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Noideaforaname wrote:I'm a bit more perplexed as to how transporting a planet closer makes it any easier to move 6-7 billion slaves there. Or how letting your Decepticon minions freely kill any and all slaves that they'd like is beneficial to the greater goal.

The citizens, the planet, all made of metal. They/it can withstand the torture of the space bridge. Humans cannot. Remember, Dylan died when he touched the control pillar, more specifically, it's energy.

Plus, killing one city full of people, is not all slaves.

If we pretend for a moment that gravity would not cause Earth to crash into Cybertron, then the Decepticons will still need to fly humans from Earth to Cybertron using spaceships. So it seems simpler to conquer Earth, enslave the population, and then open a space bridge whenever you need to transport a ship from Earth to Cybertron and vice versa.

Charlotte Mearing does say in the movie that knowledge of the moon crash was on a need to know basis and that it had the topmost security clearance...but I still don't get why people at Sector 7 would be kept in the dark about the crashed Autobot ship, and I don't see why people at NASA would be kept in the dark about the cube and NBE-1.

Sector Seven did indeed keep everything a secret, even to NASA. When NASA discovered the Ark, there wasn't much Sector Seven could do but co-operate and make sure they stayed on top of things. So S7 worked with them in order to keep the secret from spreading further. It was still unknown to NASA though that one alien and an artifact had already landed on Earth.

I know this argument has been around for a while, but I still don't like the way Optimus just executes Sentinel at the end. At this point the space bridge, Cybertron, Megatron, and most of the Decepticon army have all been destroyed. Sentinel is no longer a threat. Optimus pretty much just kills him out of spite, which doesn't seem like a very heroic thing to do, if you ask me.

"You always were the bravest of us, but you could never make the hard decisions" is a key quote here. Sentinel has proven himself to be untrustworthy and willing to sell out his own troops. Optimus knew he needed to end this treath forever, just as he finally decided to kill Megatron once and for all. Sure, they could've taken Sentinel and put him on trial, but the odds are Decepticons would bust him out and start over. Better to destroy all the leaders while you're at it.

I'm a bit more perplexed as to how transporting a planet closer makes it any easier to move 6-7 billion slaves there. Or how letting your Decepticon minions freely kill any and all slaves that they'd like is beneficial to the greater goal.

I have a feeling there was more to this originally than in the final film. It seems like a planet that big would have need of ALL resources found on earth. It's easily over four times Earth's size and I visualize it could have consumed our planet Unicron-style in order to gather building material.

Rushie wrote:I have a feeling there was more to this originally than in the final film. It seems like a planet that big would have need of ALL resources found on earth. It's easily over four times Earth's size and I visualize it could have consumed our planet Unicron-style in order to gather building material.

I always assumed they were going to render Earth down into energy to fuel their planetary repair equipment. But that's just me.

Well I enjoy the movie and think it's probluy the best of the three. One mans crap is another mans cake.

I see the movies as I do the G1 series. entertainment. ROTF has it probs, but so do the other movies.
I mean the movies have their probs but nitpicking everything just ruins their enjoyment.
for instance, with the addition of Soundwave and Gould's relationship, where in the world was Soundwave in TF1 and why wasn't Laserbeak or Ravage utilized.
Transformers are suppose to be "robot in disguise", though Starscream obtains Cybertronian tattoos in the sequels, which sets the F22 mode apart from the other F22's.
The humans, (Simmons aside), were more concerned with the Autobots and Decepticons ruining their personal problems than being ecstatic about seeing a new race.
Frenzy belonged to Soundwave.
Sentinel Prime has his Panther mode on the Moon.
Shockwave has a few scenes as a drone, not the tactical evil Field Commander of Ground Zero:Chicago he could have been.
I have my probs with the movies but I also have enjoyment with them as well. ROTF has it's probs but it's my second fave after TF1 (which if Blackout was Soundwave, could have been the perfect stand alone movie).

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I am just sickened that this is a film that was indirectly marketed to children. Meh, that's what I get for living in a Capitalist society where no one has any taste or moral compass.[/quote]

I agree wholeheartedly with this. It is sickening. Just goes to show how far our society has fallen even since I as a 26 yr old was a kid.

One interesting note is that Cybertron was only a third through the bridge when it collapsed. So it is possible that Cybertron is at least partially still intact.

The third was definitely the best of the three. The only falacys I could come up with were...


Why did Megatron bother with the Fallen when all this was already on the moon?
What was the point of the Harvester, it would have destroyed Sentinel.

"We were hidden in the first booster rocket"
Oh you mean the Rocket that blew apart? yeah you should tell your CGI guys what the story is before blowing up all the characters. After thought much?

Soundwave executes the prisoners:
Pretty sure he wouldn't have clearance from megs to start offing Autobots.
just because a human thinks it's personal.

Space Bridge: for a M. Bay "realism rules" movie, this was by far the dumbest most, ridiculously, UN-scientifically motivated parts of the movie. Not only would it take more energy then the Galaxy holds to warp space around a planet, but the minute it was turned off, and severed the planet, it would be severed even if re-started.
Then when it shuts off the last time, it suddenly creates a black hole, that sucks the planet back in..That's not how physics work BAY, mr. no Mass shifting!!!
That was so unbelievable Einstein just turned in his grave and **** his pants.

I call BS!

Also the minute a planet, the size of earth was next to us, we would collide into oblivion. Just bad writing on that part.

RodimalToyota wrote:The third was definitely the best of the three. The only falacys I could come up with were...


Why did Megatron bother with the Fallen when all this was already on the moon?

Maybe he didn't know it?

Soundwave executes the prisoners:
Pretty sure he wouldn't have clearance from megs to start offing Autobots.
just because a human thinks it's personal.

I think it was more of personal preference for Soundwave.

And I also think Megatron would've allowed Soundwave to execute any Autobot of his choice except for his enemies, such as Optimus.

Space Bridge: for a M. Bay "realism rules" movie, this was by far the dumbest most, ridiculously, UN-scientifically motivated parts of the movie. Not only would it take more energy then the Galaxy holds to warp space around a planet, but the minute it was turned off, and severed the planet, it would be severed even if re-started.
Then when it shuts off the last time, it suddenly creates a black hole, that sucks the planet back in..That's not how physics work BAY, mr. no Mass shifting!!!
That was so unbelievable Einstein just turned in his grave and **** his pants.

I call BS!

It's also not physically possible for blenders and plastic monster trucks to convert into robotic beings forged of metal alloy. Hell, beings from another planet isn't completely realistic in itself.

Also the minute a planet, the size of earth was next to us, we would collide into oblivion. Just bad writing on that part.

It's been hinted at a couple of times that Cybertron is smaller than that of Earth. I doubt a planet bigger than Earth has visible buildings, interstates, and cities from space. You would need to zoom in rather far to see those kinds of things on our world.

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Personally, I find the first movie to be the best, and DOTM was behind it. ROTF was definitely the worst.

Accept in DOTM Cybertron was BIGGER wasn't it?

BeastProwl wrote:Accept in DOTM Cybertron was BIGGER wasn't it?

What, this?



Oh, naww man. It's not bigger.

RodimalToyota wrote:Soundwave executes the prisoners:
Pretty sure he wouldn't have clearance from megs to start offing Autobots.
just because a human thinks it's personal.

Soundwave killing Autobots isn't what was wrong with that part, what was wrong was the fact the Decepticons suddenly decided to take prisoners when they had been freely and indiscriminately destroying anything that wasn't themselves just before.

Noideaforaname wrote:

RodimalToyota wrote:Soundwave executes the prisoners:
Pretty sure he wouldn't have clearance from megs to start offing Autobots.
just because a human thinks it's personal.

Soundwave killing Autobots isn't what was wrong with that part, what was wrong was the fact the Decepticons suddenly decided to take prisoners when they had been freely and indiscriminately destroying anything that wasn't themselves just before.

Sentinel orders maybe?That was what i assumed.

TulioDude wrote:Sentinel orders maybe?That was what i assumed.

Seems unlikely, after his coldblooded murder of Ironhide, and his attempted murder of Bumblebee (I wish that was the other way around), I doubt he'd care for prisoners. Maybe only to use them as bargaining chips against Optimus, but considering he bitchslapped Optimus without difficulty, that's kinda thin as well.