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Re: IDW 2014 Sneak Peek - Age of Extinction, Windblade, Dawn of the Autobots

Postby Noideaforaname » Sat Dec 28, 2013 10:30 pm

Wow, a 4-parter? Neat! And here I thought Windblade was just going to be tossed in the background or something.

"Pre-order to show your love for a brand-new unknown character" seems a bit backward, though. Guess it's necessary for comics...

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I kinda hope a Windblade Kreon actually happens. She's getting a Deluxe and a whole mini-series, might as well throw in a Kreon as well (which really doesn't even require any new molds or anything).
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Re: IDW 2014 Sneak Peek - Age of Extinction, Windblade, Dawn of the Autobots

Postby SW's SilverHammer » Sat Dec 28, 2013 10:41 pm

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Sabrblade wrote:Japan already did something indisputably awesome with the character: Turned her into a Kreon. :lol:

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But it's adorable :D
"But"? We're in agreement that this Kreon is a good thing.
It's posts like these that make me really wish we also had a "saluting" emoticon. :D


I hope someone makes that Kreon, Has/Tak, funpub, Noideaforaname; its to great (n' adorable) not to exist :lol:
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Re: IDW 2014 Sneak Peek - Age of Extinction, Windblade, Dawn of the Autobots

Postby Joetx » Sat Dec 28, 2013 11:23 pm

Sabrblade wrote:It baffles me that fan are whining about this fan-built poll winner. She's what the fans wanted, so people are essentially whining about Hasbro/IDW giving the fans what they want. :roll:


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Re: IDW 2014 Sneak Peek - Age of Extinction, Windblade, Dawn of the Autobots

Postby MasterSoundBlaster » Sun Dec 29, 2013 1:40 am

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I don't have an issue with her being a female, I don't have an issue that she's the fan made most of us wanted, my issue is that it's beginning to sound...Driftish. Both have Swords, A Japanese motif, and are being brought in via a 4-part series. There's so many different things we could base her off of, I just don't understand why we always need some ninja-or-Japanese-esque-bot to be the answer to "We need some sorta theme for our character."

I like the proposal of the Joan of Arc concept someone mentioned earlier.
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Re: IDW 2014 Sneak Peek - Age of Extinction, Windblade, Dawn of the Autobots

Postby Sabrblade » Sun Dec 29, 2013 1:50 am

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MasterSoundBlaster wrote:I don't have an issue with her being a female, I don't have an issue that she's the fan made most of us wanted, my issue is that it's beginning to sound...Driftish. Both have Swords, A Japanese motif, and are being brought in via a 4-part series.
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Re: IDW 2014 Sneak Peek - Age of Extinction, Windblade, Dawn of the Autobots

Postby Burn » Sun Dec 29, 2013 1:51 am

Yeah! She should wear scanty loincloths covering the "sensitive" areas, run around with a bullroarer that can open up portals which can teleport things and also speak with a weird Australian accent.

Oh and she should play the Didgeridoo in her spare time, 'cause you know, it's high time we had a Transformer that could actually play a musical instrument instead of those Soundwave and Blaster who have terrible taste in music.
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Re: IDW 2014 Sneak Peek - Age of Extinction, Windblade, Dawn of the Autobots

Postby Dead Metal » Sun Dec 29, 2013 6:32 am

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I'm interested to see how they'll explain her being a "cis" female Transformer.

I also don't get how people claim that Arcee is a transgendered guy bot.

In the idw verse, there are no genders, the Transformers species is genderless, Arcee was a genderless robot that was turned female in an experiment to introduce gender into the species. So, so far we have one "girl bot" and zero "guy bots".

I recon, she'll be forged from a fresh spark (maybe the Point One Percenter Brainstorm harvested?) as a female, since the TFs have since discovered genders and are on their way of evolving in that direction.

So yea, I'm interested in this series, a little annoyed by the way it's currently promoted and discussed, but exited none the less.

Maybe next idw will introduce actual male Transformers, so that Arcee and Wingblade aren't the only Transformers with gender.
But then again, this may be part of her origin, that the Transformers as a species are changed to have genders now, and she'll be the first of that new breed of natural gendered TFs.
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Re: IDW 2014 Sneak Peek - Age of Extinction, Windblade, Dawn of the Autobots

Postby ThunderThruster » Sun Dec 29, 2013 6:40 am

I have to ask, is it the character people hate, or the gender issue being raised with the character?

How can anybody say they hate the character of WindBlade, when we don't even know what her character will be. Yes, we've seen the designs, and if that's not your cup of tea, fine, but you cant base your decision about liking her character, when it hasn't yet been presented.


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Re: IDW 2014 Sneak Peek - Age of Extinction, Windblade, Dawn of the Autobots

Postby MR Optimus Prime » Sun Dec 29, 2013 7:03 am

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Mairghread Scott is writing the new TF Wingblade, great for her. WE FANS chose the character to be female. Why does she need to try to justify how or why this robot is female. We had plenty of female robots in EVERY toy line when I was a child with no explanations required. Wingblade being female is not some monumental event that needs to have have a statement to stand on or be promoted. Simon Furman's Arcee story was wonderful in its own right.
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Re: IDW 2014 Sneak Peek - Age of Extinction, Windblade, Dawn of the Autobots

Postby Noideaforaname » Sun Dec 29, 2013 12:07 pm

If "he/him/his" was EVER used to refer to a Transformer, then Transformer gender already exists. "He/him/his" isn't gender-neutral.
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Re: IDW 2014 Sneak Peek - Age of Extinction, Windblade, Dawn of the Autobots

Postby Dead Metal » Sun Dec 29, 2013 12:19 pm

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Noideaforaname wrote:If "he/him/his" was EVER used to refer to a Transformer, then Transformer gender already exists. "He/him/his" isn't gender-neutral.

Addressed in Spotlight Arcee.
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Re: IDW 2014 Sneak Peek - Age of Extinction, Windblade, Dawn of the Autobots

Postby Va'al » Sun Dec 29, 2013 12:28 pm

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Dead Metal wrote:
Noideaforaname wrote:If "he/him/his" was EVER used to refer to a Transformer, then Transformer gender already exists. "He/him/his" isn't gender-neutral.

Addressed in Spotlight Arcee.


Very, very badly. Why is the default 'he' to begin with, for example?
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Re: IDW 2014 Sneak Peek - Age of Extinction, Windblade, Dawn of the Autobots

Postby Deathscythetransform » Sun Dec 29, 2013 12:41 pm

I just dont understand why people are so upset about windblade.

fembots have always been popular, ever since Elita-1, Chromia, Firestar and Moonracer were introduced. They introduced Arcee (the greatest fembot of all) in TF the movie in 1986, then Airazor and Blackarachnia in Beast Wars, then Botanica in Beast Machines... we didn't get a fembot after that until Energon (RID's TAI doesnt count since she was holographic ) with a new arcee, then in Cybertron with Override and Thunderblast.
We had a failed under-used trio of fembots in ROTF, but then we got animated with a new blackarachnia and that Sari-girl I didnt like at all... and an amnesiac Arcee... and then the feminine part of Starscream in the name of Slipstream...
then came TF prime with yet another Arcee, more badass then previous ones, then came Airachnid...

and that goes without counting the generic toys we've got that were represented as fembots. hell we even had a redeco of classics mirage name fracture who was an hommage to gobot's crasher...

So it is safe to say that fembots were very popular and exploring their origins further isn't mandatory.

Now back to Windblade.
The name may sound silly and would be better if it was WINGblade instead of WIND...
and the Kabuki paints arent my favorite feature either... but as one of our fellow here, its a nice nod to Nijikia...

so please keep in mind that the fans made this fembot happen. This may sound crazy, but WE created this, not hasbro.
Hasbro, for once, did what the fans wanted: they basically said created the figure, we will make it into a toy...

of course, I am one of the crowd saying that a classics/generation G1 based Arcee toy needs to happen pretty damn soon though, and I would have prefferd if they did this instead of letting us create Windblade, but still, I am looking forward to get this toy and see what will happen with it in the future :)
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Re: IDW 2014 Sneak Peek - Age of Extinction, Windblade, Dawn of the Autobots

Postby Deathscythetransform » Sun Dec 29, 2013 12:44 pm

ThunderThruster wrote:I have to ask, is it the character people hate, or the gender issue being raised with the character?

How can anybody say they hate the character of WindBlade, when we don't even know what her character will be. Yes, we've seen the designs, and if that's not your cup of tea, fine, but you cant base your decision about liking her character, when it hasn't yet been presented.


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^This is pretty much what I run with, hassle free and simple.
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oh hell ya!!! and that proves that fembots have their place in our universe...

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Re: IDW 2014 Sneak Peek - Age of Extinction, Windblade, Dawn of the Autobots

Postby craggy » Sun Dec 29, 2013 12:49 pm

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Seibertron wrote:I hate seeing this discussion. Let me make it really simple for everyone. There are Transformers who have male appearances, speech, and mannerisms and there are Transformers who have female appearances, speech, and mannerisms. They don't reproduce in a method with which we are familiar. It's really that simple.

Some things are best left not overcomplicating.

To those of you who are all about Transformers needing to be genderless, Transformers would become a pretty challenging and boring concept to read about a bunch of genderless robots who much be referred to without words such as him, his, her, hers, he, she, etc. Not to mention if you got your wish, I have a feeling that you guys would be bitching up a storm if a genderless Optimus Prime had a female voice actor or some other non-manly voice.

I'll take my Transformers as hims and hers. And I don't need to put any more thought into than that sentence to enjoy a fictional universe based off a child's toy brand. Thanks.

my thoughts exactly, never has sexuality had any part of transformers, male/female relationships sure but nothing more :APPLAUSE:
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Re: IDW 2014 Sneak Peek - Age of Extinction, Windblade, Dawn of the Autobots

Postby Dead Metal » Sun Dec 29, 2013 12:55 pm

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Va'al wrote:
Dead Metal wrote:
Noideaforaname wrote:If "he/him/his" was EVER used to refer to a Transformer, then Transformer gender already exists. "He/him/his" isn't gender-neutral.

Addressed in Spotlight Arcee.


Very, very badly. Why is the default 'he' to begin with, for example?

Why doesn't the English language have a gender neutral but still personal version of he/she? :P
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Re: IDW 2014 Sneak Peek - Age of Extinction, Windblade, Dawn of the Autobots

Postby craggy » Sun Dec 29, 2013 1:19 pm

Dead Metal wrote:
Va'al wrote:
Dead Metal wrote:
Noideaforaname wrote:If "he/him/his" was EVER used to refer to a Transformer, then Transformer gender already exists. "He/him/his" isn't gender-neutral.

Addressed in Spotlight Arcee.


Very, very badly. Why is the default 'he' to begin with, for example?

Why doesn't the English language have a gender neutral but still personal version of he/she? :P

well that's easy, all the people we've encountered in the creation of the language have been a gender.
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Re: IDW 2014 Sneak Peek - Age of Extinction, Windblade, Dawn of the Autobots

Postby Dead Metal » Sun Dec 29, 2013 1:34 pm

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craggy wrote:
Dead Metal wrote:
Va'al wrote:
Dead Metal wrote:
Noideaforaname wrote:If "he/him/his" was EVER used to refer to a Transformer, then Transformer gender already exists. "He/him/his" isn't gender-neutral.

Addressed in Spotlight Arcee.


Very, very badly. Why is the default 'he' to begin with, for example?

Why doesn't the English language have a gender neutral but still personal version of he/she? :P

well that's easy, all the people we've encountered in the creation of the language have been a gender.

Exactly, that's the reason for :P

You can't really fault Furman for having to resort to he/she if there is no other way of doing it.
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Re: IDW 2014 Sneak Peek - Age of Extinction, Windblade, Dawn of the Autobots

Postby Sabrblade » Sun Dec 29, 2013 1:58 pm

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Back when we quoted Ms. Scott's posts from her Tumblr, there were two more on this subject that did not get quoted here. And with the talk of Spotlight: Arcee why one would need to explain Windblade's gender, I feel these would contribute to this talk.

kaijuguy19 wrote:What are your thoughts on the IDW Arcee origin that Furman made?

Okay, this question has come up a lot and it’s time to finally answer.

In a vacuum, Furman’s story is completely legitimate. The idea that someone is fundamentally changed against their will and struggles/rages against that is a really interesting idea. In fact, I wrote a very similar thing with the Dinobots. It taps into a deep human fear that God exists and is apathetic to/causes our pain.

Also dealing with characters that are literally alien naturally leads writers to play with/explore what aspects of humanity do and do not translate: are they alive? does Primus really equate to God if they have concrete knowledge of his existance? what does it mean to be male/female in a non-reproductive species?

The issues I have with Furman’s choice is that we don’t exist in a vacuum and the suggestion that 1. women only exist in aberration 2. being a women is inherently traumatic 3. being a women has any correlation to mental illness are extremely upsetting. Do I think Furman was trying to make a statement about human women with Arcee’s origins? No. In fact, the largest share of blame lies with the tokenization of women in the brand in general. If Arcee was one of many women transformers and she became female in this manner, it would not be an issue for women writ large (although still troubling for the transgender community). It is because she is the ONLY women (and that this story ensures that she will ALWAYS BE the only woman) that Arcee’s story becomes untenable.

Hopefully John, James and I have come up with a way around this Gordian Knot that will satisfy the fan-base, but satisfying-or-no, the most immediate imperative is to ENSURE this story does not continue to keep women readers, fans and characters at arm’s length from the brand. I’ve often said that everyone should feel that they are allowed to like Transformers and it is my complete and utter privilege to take this next step to make that happen.

TLDR version: Arcee’s origin is offensive because we don’t have any other female origins to balance it. We’re working on it, stay tuned.

PS To fans that still claim Transformers are asexual: Academically, you have legitimate standing, but practically, ask yourself this: Jazz has been voice by actors from three different races over the years. If, in the next video game, Jazz was voiced by a woman, would you feel the character had been changed at all? If so, you do not perceive Transformers to be asexual. If not, you are a rare, rare bird indeed.

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Thanks for your comment, and you are right that ‘gender nuetral’ would have been a more accurate term. However, I would argue that fans talking about Transformers being ‘asexual’ aren’t wrong. I think they (like I), do actually mean the dictionary definition of ‘lacking sex or sex organs,' but they (and I) are just also lumping gender-nuetrality into that. I admit this is a cisgender-normative (is that the right word?) point of view and will work to be mindful of that in the future. I’m already plowing through the 47 page GLAAD document on correct LGBT terminology, but it may take me a while to get used to all this.

On a lighter note: Really, GLAAD? 47 pages? I am NEVER going to get this right!

On a serious note again: I will try to get this right and would love if you (that’s all of you, Internet) would please keep helping me. English is my profession, after all, and I want to be as precise with it as possible. Although I will have to take some time off to actually write the comic. ;)

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Re: IDW 2014 Sneak Peek - Age of Extinction, Windblade, Dawn of the Autobots

Postby Burn » Sun Dec 29, 2013 2:05 pm

I get the impression she keeps digging the hole she's in deeper and deeper.

Maybe stop trying to justify yourself and let the book come out and THEN explain things?

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Re: IDW 2014 Sneak Peek - Age of Extinction, Windblade, Dawn of the Autobots

Postby Va'al » Sun Dec 29, 2013 2:28 pm

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Sabrblade wrote:Back when we quoted Ms. Scott's posts from her Tumblr, there were two more on this subject that did not get quoted here. And with the talk of Spotlight: Arcee why one would need to explain Windblade's gender, I feel these would contribute to this talk.


They weren't quoted directly, but I did link to them in the news post. ;)
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Re: IDW 2014 Sneak Peek - Age of Extinction, Windblade, Dawn of the Autobots

Postby Dead Metal » Sun Dec 29, 2013 2:29 pm

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What I don't get is why make such a huge deal out of this.

We had a fan poll, the result of the fan poll was a new female TF.

Since it's slated to come out at during the 3oth anniversary which is part of the idw based incarnation of the Generations line, she gets to be in a comic to promote the toy.

Yay, new female character, and seeing how this was the result of a fan poll, I would say the fans have shown that we wouldn't mind more female TFs.

So why the hell make it seem like this is supposed to fight for equality and everything? I mean couldn't she have just said this story if about the new character and how she came to be and will tie into a new origin for female Transformers in the idw verse since the current one is offensive?


If this is supposed to be inclusive and equal, introduce some male TFs in this series as well, since so far we have zero male tfs in the idw-verse, but two female TFs.
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Re: IDW 2014 Sneak Peek - Age of Extinction, Windblade, Dawn of the Autobots

Postby Va'al » Sun Dec 29, 2013 2:33 pm

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She's not making a big deal out of it, she's posting on her Tumblr about how she's defining her work and the preparation involved in it and how she wants to relate to and deal with the fans in an inclusive way.

It *is* a big deal that this is the first female character who is not a deviation or aberration or experiment in the IDW continuity, that it's both a woman writing and a woman drawing, and that it's the result of a fan poll!

Please do not use the 'what about the menz' argument here, as we're clearly missing the whole point if that's what we're resorting to. The whole universe/franchise is gendered, with the balance in favour of the male side of the issue, even though they are allegedly genderless. Yes, because of the English language and its gendered properties with personal pronouns, but that nonetheless the status quo and a fact. There are alternatives to those pronouns, such as these, but they can be alienating to some readers.

Again, and I will eventually give up on this: the gender issue was made into an issue with the pronoun explanation and character creation (as deviation) in Spotlight: Arcee. Had that not been executed as it was, there would probably not be the need for introducing more characters with an overly complicated explanation - which, as a reminder, Scott is *not* going to use in the comic, but is using in her discussions with us, the informed, interested and socially aware readers.
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Re: IDW 2014 Sneak Peek - Age of Extinction, Windblade, Dawn of the Autobots

Postby Dead Metal » Sun Dec 29, 2013 3:06 pm

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Va'al wrote:She's not making a big deal out of it, she's posting on her Tumblr about how she's defining her work and the preparation involved in it and how she wants to relate to and deal with the fans in an inclusive way.

It *is* a big deal that this is the first female character who is not a deviation or aberration or experiment in the IDW continuity, that it's both a woman writing and a woman drawing, and that it's the result of a fan poll!

Please do not use the 'what about the menz' argument here, as we're clearly missing the whole point if that's what we're resorting to. The whole universe/franchise is gendered, with the balance in favour of the male side of the issue, even though they are allegedly genderless. Yes, because of the English language and its gendered properties with personal pronouns, but that nonetheless the status quo and a fact.

No, I can use that here since it's relevant and accurate.
This comic is set in the idw G1 universe, in which unlike other incarnations, the Transformers species is genderless. Which has been made even more obvious with MTMTE. They have no gender, and gender is a foreign concept to them, something they only know from biological species.

Arcee's origin is that Jhiaxus decided to emulate biological species, and introduce genders into the species. The first victim of that experiment we got to see was Arcee, but nowhere does it state she was the only victim, for all we know that experiment yielded a number of females and males, which would be pretty interesting to explore.

This is all in the context to the universe this takes place in, if this was say the Aligned, Movie, Armada, etc continuity I can understand the need for this approach, but seeing how it's set in the genderless incarnation, it just comes off as belittling.

The whole TF franchise needs more female characters, this incarnation here however has two females, zero males, and millions of genderless Transformers.

Coming in here and claiming it's not inclusive enough and stating they're going to fix that by introducing a handful of new female characters with a comic that was commissioned to sell a toy, comes across as somewhat offensive actually.
It almost seems like it's trying to associate itself with other actual causes for equality and inclusiveness, like video games, TV shows, the work place, the comic industry.

Again, if this was any other continuity, I wouldn't have a problem, but this one here is exactly the wrong incarnation for this approach.

This is as if someone wrote a story set in the Ultimate Marvel universe and introduced a new Jewish Supervillain and tried to make a huge deal out of this because there are too many Nazi based Supervillains in the Classic Marvel universe.
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Re: IDW 2014 Sneak Peek - Age of Extinction, Windblade, Dawn of the Autobots

Postby Sabrblade » Sun Dec 29, 2013 3:11 pm

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Dead Metal wrote:This comic is set in the idw G1 universe, in which unlike other incarnations, the Transformers species is genderless.
And Marvel G1. ;)
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