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I want to see what I have here. Can anyone help?

Postby grandamgt2k » Fri Apr 20, 2012 12:25 pm

I have the Starscream G1 figure and I wanted to point out some items that maybe someone can help me with. The issues I have are as follows...

* no rubsign present
* blue fists instead of black
* lighter blueish color in the nose cone, feet and afterburners
* no trademark stamp
* plastic support on canopy is different
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Re: I want to see what I have here. Can anyone help?

Postby Delicon » Fri Apr 20, 2012 12:39 pm

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Re: I want to see what I have here. Can anyone help?

Postby grandamgt2k » Fri Apr 20, 2012 1:22 pm

Not like that. Here are some pics. The figure on the bottom is the one in question. Notice the different color blue parts, the canopy, no Takara Copyright and of course no rub sign and fists are blue instead of black.
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Re: I want to see what I have here. Can anyone help?

Postby BeastProwl » Fri Apr 20, 2012 1:28 pm

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Could be a KO or a re-issue. Were's Jelze?
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Re: I want to see what I have here. Can anyone help?

Postby grandamgt2k » Fri Apr 20, 2012 1:37 pm

Could this be a pre rubsign diaclone Japan issue only?
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Re: I want to see what I have here. Can anyone help?

Postby JelZe GoldRabbit » Fri Apr 20, 2012 1:38 pm

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BeastProwl wrote:Could be a KO or a re-issue. Were's Jelze?


I'm a toy identifier, not a variant know-it-all :lol:

Anyway, I pulled out Fred's Workshop for this one and found something quite interesting:

Fred's Workshop wrote:Though covered in the Stampings and Rubbies page, it deserves a mention here. You can have several manufacturer-stampings on the jets. From a completely blank leg (the Pre-TF and first TF issue; often confused with fakes), to a Takara-only stamping, to Takara with dates, to Hasbro/Takara (Japan), and on the reissues, Hasbro/Takara (blocked dates) but CHINA. What fun.

Type 1) Pre-Tf: NO manufacturer-stamping on leg.
Type 2) TF: No manufacturer-stamping on leg.

Type 3) TF: Takara-only on leg.
Type 4) (Insert transitional stamping here.)
Type 5) TF: Hasbro/Takara shared.
Type 6) TF: G2, Hasbro/Takara (**date China).
Type 7) TF: TRU reissue, Hasbro/Takara shared (** China).


It seems the bottom one is either a Diaclone original with (repro) Transformer stickers, or a 1984 Starscream. As rubsigns were introduced in 1985 I'm suspecting the latter. Here's a little reading material:

Fred's workshop G1 Seeker variants page
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5) BW Convobat (red) & Megalligator (purple)

Also looking for any clear Arms Microns, like Shadow (Gora & R.A.), Hellflame and Shining (O.P. and R.A.).

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Re: I want to see what I have here. Can anyone help?

Postby grandamgt2k » Fri Apr 20, 2012 2:36 pm

I am concerned about this because I currently have this listed on eBay. If this turns out to be some kind of ko then I will pull the auction however if it shows merit then I will leave it. I made some of these discoveries after the auction was listed...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/180863620295?ss ... 1558.l2649
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Re: I want to see what I have here. Can anyone help?

Postby GuyIncognito » Fri Apr 20, 2012 3:24 pm

grandamgt2k wrote:I am concerned about this because I currently have this listed on eBay. If this turns out to be some kind of ko then I will pull the auction however if it shows merit then I will leave it.


If I were you, I'd leave it on eBay, and just make it clear in the description that you're not sure of the origin of the figure.
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Re: I want to see what I have here. Can anyone help?

Postby Optimum Supreme » Fri Apr 20, 2012 7:58 pm

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My Thundercracker pre-dates rub-signs and has the same type of canopy as the one in question. They reinforced them with the other type somewhere down the line, as my Dirge has the other type of canopy.

It was a good change, btw, as my TC canopy snapped off and had to be glued back in place, while the Dirge one is still completely fine.
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Re: I want to see what I have here. Can anyone help?

Postby grandamgt2k » Fri Apr 20, 2012 8:10 pm

Hey dark Optimum - thats very helpful. The only thing that bothers me about my figure in question is the lack of Takara Hasbro markings, other than that your Thundercracker sounds similar to mine.
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