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[Va'al]

The art for this issue was so amazing and detailed. It was like nothing seen before and it captured everything dark and dangerous so well.

If I'm honest: no.
It had a little too many silly moments (see Power Rangers comment above), and I'd like IDW to STAY AWAY from what the Legends comics are doing. Just, no, please.

[Randomhero]

I wish I could like tailgate but I'm really not feeling it. It really feels like James is starting to get his ideas from the fanfic section of tumblr.

[Randomhero]

The art for this issue was so amazing and detailed. It was like nothing seen before and it captured everything dark and dangerous so well.

If I'm honest: no.
It had a little too many silly moments (see Power Rangers comment above), and I'd like IDW to STAY AWAY from what the Legends comics are doing. Just, no, please.

I agree with you on that. The one that pulled me out were the two guards at the beginning. Their guns are the size of them and their proportions are all the over the place.

[ctrlFrequency]

I wish I could like tailgate but I'm really not feeling it. It really feels like James is starting to get his ideas from the fanfic section of tumblr.

Sorry D-Max, I gotta go with Randomhero on this one. Tailgate started great but suddenly... superpowers! Super strength! Super speed! Invincibility! He 'evolved'! (This smacks of XMen)

I liked Tailgate as he was. He gave us a different perspective of the events. Now he's super cool fanboi pumped up just cause...

[D-Maximal_Primal]

Understandable reasonings and I can see them and hear you guys.

To me, there may have been those silly moments, but when you have basically 2 large sections dedicated to guys turning themselves inside out and another scene where 50 some guys are melted down and someone loses their faith that is where the art was good for me.

And while Tailgate did start off young, naive and easily tricked, it feels like a natural progression that he is developing. maybe not necessarily the way he did, but the progression was bound to happen. If he was always that little annoying naive guy, there would be a different set of complaints. Now making him a Mini-Hulk is something I never saw coming and is very far out there, but we did receive hints that he was a point-one percenter, his 6 millions years of radiation from the planet, Cyclonus' recharged spark reviving him, time travel and quantum travel, it all did have a point that it finally got to

[Randomhero]

Tailgate is jimmy Olson and nobody wants jimmy Olson to become superman and now he is and it annoys me.

[ctrlFrequency]

I can agree, whole heartedly, that a character must grow. Remaining static in an ongoing story is poor writing.

However, previously everyone grew at a different pace. Slowly, as you would expect. But lately it's been major change.

Previously the story with Cyclonus and Tailgate took time, they grew, they changed, and they did it at a pace that didn’t seem... jarring and out of the blue. It was natural and felt real.

No keeping Tailgate naive would have been bad, but his perspective will always be different from his experiences, he missed so much life and war, he will always have an outside view. And that's what makes him special, his view as someone who did not have to live through the horror.

The super powers feel trope-y.

Even though I feel Megatron's change was a bit jarring (and still don't like it, but I can accept it as the character growing and realizing he had strayed from his original beliefs) at least it was less suoer...

If you like mini hulk Tailgate, great i'm not going to convince you it's wrong, we all are entitled to opinions I just think it was handled wrong. But the whole issue was. I still believe it was rushed and that's the reason why it feels wrong.

[D-Maximal_Primal]

I feel that after the time travel tales, there was realization that there was more to put to rest before Dying of the Light than was realized, not to mention the loss of 2 pages per issue. The way things had been handled, I think this was supposed to be a bit more gradual, but the big 50th issue took precedence and things sped up just a bit, and seems to be consistent with all the comics that came out within the past month or 2. They all felt a bit pressed for speed, and I think it had to deal with wanting to settle more stuff than previously thought in time for the big storylines to basically end "Season 2."

And, despite the sudden shift and the abnormality of it, I like Mini-Hulk

[ctrlFrequency]

Filthy Autobot, you would like it

I agree, everything is rushed, I don't like it. I wish Roberts could have waited to give the stories their proper time.

[D-Maximal_Primal]

Filthy Autobot, you would like it

I agree, everything is rushed, I don't like it. I wish Roberts could have waited to give the stories their proper time.

Evil Megatron: I have an army
Optimus: [i]We have a Hulk MiniHulk Tailgate!

Given 4 or 5 more issues, I feel the last 2 or 3 storylines could have been done better, but hey, DJD v. Lost Light! Something to look forward to, not to mention it comes out in 2 weeks (supposed to) and it is a double issue

[Randomhero]

Filthy Autobot, you would like it

I agree, everything is rushed, I don't like it. I wish Roberts could have waited to give the stories their proper time.

Evil Megatron: I have an army
Optimus: [i]We have a Hulk MiniHulk Tailgate!

Given 4 or 5 more issues, I feel the last 2 or 3 storylines could have been done better, but hey, DJD v. Lost Light! Something to look forward to, not to mention it comes out in 2 weeks (supposed to) and it is a double issue

Just pray it's not DJD on one side and lost light on another and they're charging at each other AND then it goes to 4-6 pages of a small group talking about how they feel then ONE PAGE OF FIGHT(!!!!) 4 more pages of standing and talking. Then ONE MORE PAGE OF A BATTLE(!!!!!) then comic ends with people talking.

[D-Maximal_Primal]

Filthy Autobot, you would like it

I agree, everything is rushed, I don't like it. I wish Roberts could have waited to give the stories their proper time.

Evil Megatron: I have an army
Optimus: [i]We have a Hulk MiniHulk Tailgate!

Given 4 or 5 more issues, I feel the last 2 or 3 storylines could have been done better, but hey, DJD v. Lost Light! Something to look forward to, not to mention it comes out in 2 weeks (supposed to) and it is a double issue

Just pray it's not DJD on one side and lost light on another and they're charging at each other AND then it goes to 4-6 pages of a small group talking about how they feel then ONE PAGE OF FIGHT(!!!!) 4 more pages of standing and talking. Then ONE MORE PAGE OF A BATTLE(!!!!!) then comic ends with people talking.

I'm waiting for "Tailgate!....smash!" to come out....and then Defensor shows up.

I think it is gonna take at least 2 or 3 issues for the DJD and Lost Light to actually come to blows really. And when it does, I want an all out battle. Battle banter is welcomed, and maybe a stare down or 2, but I'm ready for space wars

[Randomhero]

Filthy Autobot, you would like it

I agree, everything is rushed, I don't like it. I wish Roberts could have waited to give the stories their proper time.

Evil Megatron: I have an army
Optimus: [i]We have a Hulk MiniHulk Tailgate!

Given 4 or 5 more issues, I feel the last 2 or 3 storylines could have been done better, but hey, DJD v. Lost Light! Something to look forward to, not to mention it comes out in 2 weeks (supposed to) and it is a double issue

Just pray it's not DJD on one side and lost light on another and they're charging at each other AND then it goes to 4-6 pages of a small group talking about how they feel then ONE PAGE OF FIGHT(!!!!) 4 more pages of standing and talking. Then ONE MORE PAGE OF A BATTLE(!!!!!) then comic ends with people talking.

I'm waiting for "Tailgate!....smash!" to come out....and then Defensor shows up.

I think it is gonna take at least 2 or 3 issues for the DJD and Lost Light to actually come to blows really. And when it does, I want an all out battle. Battle banter is welcomed, and maybe a stare down or 2, but I'm ready for space wars

Just don't get your hopes up. The example I just made is every action sequence in MTMTE. Build up, move away, pop in for a page than spend a ton of time some where else. That was remain in light, the overlord fight, even the recent scavengers story had grimlock busting through a door and attacking fort max only to cut away to the scavengers standing out talking and then showing up to break up the fight. That is Roberts formula and that is why I am worried everyone is building up this big fight with DJD and the lost light and tarn vs Megatron and were probably not even going to see it because it's gonna start, cut away and show it ending with one panel or page snippets through out.


Just don't try to envision and huge confrontation that we won't be getting

[Randomhero]

And let's not kid ourselves with tailgate growling as a character and become less naive. He's been in the door since issue one m, some several heroic things and learned many lesson yet less than 24 hours ago(comic time) he tried to inject Megatron with what he thought was an anti-evil virus.

The kid has animated bumblebee syndrome. He doesn't really learn from mistakes.

He's not gonna "hulk out" and be a backup plan. He's gonna abuse his gift, get someone really hurt that he cares about and we're gonna have to spend an issue with someone telling him "with great power comes great responsibility" -puke-

[D-Maximal_Primal]

Something to remember too: With Overlord it was just one guy, so it could cutaway, same with Sunder. When it came to something like the Dark cybertron there was more action and less cutaway, and Roberts had a hand in all of that, and there were lots of guys.

I see it as this is basically a whole ship vs. a whole ship, not a ship vs. one or a few guys like the past. Until the ammonites and the return home, there was really no large cybertronian force to act against. and considering this will be a larger force, I can see there being more focus being on individuals or groups dueling. And when it came to the Lockdown battle of issue 18, it wasn't a fight but more running away as they could not really fight. but it still ran with it.

I like to think that something like this can be handled like that. Roberts is no slouch and he is a good story teller. And I am prepared for storytelling during those issues. Action is not the only thing that is brought up and used during a fight.

long story short: that is my dream, i am prepared for fights with words and not actions, but i also believe we will get that fight that has been so long hinted at

[Randomhero]

Remember that battle with Hedonia? Huge battle with the lost light and and army of decepticons? 3 pages of that fight and the rest was either the post battle or tailgate and rewind talking while refusing a bomb. Or the same decepticons trying to free megaton during the trial? We saw two punches thrown and then it was over

[ctrlFrequency]

A knock down, drag out fight would be glorious. However, I reserve judgement either way. Since I can not predict the the future, I will simply hope for the best but not get too excited either way.

[D-Maximal_Primal]

Remember that battle with Hedonia? Huge battle with the lost light and and army of decepticons? 3 pages of that fight and the rest was either the post battle or tailgate and rewind talking while refusing a bomb. Or the same decepticons trying to free megaton during the trial? We saw two punches thrown and then it was over

Hedonia, yes that was a battle, but it was one where there were no major con players. it was basically like the prime autobots vs a pack of vehicons. And then the prison break was that same group of general unknowns with no real big part in any storyline other than being locked up barging into an arena packed with autobots (and neutrals yes), so no matter what that was more grab and run, not meant to be a fight.
What we will have here are 5 large characters described as being the big bads of the comic thus far coupled with a fierce con and his army, and that was made known. Plus this isn't just a skirmish like the Hedonia battle or a smash and grab like the prison break. this is 5 issues of big bad versus good, and big bad has an army. and the whole point of the big bads is to kill, not incapacitate (like Tyrest).

I can see your points though, don't think I'm ignoring them.

[D-Maximal_Primal]

A knock down, drag out fight would be glorious. However, I reserve judgement either way. Since I can not predict the the future, I will simply hope for the best but not get too excited either way.

Sorry, I saw this after I posted. I too want that fight, and see how it could work and why it should, but there is always the chance it won't be, and i will be a bit sad, but I will not be disappointed. I like the book, and Roberts can take things so many ways that even when it doesn't make complete sense it can work.

I do agree with you though. I will hold final judgement, but it can go both ways. I just want one a bit more than the other

[Randomhero]

It's something that's really frustrating. James doesn't seem to know how to write action. When it comes to sad robots talking about heir feelings? Sure he excels at that but when it comes to action it's gotta be fluffed with other people standing around Distracting you from a huge action scene that were not seeing

[ctrlFrequency]

A knock down, drag out fight would be glorious. However, I reserve judgement either way. Since I can not predict the the future, I will simply hope for the best but not get too excited either way.

Sorry, I saw this after I posted. I too want that fight, and see how it could work and why it should, but there is always the chance it won't be, and i will be a bit sad, but I will not be disappointed. I like the book, and Roberts can take things so many ways that even when it doesn't make complete sense it can work.

I do agree with you though. I will hold final judgement, but it can go both ways. I just want one a bit more than the other

no worries! I didn't add much!

I like the way Roberts writes. I think he does a great job. And I do think there needs to be more than just "err fight! Death!" To a fight. You Have To Bring An Emotion to it, even if it'S anger, but that needs to be dialoged in.

I.just never like to build myself up to let myself down (the solicits do that all well enough for me!)

[D-Maximal_Primal]

I.just never like to build myself up to let myself down (the solicits do that all well enough for me!)

this is very true. Like issue 29 with Tailgate and Megs (which never happened). But I am ok with some hype, as it gives me a chance to think it all out and then see what actually happens and see how it ends up different. I'm good with it not ending up how I want though. This is all someone elses designs and I am just spending the money to enjoy it

It's something that's really frustrating. James doesn't seem to know how to write action. When it comes to sad robots talking about heir feelings? Sure he excels at that but when it comes to action it's gotta be fluffed with other people standing around Distracting you from a huge action scene that were not seeing

I will give you this. His stories are very successful due mainly to plot, and the plot is really what has driven the book. his action has been lacking, but then again, he is trying to write about 200 some characters who have just found peace after 4 million years of war, so it is a bit more rehabilition and not war as it had been. the war isn't speeding up, it's stopped save some who don't want to quit. So yes, I do agree with you about lacking action, but if anything his is more the story than the show.

[Randomhero]

I don't even really care about the Megatron vs tarn fight anymore. After the scene with tarantulas and prowl over Ostaros with tarantulas about to just tear into prowl and instead he breaks down infront him. I'd rather have something like that. Especially with Soundwave being so heartbroken with Megatron and him not even wanting to go after Megatron makes me want more from the two than just "you betrayed us you need to die!"

[Mr Skram]

So, I just read about 66 issues in the span of a week(Last Stand of the Wreckers, MTMTE, and the Dark Cybertron crossover event) ending with MTMTE #49 last night. I was slightly underwhelmed with how the Sunder thing played out. Tailgate suddenly gaining super powers to save the day? The only way that'll sit well with me is if it correlates to Tarn(aka Roller) gaining his outlier ability later in life somehow? I recall he mentioned something about when his abilities developed, but I don't remember which issue exactly. The two bots known for wanting to be special(if Tarn is indeed Roller) end up in the showdown rather than Tarn v Megs. Tailgate stepping in to protect the now pacifist co-captain from the DJD. I suppose Skids will have a big part to play as well since his flashbacks have been ramping up to a Tarn encounter.


All of that is a side note compared to the real question this issue brought up: Was the Rod Pod 2.0 destroyed when Tailgate threw it? And if so, will the glorious machine be rebuilt a third time or will Rodimus accept the fate of his beloved face-ship?

[ctrlFrequency]

All of that is a side note compared to the real question this issue brought up: Was the Rod Pod 2.0 destroyed when Tailgate threw it? And if so, will the glorious machine be rebuilt a third time or will Rodimus accept the fate of his beloved face-ship?

We can only hope that The Ego accepts that (if it's destroyed) that the universe is too small to contain that much glory (God let's hope... please!)