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cotss2012 wrote:

5150 Cruiser wrote:Actually, if you bothered to pay attention, you'd see the hacker subplot played a key point in the first movie. The point was for the Decepticons could..

1.- Learn the location of the all spark.
2.- Learn the location of Megatron.

The Decepticons never needed to do much hacking at all: Sam and Mikaela took Frenzy straight into the Hoover Dam, though that was only possible because Sam and Evil Prowl ran into each other by accident... after hacking into Air Force One somehow led Frenzy to Sam's eBay page, which might have allowed them to access Sam's address, which would make perfect sense if Evil Prowl had been anywhere near Sam's house when they met (this is why the STORY STRUCTURE IS CRAP).

Earth is a big place, the Decepticons knew Megatron and the Allspark were on it somewhere. Instead of going over every square inch of the planet they started hacking computer networks to find information on the location of Megatron and the Allspark. The whole reason Barricade was even in Sam's town(which is pretty close to where he lives) is because Frenzy found the glasses on his ebay page. They found that by searching the name Witwicky which Frenzy found when he hacked Air Force One.

The virus that Frenzy uploaded ultimately meant nothing. The involvement of the Australian chick and her overweight friend analyzing the signal also ended up going nowhere, though they conveniently knew how to hook up a radio to a computer in such a way as to transmit Morse code for the purpose of calling in some Raptors for Starscream to tear up...

She alerted everyone when Frenzy was hacking Air Force One and convinced them to shut down the network to prevent the Decepticons from finding where Megatron and the Allspark were. If not for that Megatron would be free with the Allspark in his possession before the Autobots even got to Earth. And those Raptors shot Megatron down which gave Sam the opportunity to shove the Allspark in his chest.

Cruiser, Nub, I think it's great you've posted intelligently, with facts and kept your patience, but it's not worth it.

I'd give up now. We see it one way, they see it another, which is fine, but it's just not worth the hassle or potential trouble.

Evil_the_Nub wrote:Earth is a big place, the Decepticons knew Megatron and the Allspark were on it somewhere. Instead of going over every square inch of the planet they started hacking computer networks to find information on the location of Megatron and the Allspark.

Yes, I know their decision to do that made sense. It just didn't amount to anything - at least not directly.

Evil_the_Nub wrote:The whole reason Barricade was even in Sam's town(which is pretty close to where he lives) is because Frenzy found the glasses on his ebay page. They found that by searching the name Witwicky which Frenzy found when he hacked Air Force One.

I know. I saw that too. And it would have made perfect sense if they had actually met at Sam's house. Instead, they run into each other almost purely by accident after Frenzy went through the trouble of finding where Sam lived. This is called CRAP STORY STRUCTURE.

Evil_the_Nub wrote:She alerted everyone when Frenzy was hacking Air Force One and convinced them to shut down the network to prevent the Decepticons from finding where Megatron and the Allspark were. If not for that Megatron would be free with the Allspark in his possession before the Autobots even got to Earth.

Or you could remove every single scene involving Qatar, the NSA, and the stupid plate of donuts, and the plot would still make just as much sense. The audience might wonder how Evil Prowl was able to locate Sam, but given that we're never told how Bumblebee was able to locate Sam (see also: CRAP STORY STRUCTURE), I don't think it would matter that much.

Evil_the_Nub wrote:And those Raptors shot Megatron down which gave Sam the opportunity to shove the Allspark in his chest.

Really? I thought it was all the tanks and AC-130 gunships and military guys with M203 grenade-launchers, and while I may have been hallucinating at the time, I think Optimus helped a little bit too. Not that we actually NEEDED an explanation for why the Air Force would be showing up to a battle in which the US Military is fighting giant alien robots that are tearing up huge parts of an American city...

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

Burn wrote:

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

OptiMagnus wrote:I'm so glad I've stayed away from this forum. The same number of narrow-minded people as there were 6 months ago.

6 months ago??

This topic was only started Oct 7th 2011

I think you'll find he's talking about how this thread is pretty much the same as the multitude of other "anti-movie" threads that have popped up over the last six months.

The ones I normally end up having to lock because the latest "bayhater" goes too far and insults someone.

I think your right.

As usual, Burn knows what I mean.
But really, this crap just goes on forever and no one wins, because eventually "the latest "bayhater" goes too far and insults someone", resulting in a locked thread. I used to be the extremist newbie on the opposite side of the spectrum, but I never remember insulting anyone. Maybe I did, but I never directly got a thread locked. However, I've been told I have a defective brain and that I have extremely low standards in this forum over this movie debate, and it seems the level of intelligence has not improved. In fact, I think I'm seeing a larger rate of locked threads than before.

well, If there is one thing I noticed throughout the three films, it's that starscream never tried to overthrow megatron. I mean, there was the one scene in the first film with the f-22 bombings, but was that even proven?
My point is, Starscream wasn't the only bot to act out of character from time to time, but that's one thing they SHOULD have worked in. Including a scene were Megatron offs, or at least tries to (And fails to) Off starscream. That's all I really needed to say. The movies don't suck. Their flawed, sure, but they don't suck.
If you have a broken TF, but all that's broken is his gun, would you still get rid of him?

BeastProwl wrote:If you have a broken TF, but all that's broken is his gun, would you still get rid of him?

The Bayformers movies are broken in more of an "all of the joints are locked up and all of the kibble has snapped off" kind of way, though.

cotss2012 wrote:

BeastProwl wrote:If you have a broken TF, but all that's broken is his gun, would you still get rid of him?

The Bayformers movies are broken in more of an "all of the joints are locked up and all of the kibble has snapped off" kind of way, though.

All the joints in my toys work just fine. Maybe Movie toys are to complicated for you and you should step down to Rescue bots!

Just kidding man.

Most of the movie toys aren't too complex, but these Leader-class figures make the Masterpiece line seem simple by comparison.