fight.

Anyways, sorry to make a toy site about polotics, but I felt I had to get that off my chest. :D
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Postby TFmaster » Sun Oct 29, 2006 2:40 am

Let me put it this way. That's not what this is about.

If I was ganna ban you then you would have been banned. Even if it's not POPULAR discussion it's intellectual discussion and that's what I value more.

I said nothing balently like our government is full of morons but that like everyone that goes through war, being in it or suffering from the after effects, felt that it really has gone on long enough.

And there is no way that everyone is ganna feel as I do and the thing we should all keep in mind is the choice and right to do so without negitivity just because it's a speach you personally rather not hear.

It's your right to hum instead of listen and argue a valid point.

But my point is the thing that makes this country great is our choice of how to use them as long as it doesn't harm anyone.

If you look closely back at your post, what you thought looked like suggestion sounded like demand.

I have no problem with any form of discussion but when you tell me in my OWN home that I welcome you all into that it's not right to say and feel as I do to whome I feel comforatble is worse then anything I could have said on the front page.

I even said that I wasn't political and that I should stop before i'm talking out my own ass because that's not what i'm about.

But I have the right to voice how I feel and why as I do. Not your right to tell me I can't.

I kept you because I do like you and those like you with your own mind to speak out powerfully as you do because it has meaning behind it. Not just profit. That I can respect.Thus why you're here. Sure, I could have just done it because I wasn't comfortable with your side of a discussion but it was the way you went about it. That makes it personal on a negitive level and if you notice as soon as something negitive comes my way I try to throw apon the positive because it's dark enough as it is in this world.

You and the fans give me something to beleive in and I. no matter where I go, will take the heart with me.

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Postby TM TM2 Dinobot » Sun Oct 29, 2006 1:49 pm

Well, I would like to apologize the you felt I was demanding something that I wasn't. I have, how do I say this? No tact. At all. None. And that's caused problems for me before, and defenitly will in the future. I am sorry for that, and that it insulted you. Like I said, it wasn't me intent at all.

I do enjoy the fact that we can differ yet still respect eachother. Expecially if we're talking about transformers.

I do stand by how I feel, even if you don't agree/understand. Sometimes it just comes out wrong.

And now back to the toys! :D
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Postby TFmaster » Sun Oct 29, 2006 1:57 pm

TM2 Dinobot wrote:Well, I would like to apologize the you felt I was demanding something that I wasn't. I have, how do I say this? No tact. At all. None. And that's caused problems for me before, and defenitly will in the future. I am sorry for that, and that it insulted you. Like I said, it wasn't me intent at all.

I do enjoy the fact that we can differ yet still respect eachother. Expecially if we're talking about transformers.

I do stand by how I feel, even if you don't agree/understand. Sometimes it just comes out wrong.

And now back to the toys! :D


See, we can have our differances but I wanted you here for them.

At the very least we can say with a sigh, "At least he's not Shade" :roll:

I'm ganna lock this topic now. I see no point to it going any further. We both made our points and that's the end of it.

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