SlyTF1 wrote:So you're saying that every person in the world who liked ROTF is retarded?
Or on drugs.
SlyTF1 wrote:So you're saying that every person in the world who liked ROTF is retarded?
RiddlerJ wrote:Each one will come with an autographed picture of Michael Bay sitting on top of a huge pile of money.
cotss2012 wrote:SlyTF1 wrote:So you're saying that every person in the world who liked ROTF is retarded?
Or on drugs.
RiddlerJ wrote:Each one will come with an autographed picture of Michael Bay sitting on top of a huge pile of money.
cotss2012 wrote:Hey dude, it's not like "on drugs" is inherently an insult. Personally, I love drinking 8-12 shots of vodka and sitting down for some giant robot fighting and testicle jokes, and one of these days, I'd like to watch Tron Legacy under the influence of MDMA.
Don't take everything so personally. Jeez.
RiddlerJ wrote:Each one will come with an autographed picture of Michael Bay sitting on top of a huge pile of money.
SlyTF1 wrote:cotss2012 wrote:SlyTF1 wrote:So you're saying that every person in the world who liked ROTF is retarded?
Or on drugs.
Too bad the rules prohibit me from cursing you out. Let me leave before I do something irrational...
cotss2012 wrote:Define "not many".
Autobot032 wrote:SlyTF1 wrote:cotss2012 wrote:SlyTF1 wrote:So you're saying that every person in the world who liked ROTF is retarded?
Or on drugs.
Too bad the rules prohibit me from cursing you out. Let me leave before I do something irrational...
Sly? Pay close attention.
REPORT HIM!
His posts have actionable offenses in them. Instead of helping him stoke the fire, report him and let the management put his fire out.
He's trouble from the word go. Why do you think I blocked him??
SlyTF1 wrote:cotss2012 wrote:Define "not many".
Minor things like Wheelie disappearing before the final battle.Autobot032 wrote:SlyTF1 wrote:cotss2012 wrote:SlyTF1 wrote:So you're saying that every person in the world who liked ROTF is retarded?
Or on drugs.
Too bad the rules prohibit me from cursing you out. Let me leave before I do something irrational...
Sly? Pay close attention.
REPORT HIM!
His posts have actionable offenses in them. Instead of helping him stoke the fire, report him and let the management put his fire out.
He's trouble from the word go. Why do you think I blocked him??
I don't believe in reporting people. I've done my fair share of garbage, and it just doesn't seem fair to me. I know that's why it's there, but it just doesn't seem fair to report someone for things I've done before. But I'm trying as nicely as I possibly can to be civil about pointing this crap out.
Autobot032 wrote:SlyTF1 wrote:cotss2012 wrote:Define "not many".
Minor things like Wheelie disappearing before the final battle.Autobot032 wrote:SlyTF1 wrote:cotss2012 wrote:SlyTF1 wrote:So you're saying that every person in the world who liked ROTF is retarded?
Or on drugs.
Too bad the rules prohibit me from cursing you out. Let me leave before I do something irrational...
Sly? Pay close attention.
REPORT HIM!
His posts have actionable offenses in them. Instead of helping him stoke the fire, report him and let the management put his fire out.
He's trouble from the word go. Why do you think I blocked him??
I don't believe in reporting people. I've done my fair share of garbage, and it just doesn't seem fair to me. I know that's why it's there, but it just doesn't seem fair to report someone for things I've done before. But I'm trying as nicely as I possibly can to be civil about pointing this crap out.
That's one of the dumbest excuses I've ever heard. I've been reported in the past, I have no problem reporting others. It's one thing to do it "just because", it's another when it's warranted. Here, it's warranted.
More likely, you're in the mood to fight and feel like going until you win. Newsflash: You won't win.
So, I'm going to go ahead and report him. This is getting ridiculous. You could just flat out ignore him, but you won't do that. You'll continue to stoke the fire.
SlyTF1 wrote:cotss2012 wrote:Define "not many".
Minor things like Wheelie disappearing before the final battle.
RiddlerJ wrote:Each one will come with an autographed picture of Michael Bay sitting on top of a huge pile of money.
cotss2012 wrote:SlyTF1 wrote:cotss2012 wrote:Define "not many".
Minor things like Wheelie disappearing before the final battle.
So the National Air and Space Museum being located in the middle of a desert in Arizona is "minor", in your opinion? What would you consider a "major" plot hole?
RiddlerJ wrote:Each one will come with an autographed picture of Michael Bay sitting on top of a huge pile of money.
cotss2012 wrote:DUDE.
Wheelie points a laser at Washington, D.C. on a map in John Turturro's basement
The characters go to Washington, D.C.
They enter the National Air and Space Museum... in Washington, D.C.
When they exit the same museum, it has moved, and is now roughly 3,000 miles from its previous location.
THAT IS A HUGE GODDAMN PLOT HOLE.
cotss2012 wrote:DUDE.
Wheelie points a laser at Washington, D.C. on a map in John Turturro's basement
The characters go to Washington, D.C.
They enter the National Air and Space Museum... in Washington, D.C.
When they exit the same museum, it has moved, and is now roughly 3,000 miles from its previous location.
THAT IS A HUGE GODDAMN PLOT HOLE.
NewFoundStarscreamLuv wrote:me and my friends combine all the time. Sometimes I even combine by myself if no one is around.
cotss2012 wrote:DUDE.
Wheelie points a laser at Washington, D.C. on a map in John Turturro's basement
The characters go to Washington, D.C.
They enter the National Air and Space Museum... in Washington, D.C.
When they exit the same museum, it has moved, and is now roughly 3,000 miles from its previous location.
THAT IS A HUGE GODDAMN PLOT HOLE.
cotss2012 wrote: Personally, I love drinking 8-12 shots of vodka and sitting down for some giant robot fighting and testicle jokes, and one of these days, I'd like to watch Tron Legacy under the influence of MDMA.
Capt.Failure wrote:cotss2012 wrote:DUDE.
Wheelie points a laser at Washington, D.C. on a map in John Turturro's basement
The characters go to Washington, D.C.
They enter the National Air and Space Museum... in Washington, D.C.
When they exit the same museum, it has moved, and is now roughly 3,000 miles from its previous location.
THAT IS A HUGE GODDAMN PLOT HOLE.
Educate yourself on what a plot hole is. Then come back to the thread.
Plot holes in RotF:
1. Wheelie teleporting/disappearing.
2. The Primes could beat the Fallen to take the Matrix but not kill him even though only a Prime could finish him. Optimus' fusion with Jetfire giving him the strength to do this is tangentially related.
3. The cover up of the previous film's final battle and it's location ("Mission City" in Transformers, *Los Angeles in RotF).
I'll also point out that "robot heaven" isn't one either. That would require an existential debate on whether a Cybertronian has a soul or not, and this isn't the thread for that.
*Note: Considering post-9/11 Americans can be...sensitive about mass destruction it wouldn't surprise me if LA was always the planned city for the finale in Transformers but the executives veto'd it.
SlyTF1 wrote:2. How do you know the first 13 weren't anti-violence?
NewFoundStarscreamLuv wrote:me and my friends combine all the time. Sometimes I even combine by myself if no one is around.
Evil_the_Nub wrote:Jetfire did say the Fallen was stronger than all the other Primes. Even though they managed to get the Matrix away from him I don't think they could have beaten him. So they sacrificed themselves to hide the Matrix from him.
SlyTF1 wrote:In he movie, it's still damn in DC.
Evil_the_Nub wrote:That's a setting issue, not a plot issue.
From Wikipedia:
[i]A plot hole, or plothole, is a gap or inconsistency in a storyline that goes against the flow of logic established by the story's plot, or constitutes a blatant omission of relevant information regarding the plot. These include such things as unlikely behaviour or actions of characters, illogical or impossible events
Capt.Failure wrote:Plot holes in RotF:
1. Wheelie teleporting/disappearing.
2. The Primes could beat the Fallen to take the Matrix but not kill him even though only a Prime could finish him. Optimus' fusion with Jetfire giving him the strength to do this is tangentially related.
3. The cover up of the previous film's final battle and it's location ("Mission City" in Transformers, *Los Angeles in RotF).
Delta Magnus wrote:The G1 cartoon had TONNES more plot holes and animation errors than all 3 live-action films combined.
Delta Magnus wrote:Besides, at what point in ROTF in the air and space museum do they say they're in Arizona?
Delta Magnus wrote:Besides, why complain about the movies when you could be complaining about the Energon cartoon, which was genuinely dreadful?
RiddlerJ wrote:Each one will come with an autographed picture of Michael Bay sitting on top of a huge pile of money.
cotss2012 wrote:Capt.Failure wrote:Plot holes in RotF:
1. Wheelie teleporting/disappearing.
2. The Primes could beat the Fallen to take the Matrix but not kill him even though only a Prime could finish him. Optimus' fusion with Jetfire giving him the strength to do this is tangentially related.
3. The cover up of the previous film's final battle and it's location ("Mission City" in Transformers, *Los Angeles in RotF).
You forgot:
4. In TF '07, the Autobot-Decepticon war was started by Megatron. In RotF, it was started by the Fallen.
5. In TF '07, the war was fought over the Allspark. In RotF, the war was fought over the sun-blower-upper-machine.
6. The entire plot thread with Alice, which made no sense and went nowhere.
7. How did BB know that Sam was at the party?
8. How did Optimus know that Megatron was about to kill Sam in that warehouse?
9. At what point does Sam's head stop being full of crazy, and why?
Delta Magnus wrote:Besides, at what point in ROTF in the air and space museum do they say they're in Arizona?
cotss2012 wrote:They don't actually say it. However, it turns out that there's an "airplane graveyard" at Davis-Monthan Air Force Base near Tucson, Arizona, and that's apparently where the museum teleported to.
Delta Magnus wrote:Besides, why complain about the movies when you could be complaining about the Energon cartoon, which was genuinely dreadful?
Because this is the live-action movie forum. We go elsewhere to complain about Energon.
NewFoundStarscreamLuv wrote:me and my friends combine all the time. Sometimes I even combine by myself if no one is around.
cotss2012 wrote:SlyTF1 wrote:In he movie, it's still damn in DC.
Wrong. In the movie, the Air and Space museum literally moves from DC to the middle of a desert. There are even some exterior shots immediately prior to the characters entering the museum, and they depict the museum in a distinctly non-desert-looking location.Evil_the_Nub wrote:That's a setting issue, not a plot issue.
From Wikipedia:
[i]A plot hole, or plothole, is a gap or inconsistency in a storyline that goes against the flow of logic established by the story's plot, or constitutes a blatant omission of relevant information regarding the plot. These include such things as unlikely behaviour or actions of characters, illogical or impossible events
I'm pretty sure that teleporting the Smithsonian from Washington DC to the middle of a desert constitutes an "illogical or impossible event"Capt.Failure wrote:Plot holes in RotF:
1. Wheelie teleporting/disappearing.
2. The Primes could beat the Fallen to take the Matrix but not kill him even though only a Prime could finish him. Optimus' fusion with Jetfire giving him the strength to do this is tangentially related.
3. The cover up of the previous film's final battle and it's location ("Mission City" in Transformers, *Los Angeles in RotF).
You forgot:
4. In TF '07, the Autobot-Decepticon war was started by Megatron. In RotF, it was started by the Fallen.
5. In TF '07, the war was fought over the Allspark. In RotF, the war was fought over the sun-blower-upper-machine.
6. The entire plot thread with Alice, which made no sense and went nowhere.
7. How did BB know that Sam was at the party?
8. How did Optimus know that Megatron was about to kill Sam in that warehouse?
9. At what point does Sam's head stop being full of crazy, and why?
blah blah blah...Delta Magnus wrote:The G1 cartoon had TONNES more plot holes and animation errors than all 3 live-action films combined.
That's no excuse. You can't hold a half-hour toy commercial to the same standards as a $200 million summer blockbuster. However, I'm willing to bet that the first season actually had fewer plot holes per hour than RotF did.Delta Magnus wrote:Besides, at what point in ROTF in the air and space museum do they say they're in Arizona?
They don't actually say it. However, it turns out that there's an "airplane graveyard" at Davis-Monthan Air Force Base near Tucson, Arizona, and that's apparently where the museum teleported to.Delta Magnus wrote:Besides, why complain about the movies when you could be complaining about the Energon cartoon, which was genuinely dreadful?
Because this is the live-action movie forum. We go elsewhere to complain about Energon.
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