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Sabrblade wrote:

Counterpunch wrote:Ringo has to stay and should be the villain. She should also be some kind of crazed yandere.

Only if she keeps her body to herself.

Wrong.

She needs to be even worse, scary worse. Ringo force-feeding flowers to people by kissing them was incredibly bizarre and scary-awesome. She should be diabolical.

Counterpunch wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Counterpunch wrote:Ringo has to stay and should be the villain. She should also be some kind of crazed yandere.

Only if she keeps her body to herself.

Wrong.

She needs to be even worse, scary worse. Ringo force-feeding flowers to people by kissing them was incredibly bizarre and scary-awesome. She should be diabolical.

I'm trying to think of ways to make people stop (blindly) hating this series. You're not exactly helping.

Sabrblade wrote:

Zombie Starscream wrote:One had some degree of gore and both showed character deaths onscreen, yet both are considered children's movies. Plus the old G1 series had one episode that showed the Decepticons getting drunk, but these aren't banned from being shown anywhere. Even the last TMNT show portrayed mature stuff.

None of these are considered too much for children, since they do things in such a way that is tasteful and handled in a serious manner. I don't think children are unable to handle things that are serious, but nowadays most people think 'grown up' stuff means tons of cheap sex jokes and swearing. Of which I do agree, children shouldn't be exposed to.

I'm talking of today's standards. Those examples are from years ago when the censors were a bit more lenient.

Plus, movies are a different medium from TV shows. They can get away with more serious stuff in an attempt to appeal to a wider audience.

Actually, the TMNT show I'm referring to was only a couple of years ago, and it shows character deaths.

While the censors might have been looser (and parents less lenient with what they considered appropriate) nowadays censors are are super strict and parents allow their kids to play GTA. So it depends on who the child is.

EDIT: Also I might want to mention this-
Even if Transformers was originally a child's show, it doesn't mean that it can't still be enjoyed by the orginal 1984 audience. It might have had simple themes back then, but seeing more complex things reflected in the show allows us to explore differant ideas and consequences like we did back when we were children. The world never stops once you grow up, it just turns into a scarier place instead.

Zombie Starscream wrote:Actually, the TMNT show I'm referring to was only a couple of years ago, and it shows character deaths.

It did not show human deaths. Any deaths seen on screen in that show were that of non-human beings that were considered inhuman enough to be "destroyed" on screen. Any legitimate human deaths were depicted off screen without any explicit use of the words death/dead/die/died/kill/killed/murder/murdered/etc. Those death were only implied rather than outright stated, in spite of their obviousness. If the subject of a human's death was ever brought up, substitute words like "slain", "fallen", "lost", and "gone" were used instead.

Personally, I think that Kiss Players should just be completely forgotten about. It was absolutely horrible, filled with weirdness...A revamp-even a completely kid-friendly one-would be giving the franchise more respect than it deserves.

A parody, on the other hand, without the weird stuff, and with role reversal (for example, the Legion are complete wusses scared of offending anyone, whilst Atari is a foul-mouthed fag-end-chewing tough-girl) could be a good idea...providing it remorselessly mocked the source material. Let's not forget that to most right-thinking Transformers fans-Japanese, western, or otherwise-Yuki Onisha is an individual worthy of contempt, and Kiss Players is a bad dream.