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How they might improve Megatron for a new MP mold

Postby Blasphemous Prime » Sun Jun 24, 2012 12:16 pm

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Frankly, I rather liked the MP-05 Megatron. I heard a lot of people say how they didn't like the skinny legs or the gigantic cannon. But personally, I just felt these things were merely the realism of the figure. I thought aesthetically he was engineered rather well

I always thought the design on the G1 cartoon was WAY off. He seemed too bulky in the cartoon to be able to transform into a gun.

I would say how ever that there are only a few small things I would change in the MP-05, and they are merely cosmetic

1. Somehow lighten the fusion cannon
while I don't mind the size of it, it weighed too much for the figure to stand properly without some sort of support.

2. Pay attention to color scheme.
Megatron's elbows were red, not black. His hands were just black, not silver and black.

3. The feet look nothing like his feet in the show.
Is he wearing Chinese sandals? Even though they added to the pose ability of the figure, they just look way off in comparison to who they were in the cartoon.

If Takara is going to do a new MP mold for Megs, I wouldn't mind a smaller version of the MP-05 if they fixed these issues (and the frailty issues others complain of).

One idea they could try (and this would help Takara and Hasbro get around the whole VW licensing issue on Bumblebee too) is to create the figure so that it transforms into the character's Cybertronian alt mode. As long as the character's robot mode looked like he did in the G1 cartoon, I don't think a lot of collectors would mind the different alt mode. Besides, we never saw Megatron's Cybertronian alt mode before the Ark crashed on Earth, so this would leave engineers open to ANY alt mode option that would allow us to have Megatron's robot mode as we remember him.
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Re: How they might improve Megatron for a new MP mold

Postby El Duque » Sun Jun 24, 2012 12:51 pm

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Re: How they might improve Megatron for a new MP mold

Postby Dead Metal » Sun Jun 24, 2012 12:57 pm

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Concentrate on the Bot-mode make the alt-mode an afterthought.
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Re: How they might improve Megatron for a new MP mold

Postby Screamfleet » Sun Jun 24, 2012 1:35 pm

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Dead Metal wrote:Concentrate on the Bot-mode make the alt-mode an afterthought.


I agree.

I assume they might go for a gun. The gun mode doesn't need to be a walther. Striving for that accuracy can hold back the toy.
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Re: How they might improve Megatron for a new MP mold

Postby RhA » Sun Jun 24, 2012 1:56 pm

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Dead Metal wrote:Concentrate on the Bot-mode make the alt-mode an afterthought.


I agree.

I assume they might go for a gun. The gun mode doesn't need to be a walther. Striving for that accuracy can hold back the toy.


I disagree. Megs is a hard design to translate into an accurate toy, but A) there's a challenge and B) MP would not be a MP if it weren't perfect to look at.

So we can't actually use mass-shifting, so the size is always going to be off, but then again, MP Convoy would be very expensive if he's to scale with his screen counterpart. Indeed, look at Hegemon, the proportions CAN work on that design. So why can't an official MP with more funding do better?

I agree that MP05 was a good looking toy, but ultimately we can do better.
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Re: How they might improve Megatron for a new MP mold

Postby craggy » Sun Jun 24, 2012 2:01 pm

Hegemon does it right. I doubt Toyworld have the years of experience making Transformers toys, or the amounts of money that Hasbro and/or TakaraTomy could put into designing an MP Megatron. And yet.


Hegemon is NOT perfect, but dammit if it doesn't look close enough.
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Re: How they might improve Megatron for a new MP mold

Postby RhA » Sun Jun 24, 2012 2:07 pm

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craggy wrote:Hegemon does it right. I doubt Toyworld have the years of experience making Transformers toys, or the amounts of money that Hasbro and/or TakaraTomy could put into designing an MP Megatron. And yet.


Hegemon is NOT perfect, but dammit if it doesn't look close enough.


IMO, they screwed up the legs / gunhandle. Just looks wrong in both modes. It's just further proof that G1 Megatron truly is evil. No one can get it right.
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Re: How they might improve Megatron for a new MP mold

Postby craggy » Sun Jun 24, 2012 2:28 pm

RhA wrote:
craggy wrote:Hegemon does it right. I doubt Toyworld have the years of experience making Transformers toys, or the amounts of money that Hasbro and/or TakaraTomy could put into designing an MP Megatron. And yet.


Hegemon is NOT perfect, but dammit if it doesn't look close enough.


IMO, they screwed up the legs / gunhandle. Just looks wrong in both modes. It's just further proof that G1 Megatron truly is evil. No one can get it right.

"screwed up" is rather strong, but I get what you mean. I prefer the Classics/Henkei styling for the feet/boots. The gun handle doesn't look too bad though.
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Re: How they might improve Megatron for a new MP mold

Postby njb902 » Sun Jun 24, 2012 2:56 pm

what if they went with the tank over the gun alt mode?

ps id rather have a mp dinobot!
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Re: How they might improve Megatron for a new MP mold

Postby zodconvoy » Sun Jun 24, 2012 3:19 pm

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Hegemons only failing that I can see is the pistol grip is wrong. If Takara were to go a similar route with a new MP while making the altmode accurate, the legs wouldn't suffer for it. And I've never like any Megatron's feet. Not G1, not Masterpiece, not Classics. I'm holding out judgement on Hegemon until I actually have one. Ultimately, I trust Takara to make the next Megatron better than the last.
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Re: How they might improve Megatron for a new MP mold

Postby daniel77 » Sun Jun 24, 2012 3:23 pm

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Re: How they might improve Megatron for a new MP mold

Postby Screamfleet » Sun Jun 24, 2012 3:24 pm

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I disagree. Megs is a hard design to translate into an accurate toy, but A) there's a challenge and B) MP would not be a MP if it weren't perfect to look at


I see it's a challenge, but to me, it seems they failed that challenge the first go around. I think it's time for a different approach. Make Megatron look like Megatron, the challenged should then be to give him an alt mode that doesn't disappoint. Be it tank, gun, or what have you. I don't think either mode should be sacrificed, but I do think robot mode should be priority.
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Re: How they might improve Megatron for a new MP mold

Postby Evil_the_Nub » Sun Jun 24, 2012 3:31 pm

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The only issues I've had the MP Megatron are the huge cannon he can't hold, and the tiny tabs that break waaaaaaaay too easily. The overall look of it I don't have a problem with. If they make a new one all they really need to do is make it more durable.

Edit* And fix the bal joints on his hips and shoulders. I can touch the figure without them popping off. I always end up taking them off when I transform it and reattach them when I'm done.
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Postby RK_Striker_JK_5 » Sun Jun 24, 2012 3:52 pm

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Re: How they might improve Megatron for a new MP mold

Postby Cyberseven » Sun Jun 24, 2012 4:36 pm

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I see that a lot of us are expecting that since Takara/Hasbro indicated they would do a new Megs, that he will be a gun again.

I really hope that is the case. I have MP05 and I love it. Sure its not perfect, but its a damn nice MP. If they do a new MP Megs as a gun again, they could make some improvements to the transformation and make some parts a little sturdier.

I am thinking that Takara/Hasbro may actually make the new MP Megs as G2 tank. Easier to scale, and design transformation. Plus as GREAT as he was as a Gun, he was pretty damn cool as a Tank.
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Re: How they might improve Megatron for a new MP mold

Postby zodconvoy » Sun Jun 24, 2012 5:11 pm

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Cyberseven wrote:I am thinking that Takara/Hasbro may actually make the new MP Megs as G2 tank. Easier to scale, and design transformation. Plus as GREAT as he was as a Gun, he was pretty damn cool as a Tank.


I'd be down for that. Obvious purple repaint aside, Hasbro would be all over it! They'd have that out to every TRU in the western hemisphere (except Quebec evidently) within 6 months!

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Re: How they might improve Megatron for a new MP mold

Postby RhA » Sun Jun 24, 2012 11:13 pm

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Cyberseven wrote:I see that a lot of us are expecting that since Takara/Hasbro indicated they would do a new Megs, that he will be a gun again.

I really hope that is the case. I have MP05 and I love it. Sure its not perfect, but its a damn nice MP. If they do a new MP Megs as a gun again, they could make some improvements to the transformation and make some parts a little sturdier.

I am thinking that Takara/Hasbro may actually make the new MP Megs as G2 tank. Easier to scale, and design transformation. Plus as GREAT as he was as a Gun, he was pretty damn cool as a Tank.


A tank Megatron would make me squeel like a little girl.
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Re: How they might improve Megatron for a new MP mold

Postby orangeitis » Sun Jun 24, 2012 11:35 pm

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I think they want to concentrate on G1 before moving on to G2. Megs will probably still be a gun.
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Re: How they might improve Megatron for a new MP mold

Postby fenrir72 » Mon Jun 25, 2012 2:27 am

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MP-05 seems to have been designed never to be transformed. :HEADHURTS: Based on all your horror stories, I still haven't transformed him. :shock:

Given that he is an iconic counterbalance to Optimus, smart money is that Tomy will make one. I wonder if they'll give him thicker eyebrows this time? Or better yet, a port for the "Heart of Cybertron" and a hidden panel on his foot where he hid the energon saber he used to slash Optimus in the 1986 movie.
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Re: How they might improve Megatron for a new MP mold

Postby Mykltron » Mon Jun 25, 2012 3:17 am

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I was going to suggest basing the design on legends Megatron but that works as well.
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Re: How they might improve Megatron for a new MP mold

Postby Trikeboy » Mon Jun 25, 2012 3:17 am

They need to take notes from Hegemon.

I'm not claiming Hegemon is perfect, but he is damn near perfect. Takara really should get a few, take notes then improve on it significantly. What MP05 did wrong was try to emulate the G1 transformation which looked nothing like the character in the show. Megatron's head doesn't need to be the back of the gun. Hegemon's torso opens clam style and the head flips inside. The double hinge for the lower half on the body for Hegemon was perfectly engineered. Also, the arm cannon looks the perfect size in bot and gun mode and it doesn't need to be removed for transformation. The legs do need work, I don't deny it but I think working on a large Masterpiece scale, this is something they can do. I would rather have them split like Hegemon and not like G1 Megatron. They end up too skinny that way. Hegs looks bulky but I haven't felt my hand is stretched when holding him. Also, for the love of god, get the face right. I really don't like the face and head design on MP05. One last improvement, which going by MP10 they probably will do, give him his stock and silencer

Hegemon is like 95% perfect, I hope Takara take it to 100%
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Re: How they might improve Megatron for a new MP mold

Postby Mykltron » Mon Jun 25, 2012 3:23 am

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El Duque wrote:Hire the guy who designed Hegemon.
I was going to suggest basing the design on legends Megatron but that works as well.

fenrir72 wrote:MP-05 seems to have been designed never to be transformed. :HEADHURTS: Based on all your horror stories, I still haven't transformed him. :shock:
I, and others, have transformed him numerous times with no trouble.
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Re: How they might improve Megatron for a new MP mold

Postby Trikeboy » Mon Jun 25, 2012 3:31 am

Mykltron wrote:
fenrir72 wrote:MP-05 seems to have been designed never to be transformed. :HEADHURTS: Based on all your horror stories, I still haven't transformed him. :shock:
I, and others, have transformed him numerous times with no trouble.


I have transformed MP05 multiple times without breakage. It feels like I might once or twice but he never has. MP05 looks best in gun mode with the 3rd party stock and silencer.
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Re: How they might improve Megatron for a new MP mold

Postby fenrir72 » Mon Jun 25, 2012 5:17 am

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You guys have guts of steel. I'm a softy that can't stand the sight of breaking my MP ( death and carnage among humans I can handle, but breaking my TF.......never!) Megatron. 8-}
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Re: How they might improve Megatron for a new MP mold

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I keep looking for a cheap MP-05 but they still seem to go for a pretty penny in the U.K., £80 plus, which makes me consider picking up Hegemon but is he a little small to be classed as Masterpiece (even with the new re-scaling thats kicking in)?

I really love the look of MP-05. If he was to be improved, reference his skinny legs and funny feet, seeing as he comes with a seperate stock etc, couldnt a couple of pieces be made to give bulk to the legs and feet which then combine with the stock when in alt gun mode? :-?
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