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How could machines evolve on their own?

Postby JohnOfTardis67 » Wed Nov 09, 2011 8:41 am

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Ok maybe not a good topic and one of little interest but I have often wondered with the advent of the TF movies and such the question of origin. How could a race of machines like the autobots and decepticons have actually evolved on their own? or did they actually have an original creator whether that was mechanical or organic? Again that sort of brings in a whole 'chicken and egg" kind of situation too.

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Re: How could machines evolve on their own?

Postby mechabot » Wed Nov 09, 2011 9:13 am

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Primus "the god of transformers" created the cybertronian race known to most as the transformers.
howevere primus is also a robot and he is the planet cybertron.

Primus was created by an advanced organic alien race. he was meant to be a super space station.
but he became sentient due to his level of artificail intelligence. he was then left behind by those organic aliens... they likely became extinct. of maybe they were all killed of by their other super space station... the evil Unicron... the devil of transformers, and the brother of Primus... Unicron... the creator of the minicon race. designed to destroy primus.

so... trnaformers did not evolve on their own... they were built by other "God" robots.. who were built by a now extinct organic alein race.

much like the death star! of cousre it never became sentiant... or did it? Mwahaahha!
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Re: How could machines evolve on their own?

Postby JohnOfTardis67 » Wed Nov 09, 2011 7:11 pm

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mechabot wrote:Primus "the god of transformers" created the cybertronian race known to most as the transformers.
howevere primus is also a robot and he is the planet cybertron.

Primus was created by an advanced organic alien race. he was meant to be a super space station.
but he became sentient due to his level of artificail intelligence. he was then left behind by those organic aliens... they likely became extinct. of maybe they were all killed of by their other super space station... the evil Unicron... the devil of transformers, and the brother of Primus... Unicron... the creator of the minicon race. designed to destroy primus.

so... trnaformers did not evolve on their own... they were built by other "God" robots.. who were built by a now extinct organic alein race.

much like the death star! of cousre it never became sentiant... or did it? Mwahaahha!



I kind of knew about Primus and all that but didn't know the organics created Unicron. Why in the hell would they want to do that????

My post was more a discussion on "could a race of sentient machines evolve on their own?
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Re: How could machines evolve on their own?

Postby SlyTF1 » Wed Nov 09, 2011 7:57 pm

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Re: How could machines evolve on their own?

Postby JohnOfTardis67 » Wed Nov 09, 2011 8:18 pm

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SlyTF1 wrote:I like to think of Cybertronians as organic machines.



How so?

In DOTM when Optimus ripped Megatron in half red hydraulic fluid spurted out. I guess that could be symbolic as blood but how organic?
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Re: How could machines evolve on their own?

Postby dinogeist » Wed Nov 09, 2011 9:46 pm

mechabot wrote:Primus "the god of transformers" created the cybertronian race known to most as the transformers.
howevere primus is also a robot and he is the planet cybertron.

Primus was created by an advanced organic alien race. he was meant to be a super space station.
but he became sentient due to his level of artificail intelligence. he was then left behind by those organic aliens... they likely became extinct. of maybe they were all killed of by their other super space station... the evil Unicron... the devil of transformers, and the brother of Primus... Unicron... the creator of the minicon race. designed to destroy primus.

so... trnaformers did not evolve on their own... they were built by other "God" robots.. who were built by a now extinct organic alein race.

much like the death star! of cousre it never became sentiant... or did it? Mwahaahha!



Sir,where did you get this info from?? regarding organic beings creating both primus & unicron. then primus gaining sentinence because he became super smart.

Is this a fanfic of yours or something or someone elses fan fic??

According to the Simon Furman "ultimate guide" huge book. The "one" created both primus & unicron. unicron became evil because he was a imperfect being.

Mechabot,Please list your source info/material where you got this info you stated in your reply. because I never heard of it before. personally it sounds like un-official fanfic & not official info.
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Re: How could machines evolve on their own?

Postby Autobot032 » Wed Nov 09, 2011 9:47 pm

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JohnOfTardis67 wrote:
SlyTF1 wrote:I like to think of Cybertronians as organic machines.



How so?


This.

Autonomous robotic organisms is the phrase Prime used. None of that conveys organic. Other than their humanity and the fact that they're living, breathing creatures with souls.
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Re: How could machines evolve on their own?

Postby JetOptimus23 » Wed Nov 09, 2011 10:56 pm

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I thought we cleared the Transformer's origin's up by now? They were created by the god Primus, who was created by the existential entity The One. Unicron was also created by The One. That is the generally accepted origin story in the fandom, AllSpark notwithstanding.
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Re: How could machines evolve on their own?

Postby Autobot032 » Wed Nov 09, 2011 11:15 pm

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JetOptimus23 wrote:I thought we cleared the Transformer's origin's up by now? They were created by the god Primus, who was created by the existential entity The One. Unicron was also created by The One. That is the generally accepted origin story in the fandom, AllSpark notwithstanding.


I'll stick with the Allspark. Primus is played out in my world. I haven't geewunned in a long time.

EDIT: Dangit, where'd the rest of my post go?? =\ *sighs*

With Primus, the Allspark, all these continuities, it's just a mess to get one's head around anymore. With so many options and choices, I went with the Allspark, but I'm partial to the movieverse sooo...
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Re: How could machines evolve on their own?

Postby sto_vo_kor_2000 » Wed Nov 09, 2011 11:52 pm

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mechabot wrote:Primus "the god of transformers" created the cybertronian race known to most as the transformers.
howevere primus is also a robot and he is the planet cybertron.

Primus was created by an advanced organic alien race. he was meant to be a super space station.
but he became sentient due to his level of artificail intelligence. he was then left behind by those organic aliens... they likely became extinct. of maybe they were all killed of by their other super space station... the evil Unicron... the devil of transformers, and the brother of Primus... Unicron... the creator of the minicon race. designed to destroy primus.

so... trnaformers did not evolve on their own... they were built by other "God" robots.. who were built by a now extinct organic alein race.

much like the death star! of cousre it never became sentiant... or did it? Mwahaahha!

and you came by this info how?
as far as I know, none of it is official
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Re: How could machines evolve on their own?

Postby sto_vo_kor_2000 » Wed Nov 09, 2011 11:59 pm

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SlyTF1 wrote:I like to think of Cybertronians as organic machines.

that is how they were depicted in the films.
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Re: How could machines evolve on their own?

Postby mechabot » Thu Nov 10, 2011 7:01 am

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for those of you who don't understand how I figured my thoery...

I came to this conculsion simply based on what i've learned from every TF storyline.
if you followed the unicron series, armada/energon/cyberton, they do speak of Primus, and the allspark... which most likly is what gave Primus his sentiance... and the allaprk was created by an unknown being, it seems like, this being mya have been an entire race of organic lifefroms.
becuase, it would take alot the created the allspark, of course the allspark can trun machines into robots, but it needs a machine first, then it turns that machine inot a robot.

for example.

Sports car + the allspark's powers = a new transformer.
the allspark cannot created life with out a mechanical source to build from... if it was what created primus, then someone else would have to create the mechanicl planet cybertron, and the allsaprk would have brought it to life as primus, who in turn creatred the first cybertornians.

I beileve the first where called the primes, and the're were I think 13 of them inculding the traitor known as the fallen.

also, unicron propbally made other robots besides the minicons, although I haven't been entirly certain who he created. I know he turned megatron into galvatron. so he's all the powers primus has, plus as we all know he can eat planets. I thought everyone knew that Pimus and Unicron are brothers? and that they created various transformers, designed to serve a followers.

asa for the moivies... I don't like all the changes to the storyline they made.

G1, and the unicron series are the best sources of info for thing like this, not the live action movies.
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Re: How could machines evolve on their own?

Postby Rodimus Prime » Thu Nov 10, 2011 7:30 am

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sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:
mechabot wrote:Primus "the god of transformers" created the cybertronian race known to most as the transformers.
howevere primus is also a robot and he is the planet cybertron.

Primus was created by an advanced organic alien race. he was meant to be a super space station.
but he became sentient due to his level of artificail intelligence. he was then left behind by those organic aliens... they likely became extinct. of maybe they were all killed of by their other super space station... the evil Unicron... the devil of transformers, and the brother of Primus... Unicron... the creator of the minicon race. designed to destroy primus.

so... trnaformers did not evolve on their own... they were built by other "God" robots.. who were built by a now extinct organic alein race.

much like the death star! of cousre it never became sentiant... or did it? Mwahaahha!

and you came by this info how?
as far as I know, none of it is official


Yeah, I've never heard of this either. I am partial to Primus being the original creator of the Transformers after his battle with Unicron caused them to be imprisoned in separate asteroids which eventually became their bodies. Unicron chose to turn his into a transforming body, 1 living entity, whereas Primus chose to give up his singularity and live through a race of beings he created, the Transformers. His essence is still at the core of Cybertron, but he can no longer act as an individual like Unicron. Mind you, this is all from the G1 comics, which I prefer to be the origin story. I know in Cybertron/Galaxy Force it's different. To each his/her own.
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Re: How could machines evolve on their own?

Postby MightyMagnus78 » Thu Nov 10, 2011 9:16 am

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I always felt the G1 cartoon continuity was the more logical origin for the Transformers. Having been originally created by the Quintesson's, then later developing thier own consciousness over millions of years.
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Re: How could machines evolve on their own?

Postby SirSoundwaveIV » Thu Nov 10, 2011 9:26 am

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I generally think of the All Spark being something Primus created to continue creating new cybertronian life while he slumbered.
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Re: How could machines evolve on their own?

Postby sto_vo_kor_2000 » Thu Nov 10, 2011 12:53 pm

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mechabot wrote:for those of you who don't understand how I figured my thoery...


the problem is you presented your theory as if it was a FACT.As if there was an official story.

But hey, not a bad little fanfic :D
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Re: How could machines evolve on their own?

Postby Flakmaster » Thu Nov 10, 2011 12:53 pm

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I'm a more religious person myself, and I prefer the G1 Comic book version of the Transformer creation.

And to answer OP's question, the Allspark created the Movie TF's. Whether or not it was instantaneous or a slow process is unknown to me, but the Allspark did it.

For most other continuities, it was either some Primus-like entity or Quintessons.
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Re: How could machines evolve on their own?

Postby Shadowman » Thu Nov 10, 2011 1:28 pm

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mechabot wrote:Primus "the god of transformers" created the cybertronian race known to most as the transformers.
howevere primus is also a robot and he is the planet cybertron.

Primus was created by an advanced organic alien race. he was meant to be a super space station.
but he became sentient due to his level of artificail intelligence. he was then left behind by those organic aliens... they likely became extinct. of maybe they were all killed of by their other super space station... the evil Unicron... the devil of transformers, and the brother of Primus... Unicron... the creator of the minicon race. designed to destroy primus.

so... trnaformers did not evolve on their own... they were built by other "God" robots.. who were built by a now extinct organic alein race.

much like the death star! of cousre it never became sentiant... or did it? Mwahaahha!


Wrong-o. Primus and Unicron were created by a God-like being (Or perhaps just God Himself) called The One, to explore what was, at the time, this crazy new thing called The Universe. Primus noticed that Unicron was doing a pretty poor job of it, in that Unicron was destroying and corrupting everything. Then the rest of the origin story happened.

And to answer the original question of how machines could evolve on their own: For a race of being with an easily modifiable nature, very easily. It's all a matter of intelligence and innovation. That said, there's no reason to believe the Transformers evolved, considering that, unlike Creation vs. Evolution for humans, we've actually seen how the Transformers came to be. Further compounded by the idea that there's 13 Adams (Well, 12 Adams and one Eve, but still) running around most of the time.
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Re: How could machines evolve on their own?

Postby Autobot032 » Thu Nov 10, 2011 1:37 pm

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SirSoundwaveIV wrote:I generally think of the All Spark being something Primus created to continue creating new cybertronian life while he slumbered.


That's...not bad. Yeah, I could get behind that idea. :BOWDOWN:
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Re: How could machines evolve on their own?

Postby JohnOfTardis67 » Thu Nov 10, 2011 6:17 pm

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JetOptimus23 wrote:I thought we cleared the Transformer's origin's up by now? They were created by the god Primus, who was created by the existential entity The One. Unicron was also created by The One. That is the generally accepted origin story in the fandom, AllSpark notwithstanding.


I'll stick with the Allspark. Primus is played out in my world. I haven't geewunned in a long time.

EDIT: Dangit, where'd the rest of my post go?? =\ *sighs*

With Primus, the Allspark, all these continuities, it's just a mess to get one's head around anymore. With so many options and choices, I went with the Allspark, but I'm partial to the movieverse sooo...



But which Allspark is this? Is this the same one that we see in the movies?

Also on that why is it that all he robots the Allspark created in the movie tended to be on the slightly evil side? How did that distinction of good and evil transformers happen? I'm just going by what we saw in the movies.
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Re: How could machines evolve on their own?

Postby sto_vo_kor_2000 » Thu Nov 10, 2011 7:51 pm

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JohnOfTardis67 wrote:Also on that why is it that all he robots the Allspark created in the movie tended to be on the slightly evil side? How did that distinction of good and evil transformers happen? I'm just going by what we saw in the movies.

I never really saw them as evil, just confused and acting out, like a crying baby.
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Re: How could machines evolve on their own?

Postby JetOptimus23 » Thu Nov 10, 2011 8:33 pm

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sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:
JohnOfTardis67 wrote:Also on that why is it that all he robots the Allspark created in the movie tended to be on the slightly evil side? How did that distinction of good and evil transformers happen? I'm just going by what we saw in the movies.

I never really saw them as evil, just confused and acting out, like a crying baby.


Yeah. They did that stuff because they were new life and didn't know any better.

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SirSoundwaveIV wrote:I generally think of the All Spark being something Primus created to continue creating new cybertronian life while he slumbered.


That's...not bad. Yeah, I could get behind that idea. :BOWDOWN:


Indeed. That sounds pretty logical.
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Re: How could machines evolve on their own?

Postby Shadowman » Thu Nov 10, 2011 9:24 pm

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JohnOfTardis67 wrote:Also on that why is it that all he robots the Allspark created in the movie tended to be on the slightly evil side? How did that distinction of good and evil transformers happen? I'm just going by what we saw in the movies.

I never really saw them as evil, just confused and acting out, like a crying baby.


That, and Simmons said that all our technology is reverse engineered from Megatron.
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Re: How could machines evolve on their own?

Postby JohnOfTardis67 » Thu Nov 10, 2011 10:06 pm

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sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:
JohnOfTardis67 wrote:Also on that why is it that all he robots the Allspark created in the movie tended to be on the slightly evil side? How did that distinction of good and evil transformers happen? I'm just going by what we saw in the movies.

I never really saw them as evil, just confused and acting out, like a crying baby.


That, and Simmons said that all our technology is reverse engineered from Megatron.


What did they pull Megatron apart? Gee smart move putting it back together then. But in the story context it is fascinating to learn all our tech came from Megatron. Would that include microchips? I wonder where they found those inside Megs?
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Re: How could machines evolve on their own?

Postby dinogeist » Thu Nov 10, 2011 11:05 pm

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sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:
JohnOfTardis67 wrote:Also on that why is it that all he robots the Allspark created in the movie tended to be on the slightly evil side? How did that distinction of good and evil transformers happen? I'm just going by what we saw in the movies.

I never really saw them as evil, just confused and acting out, like a crying baby.


That, and Simmons said that all our technology is reverse engineered from Megatron.


Perhaps all sparks need a shell program attached to it. that keeps it in-line,in-balance & loyal to whatever faction side that creates it. also to give it some general rules & a comprehensive data base of knowledge.
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