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Rodimus Prime wrote:If it wasn't for Megatron's resurrection, his damage in the final battle, and the reference made to Sam being in Egypt, and a few minor details that can be glossed over, you could watch the first film followed by DotM and not miss a beat.

You're missing the parts were:

a) The Transformers films are more self contained stories than the Star Wars films.
b) Megatron being resurrected, Sam being in Egypt and mentioning being on the FBI's wanted list, the sudden appearance of the Matrix, Megatron's damaged state. These things are not "minor details" and would make no sense if you didn't watch the previous film. DotM was not made with the intent to remove RotF from canon.

Capt.Failure wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:If it wasn't for Megatron's resurrection, his damage in the final battle, and the reference made to Sam being in Egypt, and a few minor details that can be glossed over, you could watch the first film followed by DotM and not miss a beat.

You're missing the parts were:

a) The Transformers films are more self contained stories than the Star Wars films.
b) Megatron being resurrected, Sam being in Egypt and mentioning being on the FBI's wanted list, the sudden appearance of the Matrix, Megatron's damaged state. These things are not "minor details" and would make no sense if you didn't watch the previous film. DotM was not made with the intent to remove RotF from canon.

And you're missing the part where I stated if it wasn't for those details and a few minor details, RoTF could be done without. Why the hell are you being so combative, anyway? I thought we were having a civil discussion. I'm also well aware that DotM wasn't meant to remove RoTF from Bayverse. I'm just saying that aside from the above mentioned details, there's nothing to tie RoTF to DotM. Calm down.

Rodimus Prime wrote:

Capt.Failure wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:If it wasn't for Megatron's resurrection, his damage in the final battle, and the reference made to Sam being in Egypt, and a few minor details that can be glossed over, you could watch the first film followed by DotM and not miss a beat.

You're missing the parts were:

a) The Transformers films are more self contained stories than the Star Wars films.
b) Megatron being resurrected, Sam being in Egypt and mentioning being on the FBI's wanted list, the sudden appearance of the Matrix, Megatron's damaged state. These things are not "minor details" and would make no sense if you didn't watch the previous film. DotM was not made with the intent to remove RotF from canon.

And you're missing the part where I stated if it wasn't for those details and a few minor details, RoTF could be done without. Why the hell are you being so combative, anyway? I thought we were having a civil discussion. I'm also well aware that DotM wasn't meant to remove RoTF from Bayverse. I'm just saying that aside from the above mentioned details, there's nothing to tie RoTF to DotM. Calm down.

Considering I'm neither upset, angry, and just making a point I would ask the same of you.

Capt.Failure wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:

Capt.Failure wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:If it wasn't for Megatron's resurrection, his damage in the final battle, and the reference made to Sam being in Egypt, and a few minor details that can be glossed over, you could watch the first film followed by DotM and not miss a beat.

You're missing the parts were:

a) The Transformers films are more self contained stories than the Star Wars films.
b) Megatron being resurrected, Sam being in Egypt and mentioning being on the FBI's wanted list, the sudden appearance of the Matrix, Megatron's damaged state. These things are not "minor details" and would make no sense if you didn't watch the previous film. DotM was not made with the intent to remove RotF from canon.

And you're missing the part where I stated if it wasn't for those details and a few minor details, RoTF could be done without. Why the hell are you being so combative, anyway? I thought we were having a civil discussion. I'm also well aware that DotM wasn't meant to remove RoTF from Bayverse. I'm just saying that aside from the above mentioned details, there's nothing to tie RoTF to DotM. Calm down.

Considering I'm neither upset, angry, and just making a point I would ask the same of you.

I'm calm. Just pointing your misunderstanding of my post. No biggie.

Rodimus Prime wrote:

Capt.Failure wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:

Capt.Failure wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:If it wasn't for Megatron's resurrection, his damage in the final battle, and the reference made to Sam being in Egypt, and a few minor details that can be glossed over, you could watch the first film followed by DotM and not miss a beat.

You're missing the parts were:

a) The Transformers films are more self contained stories than the Star Wars films.
b) Megatron being resurrected, Sam being in Egypt and mentioning being on the FBI's wanted list, the sudden appearance of the Matrix, Megatron's damaged state. These things are not "minor details" and would make no sense if you didn't watch the previous film. DotM was not made with the intent to remove RotF from canon.

And you're missing the part where I stated if it wasn't for those details and a few minor details, RoTF could be done without. Why the hell are you being so combative, anyway? I thought we were having a civil discussion. I'm also well aware that DotM wasn't meant to remove RoTF from Bayverse. I'm just saying that aside from the above mentioned details, there's nothing to tie RoTF to DotM. Calm down.

Considering I'm neither upset, angry, and just making a point I would ask the same of you.

I'm calm. Just pointing your misunderstanding of my post. No biggie.

Ah, ok. Text sucks at transmitting intent.

I just wish the twins and jolt could have been in DOTM. Having sentinel kill them off would have been more emotionally impacting. That, and all you twin haters would rejoice.
I LIKED THE TWINS!!!

BeastProwl wrote:I just wish the twins and jolt could have been in DOTM. Having sentinel kill them off would have been more emotionally impacting. That, and all you twin haters would rejoice.
I LIKED THE TWINS!!!

Honestly this was a complaint for me in DotM. Keeping them in, even if only to die, would have been better than leaving them out. Though a better route would have been to develop the characters but of course we're talking about the worst screenplay writers in Hollywood at the moment.

Still would have liked more of a battle between Optimus and The Fallen, but Bay was under pressure to finish up filming. Executives have a good way of ruining the potential of the films they bankroll.

Capt.Failure wrote:

BeastProwl wrote:I just wish the twins and jolt could have been in DOTM. Having sentinel kill them off would have been more emotionally impacting. That, and all you twin haters would rejoice.
I LIKED THE TWINS!!!

Honestly this was a complaint for me in DotM. Keeping them in, even if only to die, would have been better than leaving them out.

Agreed.

And you know what? I didn't mind the Twins either, even with the blatant stereotype. I'm not saying I approve of it, just saying the same as you do, I'd rather have them than not.

"Hey! That hurt!"
"It supposed to hurt! It's an asskicking!"

Though a better route would have been to develop the characters but of course we're talking about the worst screenplay writers in Hollywood at the moment.

Also agreed. Orci and Kurtzman sucked. Even though they didn't have anything to do with DotM, IIRC. Ehren Kruger? Not perfect, but much better.

Still would have liked more of a battle between Optimus and The Fallen, but Bay was under pressure to finish up filming. Executives have a good way of ruining the potential of the films they bankroll.

Yeah. Remember, their #1 priority is the bottom line of the studio. However, I thought the final battle in RoTF was long enough. Yeah, The Fallen could have gotten a little more offense in, but considering that Optimus was 'roided up, it's not implausible (by TF standards) that the fight wasn't longer. I just wish they would have given Prime better shit-talking lines than "Give me your face!" *cringe* At least he ran his mouth really good in the forest fight.

I wonder, if Prime still had Jetfire at the end of DotM, would he have fared better against Sentinel?