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Cyber Bishop wrote:

orangeitis wrote:it is merely your opinion that "Hasbro's offering" is unimportant, or that "TakaraTomy gave us the real deal figure, not some cheapass attempt.". You're welcome to your opinion about it, but your opinion holds no weight when presented to someone else in an argument.

Uh his opinion is not wrong, it is his opinion. Plz read the post I made about opinions..

I didn't say his opinion was wrong at all, especially in the section you've quoted.

Cyber Bishop wrote:I am tired of PM's complaints about you..

And with all due respect Mr. admin, I'm tired of hearing about them when I'm apparently not doing anything wrong. If I did do something that you deem wrong, then just cast the mod hammer at me and get it over with. If I haven't done anything wrong, then maybe you should look toward those frivolous PMs you're getting, rather than me.

I was being as kind and respectful to my fellow posters as I possibly could in this thread, while being as rational and logical on the topic as possible. If you're gonna call me out for the PMs you've been getting, please specify what they're aimed at and exactly what I've been doing wrong so this can be peacefully resolved. I'll be happy to explain myself or edit my posts of whatever content you wish, but I can't do anything when you point something out that I just didn't do, such as me claiming that another poster's opinion is "wrong".

C'mon, really? All this arguing over a toy? There will always be anomalies with designs. Sometimes Hasbro does a better job than Takara (Paint vs. Stickers) and sometimes Takara does a better job than Hasbro (Exclusives vs. Retail). You can't just slap a label on a company because a few figures irk you.

Autobot032 wrote:

orangeitis wrote:

PrimeStriker wrote:

orangeitis wrote:Hope Hasbro makes a better mold of him in the future. That sounds horrifying.

.....Have you not seen what Hasbro does to molds already made? Optimus Prime, Bumblebee, Bulkhead, Starscream, and (opinion may differ here) Cliffjumper all suffer from being worse than their original molds. Hasbro is more than likely to screw it up than fix it.

First of all, opinion may differ on all of them, not just ol' CJ there. Second, the FEs are originally Hasbro's too. And what else is Hasbro's? CHUGs, the figures from the movie trilogy, the Animated line... their track record is just as good as it is bad IMO. I don't see how there's more of a chance of Hasbro making a crappier figure.

Hasbro isn't releasing Breakdown here, so it's a moot point, really. And Hasbro's toys are getting thinner and cheaper in terms of quality. No reason to be tooting Hasbro's horn. I bought FOC Jazz today and it feels like junk.

I wonder if Hasbro/TT is going to reserve the good plastic for MP figures from now on, leaving the standard releases lighter and more fragile. The issue with figures getting smaller is a problem across the board.

Cyber Bishop wrote:Mr. orangeitis I replied to your PM (and was hit with a few telling me what you posted here)... And since you blurted this out in public then I will blurt this out, You need to respect others opinions instead of constantly arguing and making others feel that your opinion is the only one that matters.

Last warning.

And I just PMed you back. I clearly explained that have never ever asserted that only my opinion matters, and I have never ever argued with subjective opinion over objective facts. It is my principle as a rationalist and a skeptic to argue with only facts, try to help others when I feel that they aren't, and correct my arguments when I am found to be wrong.

If you, or my peers have something wrong with my 'opinion' that facts take precedence over opinions in arguments, then I'm sorry, but I'm not gonna be bullied into changing what I post.

DevastaTTor wrote:

Autobot032 wrote:

orangeitis wrote:

PrimeStriker wrote:

orangeitis wrote:Hope Hasbro makes a better mold of him in the future. That sounds horrifying.

.....Have you not seen what Hasbro does to molds already made? Optimus Prime, Bumblebee, Bulkhead, Starscream, and (opinion may differ here) Cliffjumper all suffer from being worse than their original molds. Hasbro is more than likely to screw it up than fix it.

First of all, opinion may differ on all of them, not just ol' CJ there. Second, the FEs are originally Hasbro's too. And what else is Hasbro's? CHUGs, the figures from the movie trilogy, the Animated line... their track record is just as good as it is bad IMO. I don't see how there's more of a chance of Hasbro making a crappier figure.

Hasbro isn't releasing Breakdown here, so it's a moot point, really. And Hasbro's toys are getting thinner and cheaper in terms of quality. No reason to be tooting Hasbro's horn. I bought FOC Jazz today and it feels like junk.

I wonder if Hasbro/TT is going to reserve the good plastic for MP figures from now on, leaving the standard releases lighter and more fragile. The issue with figures getting smaller is a problem across the board.

It's to early to jump to any conclusions, though it is a distressing trend. time will tell I supose.

Gearslide wrote:Goodness. All I wanted to point out is that this particular mold wouldn't be suitable in an American market, and that I understood Hasbro's reasons for not bringing it over! This wasn't supposed to be a Hasbro bashing thread or anything.

Based on my experience with the figure, I strongly feel that Hasbro won't ever release it or any iteration of it in this market. It's just too fragile for the rough-housing a lot of kids will do with it. MAYBE if Hasbro beefed up the plastic on it, it could pass as a First Edition (or equivalent) figure.

I do think, however, that Hasbro will release their own mold. Considering that the Prime series isn't a filler line, like Fall of Cybertron, I'm sure Hasbro will take designing a Breakdown figure seriously.

I would like to sincerely apologize to you, Gearslide. It was never my intention to have this derail as it has. I was only trying to make a point and I had no idea it would be taken so far out of line. I'm not bashing Hasbro, by the way. It was not my intention. Airing grievances, was.

I would hope they wouldn't change the mold, just the plastic, but if they do, I hope you're right. Hasbro's done it before, they could do it again.

DevastaTTor wrote:I wonder if Hasbro/TT is going to reserve the good plastic for MP figures from now on, leaving the standard releases lighter and more fragile. The issue with figures getting smaller is a problem across the board.

Indeed, it is a problem. A worrisome one, at that. But I'd say not even the good plastic goes to the Masterpieces. Rodimus had arms break off, literally "just because". They just snapped, while on display. No user interaction required. That's some weak ass plastic, right there. Because the TT version has the same thickness of plastic, the same mold and their's didn't break. That tells me Hasbro is using a much cheaper quality plastic.

njb902 wrote:It's to early to jump to any conclusions, though it is a distressing trend. time will tell I supose.

Fair point, but I will say that with the increase of complaints and increase of proof of this, it's fair to say that it's a logical conclusion to jump to.

Thinner, smaller, lighter, less metal, all across the board. That's scary. It's one thing when it's one line, but now it's looking like all of them are becoming the same thing. And when TakaraTomy does the same thing, that's even worse.

I've seen thicker and more sturdy plastic in disposable utensils. (No, I'm not kidding.)

If you hold Breakdown up to a light, and open his inner leg panel, you can see light through it quite well. Almost lightpipe worthy. That's some thin plastic. I held my Giant Mixmaster up to the light, not a single bleed through. Nothing.

Well, then. It seems once an argument is over, the thread really dies, so, I'll leave it alone after I say this:

I bought Takara's Breakdown because I know the Hasbro one is going to suck, with the Powerizer gimmicks, and the unnecessary translucent plastic everywhere. That's why I have no faith Hasbro will make a better Breakdown.

And, I guess that's /thread, unless anyone else has anything to add

Right out of the packaging, one of the leg panels that's supposed to rotate and fold around to form the leg panel was detached. I popped it back on easily enough, but those panels are pretty loose. They're plugged on in a similar fashion to Knockout's wheels. I'll just have to be careful when transforming him not to get to rough with those parts to avoid popping them off again.

Overall, I'm pleased with the figure so I'm glad I got it.

xyl360 wrote:Right out of the packaging, one of the leg panels that's supposed to rotate and fold around to form the leg panel was detached. I popped it back on easily enough, but those panels are pretty loose. They're plugged on in a similar fashion to Knockout's wheels. I'll just have to be careful when transforming him not to get to rough with those parts to avoid popping them off again.

Overall, I'm pleased with the figure so I'm glad I got it.

Ha-ha, my Breakdown's leg panels are like that too, but they didn't pop off until I transformed him a few times. Hasn't done that since, as I'm more careful when I transform them. But damn, they are loosey-goosey!