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Re: how come?

Postby Shadowman » Mon Aug 29, 2011 12:18 am

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Evil_the_Nub wrote:The rail gun only shot his arm off causing him to fall down the side of the pyramid. As he fell he started to break apart, THAT is what killed him. His head came off and THEN his eyes go dark indicating he was dead.


That actually doesn't prove your point at all. It just proves that Devastator died while falling down the pyramid, not that the fall is what killed him. It wasn't what he was doing as he died, it was the serious wounds inflicted on him moments before that. Compare, say, Optimus dying in the 1986 movie. He died as he handed off the Matrix, but that's not what killed him; it was the wounds inflicted by Megatron.

You see where I'm going with this? Just because he fell as he died doesn't mean that's what killed him.
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Re: how come?

Postby Evil_the_Nub » Mon Aug 29, 2011 12:29 am

Motto: "Feel free to die when you've had enough."
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Evil_the_Nub wrote:The rail gun only shot his arm off causing him to fall down the side of the pyramid. As he fell he started to break apart, THAT is what killed him. His head came off and THEN his eyes go dark indicating he was dead.


That actually doesn't prove your point at all. It just proves that Devastator died while falling down the pyramid, not that the fall is what killed him. It wasn't what he was doing as he died, it was the serious wounds inflicted on him moments before that. Compare, say, Optimus dying in the 1986 movie. He died as he handed off the Matrix, but that's not what killed him; it was the wounds inflicted by Megatron.

You see where I'm going with this? Just because he fell as he died doesn't mean that's what killed him.

The rail gun only took his arm off, that alone isn't fatal. That's why I'm saying the fall killed him. He's big and that equals a lot of G force when he falls.
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Re: how come?

Postby Shadowman » Mon Aug 29, 2011 11:07 am

Motto: "May God have mercy on my enemies, because I sure as hell won't."
Evil_the_Nub wrote:
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Evil_the_Nub wrote:The rail gun only shot his arm off causing him to fall down the side of the pyramid. As he fell he started to break apart, THAT is what killed him. His head came off and THEN his eyes go dark indicating he was dead.


That actually doesn't prove your point at all. It just proves that Devastator died while falling down the pyramid, not that the fall is what killed him. It wasn't what he was doing as he died, it was the serious wounds inflicted on him moments before that. Compare, say, Optimus dying in the 1986 movie. He died as he handed off the Matrix, but that's not what killed him; it was the wounds inflicted by Megatron.

You see where I'm going with this? Just because he fell as he died doesn't mean that's what killed him.

The rail gun only took his arm off, that alone isn't fatal. That's why I'm saying the fall killed him. He's big and that equals a lot of G force when he falls.


Okay, you're being really silly now. So here you go, take a look at this screenshot. As you can see, the shot took off part of his chest as well.

Also, the g-force during freefall wouldn't be nearly enough to kill him, and, in fact, would be very negligible.
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Re: how come?

Postby Red 50 » Mon Aug 29, 2011 11:13 am

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Evil_the_Nub wrote:
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Evil_the_Nub wrote:The rail gun only shot his arm off causing him to fall down the side of the pyramid. As he fell he started to break apart, THAT is what killed him. His head came off and THEN his eyes go dark indicating he was dead.


That actually doesn't prove your point at all. It just proves that Devastator died while falling down the pyramid, not that the fall is what killed him. It wasn't what he was doing as he died, it was the serious wounds inflicted on him moments before that. Compare, say, Optimus dying in the 1986 movie. He died as he handed off the Matrix, but that's not what killed him; it was the wounds inflicted by Megatron.

You see where I'm going with this? Just because he fell as he died doesn't mean that's what killed him.

The rail gun only took his arm off, that alone isn't fatal. That's why I'm saying the fall killed him. He's big and that equals a lot of G force when he falls.


I dare to disagree. I don't think that the rail-gun shot just merely blasted his arm off. I think it damaged alot of his internal mechanisms and due to the force of it, also ripped the connections of his arm and threw him off balance, causing him to fall.

So my conclusion is that the shot by rail-gun was not fatal alone, but the whole factors caused by it proved fatal.

When you think about it, it makes sense.
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Re: how come?

Postby KingEmperor » Mon Aug 29, 2011 3:18 pm

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Didn't Devastator growl while he was falling? And if he was still alive after being shot, it wasn't the fall that killed him. It was the sudden few stops.
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Re: how come?

Postby Noideaforaname » Mon Aug 29, 2011 7:27 pm

Can a gesalt form itself actually "die?" I mean, obviously certain components can be killed and thus make combination impossible, but I'd think any components not directly hit/damaged (in this case at least Hightower, Rampage, Long Haul, that other dump truck, and the bulldozer-hand) wouldn't be outright killed. And, IIRC, the individual Cons pop off in the fall/landings. Granted I have no clue how deeply the Constructicons connect with each other, both physically and mentally. Toy-esque popping apart could be causing all sorts of trauma.
And Hasbro's further confusing things by making Devastator into some abstract entity that exists within the subconscious of a whole tribe of Decepticons, as opposed to a specific construction team's experimental heavy-duty tool.
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Re: how come?

Postby Evil_the_Nub » Mon Aug 29, 2011 7:57 pm

Motto: "Feel free to die when you've had enough."
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Red 50 wrote:
Evil_the_Nub wrote:
Shadowman wrote:
Evil_the_Nub wrote:The rail gun only shot his arm off causing him to fall down the side of the pyramid. As he fell he started to break apart, THAT is what killed him. His head came off and THEN his eyes go dark indicating he was dead.


That actually doesn't prove your point at all. It just proves that Devastator died while falling down the pyramid, not that the fall is what killed him. It wasn't what he was doing as he died, it was the serious wounds inflicted on him moments before that. Compare, say, Optimus dying in the 1986 movie. He died as he handed off the Matrix, but that's not what killed him; it was the wounds inflicted by Megatron.

You see where I'm going with this? Just because he fell as he died doesn't mean that's what killed him.

The rail gun only took his arm off, that alone isn't fatal. That's why I'm saying the fall killed him. He's big and that equals a lot of G force when he falls.


I dare to disagree. I don't think that the rail-gun shot just merely blasted his arm off. I think it damaged alot of his internal mechanisms and due to the force of it, also ripped the connections of his arm and threw him off balance, causing him to fall.

So my conclusion is that the shot by rail-gun was not fatal alone, but the whole factors caused by it proved fatal.

When you think about it, it makes sense.

That makes sense, it was a 1-2 punch situation.
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