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Re: IDW Transformers vs. G.I. Joe Ongoing Thread

Postby Wolfguard » Wed Jun 25, 2014 12:42 am

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Re: IDW Transformers vs. G.I. Joe Ongoing Thread

Postby Dead Metal » Wed Jun 25, 2014 2:44 am

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The artwork looks a heck of a lot like that of boardmember of old GrimSqueaker.
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Re: IDW Transformers vs. G.I. Joe Ongoing Thread

Postby gothsaurus » Wed Jun 25, 2014 9:57 am

I have to say... after reading the first one (and understanding it's a bit of a playful, joke comic)... I'm loving this series. The retro art and inside jokes really made me laugh... and feel like a child in the 80s again.

It was off putting at first, but by the time I reached the end of the comic I was sold.
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IDW Transformers vs G.I. Joe #1 Preview

Postby Va'al » Mon Jul 21, 2014 11:52 am

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The IDW comics have been taking a couple of breaks this month, but with this final week of July, they definitely catch up! Check out below a full preview,via Newsarama, for the first offering: the truly bonkers Transformers vs G.I. Joe #1! (And head back here on Wednesday to find out if we have finally formed an opinion on it..)

Transformers VS G.I. JOE #1—SPOTLIGHT
Tom Scioli & John Barber (w) • Scioli (a & c)
SPACE WAR I! Earth makes contact with an alien race—and G.I. JOE is on the front lines of first contact! But when the TRANSFORMERS arrive—their version of “peace” does not match our own…
FC • 32 pages • $3.99

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Variant cover by Rob Liefeld!
Launching out of the smash-hit FREE COMIC BOOK DAY comic!
ALL NEW STORY, ALL NEW ART!


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Re: IDW Transformers vs. G.I. Joe Ongoing Thread

Postby 1984forever » Mon Jul 21, 2014 5:14 pm

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But otherwise, I like this and I will buy ( and probably complain).
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Re: IDW Transformers vs. G.I. Joe Ongoing Thread

Postby Bleak5170 » Tue Jul 22, 2014 5:15 am

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Never in my almost 40 years of reading comics has an art style turned me off so much. I could see this working for another comic or a kid's storybook, but it just doesn't fit G.I. Joe or the Transformers at all.
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Re: IDW Transformers vs. G.I. Joe Ongoing Thread

Postby gothsaurus » Tue Jul 22, 2014 7:53 am

I think you have to be an older fan to really appreciate these... having read comics for a good 35 years, I can recognize that this art is homaging a different era of comics... and see it as the tongue-in-cheek, funny project it is.

But for younger or casual fans, it would look really childish and odd. Maybe after reading the trade paperbacks of all the 80s TF comics and the excellent UK series you could warm up to it and see the humor?
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Re: IDW Transformers vs. G.I. Joe Ongoing Thread

Postby Va'al » Tue Jul 22, 2014 7:58 am

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I'm still getting my head around it, with a mixture of amusement, bemusement and confusion.

It's just so wacky in its scope!
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Re: IDW Transformers vs. G.I. Joe Ongoing Thread

Postby Darth Jumpy » Tue Jul 22, 2014 8:02 am

Ignoring the artwork, I enjoyed issue 0. The humor worked pretty well. I'll pick up this comic, but I do hope that they do something about the art eventually. I get that it is a homage, but the art that they are referencing never had this many issues, especially with the perspective.

Also, I hope that they stop making everything in red, including the speech bubbles, in the briefing room scenes. Trying to read black on dark red in this preview was just painful.
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Re: IDW Transformers vs. G.I. Joe Ongoing Thread

Postby gothsaurus » Tue Jul 22, 2014 8:10 am

Yeah, I admit I kinda hated it until I read it. About 2/3 through I started to "get it" and by the end I was having a lot of fun. I think it's a good gimmick for a limited series. If they do an ongoing Joe/TF series, I'd want a serious reboot and some modern art.

That said, I really loved the older Dreamwave crossover that was so dark and painterly. It was really gritty. But I digress...
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Re: IDW Transformers vs. G.I. Joe Ongoing Thread

Postby Va'al » Tue Jul 22, 2014 8:15 am

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I'd agree on the mini-series idea, rather than ongoing. But we'll see what happens to it after the initial run.

First issue is already on second printing!
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Re: IDW Transformers vs. G.I. Joe Ongoing Thread

Postby Downbeat » Wed Jul 23, 2014 2:55 am

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I'm twenty one years old, and I'm digging on what's going on here. It isn't so much age as exposure to the material they're riffing on/basing it on that's a necessity, I think. Kirby, classic comics from the 70s and 80s, etc. It's an ungodly, beautiful chimera.
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IDW Transformers vs. G.I. Joe #1 Review

Postby Va'al » Wed Jul 23, 2014 4:36 pm

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Space Balls!
(Spoiler free-ish)



Synopsis
SPACE WAR I! Earth makes contact with an alien race—and G.I. JOE is on the front lines of first contact! But when the TRANSFORMERS arrive—their version of “peace” does not match our own…

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Or maybe it does..?


Story

On a completely different note, artistically, thematically, tonally, from the concluding issue of Windblade... This week also marks the beginning of a new Transformers vs G.I. Joe ongoing from the mind and hands of John Barber and Tom Scioli, co-plotting and co-writing the whole run (as far as we know, at least). We've seen issue #0, but come along for a look at the actual start of a new thing right below here.

[Credit: Tigertrack is remotely helping out with this review, though all conclusions are my own.]

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It's still completely out there. Nothing has shifted since Free Comic Book Day, as Barber and Scioli plot the arrival of Cybertronians onto Earth, as the Joes set out to meet a Decepticon delegation headed by Soundwave and the cassettes. Where is Cobra? Oh, they're there. Where are the Autobots? Do is it really matter at this point, with Soundwave taking centre stage?

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Bay or Liefeld?


Plot-wise, there's a simplicity which might turn some people off the book, almost going back to the original cartoon plots from the two series - but in comics form, revelling in the creative spaces left from a stripped down narrative. There are sight gags, wordplay moments, slapstick, and some quite good action sequences, too.

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The countdown sequence in particular is well thought out, and really shows the decompressed, almost slowed down to the bare minimum approach that the writers are taking. And we end up picking up a plotline started in issue #0, almost to its conclusion, along with what I think is an extremely intriguing ending to the book. Both of them.

Art

Ok. So Tom Scioli is taking care of absolutely everything here, from layouts to lines to inks to colours to lettering, this is his book definitely a lot more than Barber's, and it's his vision of the two franchises that we're seeing, with his artistic tendencies and influences coming into it - and that will work two ways with readers: yes, or no.

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A divisive issue


I can't see a middle ground, to be honest, the style does not allow for it. And I have to say, after getting my head round issue #0, I've come to enjoy this one a lot more than jumping into the cold deep end straight away - though I think another one to fully enjoy it. Credit note: even with Scioli on everything, I do want to make a note towards Chris Mowry's production work on this, especially the page design, and Carlos Guzman on editing, which cannot have been easy.

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As SDCC is coinciding with the launch of the new series in this first issue, multiple variant covers were to be expected; here's a list of what you can get: Rob Liefeld with Romulo Fajardo Jr, James Stokoe, several Tom Scioli ones, Jamie Tyndall with Ula Mos, interlocking, single, blank, GI Joe dominant, TF dominant - you name it! It's Liefeld and Fajardo in the thumbnail, in case you were wondering.


Thoughts
Spoilerish ahead

As we said in the double-team review of issue #0, this series is setting itself up to be completely bonkers, with a method in the madness. I can't stress this enough: it's not for everyone, it does not take itself seriously, but it does it with such a charm and clearly heartfelt research and execution of styles, references and planning that it will at least crack a smile.

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I am still ambivalent about the artwork, as much as I do like the darker hues and overly filled panels, but it does fit the entire concept of the book from what I take from it - and my opinion quite definitely is not that of the entire comics staff! But if you're into your nostalgia pandering, your cosmic sagas, celebrations and parodying in parallel, this is definitely an issue for you - TF or Joe fan alike.


NOTE: There will be no 'rating' for this series, unless I change my mind drastically next month.
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Re: IDW Transformers vs. G.I. Joe Ongoing Thread

Postby Convoy » Wed Jul 23, 2014 5:40 pm

A rating too high to post, huh?
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Re: IDW Transformers vs. G.I. Joe Ongoing Thread

Postby Va'al » Wed Jul 23, 2014 5:47 pm

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Convoy wrote:A rating too high to post, huh?


It's something like twentyfive purples out of D snakes.
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Re: IDW Transformers vs. G.I. Joe Ongoing Thread

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Re: IDW Transformers vs. G.I. Joe Ongoing Thread

Postby Darth Jumpy » Wed Jul 23, 2014 8:42 pm

Even though I am still not a fan of the artwork, I did have an easier time following what was going on than in issue 0.

Besides that, I did really enjoy this issue and it made me chuckle a few times. Like the review said, it seems closer to the original cartoons than the comics, especially in terms of ridiculousness.
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Re: IDW Transformers vs. G.I. Joe Ongoing Thread

Postby Va'al » Thu Jul 24, 2014 3:56 am

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Re: IDW Transformers vs. G.I. Joe Ongoing Thread

Postby Tigertrack » Thu Jul 24, 2014 5:36 am

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Well at least we have another joe and TF series. And they really seem to be trying to cram in tons of joe vehicles and characters. Sadly, there's still not a lot of TFs. 0 Autobots this issue. Bets on the joes blowing up bumblebee or another Autobot next issue?
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Re: IDW Transformers vs. G.I. Joe Ongoing Thread

Postby 1984forever » Thu Jul 24, 2014 5:45 am

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This thing is just crazy.
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Re: IDW Transformers vs. G.I. Joe Ongoing Thread

Postby Va'al » Thu Jul 24, 2014 5:58 am

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Someone pointed out elsewhere that this comic is getting a lot of good buzz from comics readers that are not strictly part of either fandom - which is excellent news for the writers, publisher and franchises, to be honest!

It might be one of those gateway series into the Transformers/G.I. Joe published universes, and that can only mean well for future ventures.
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Re: IDW Transformers vs. G.I. Joe Ongoing Thread

Postby Tigertrack » Thu Jul 24, 2014 6:02 am

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Va'al wrote:Someone pointed out elsewhere that this comic is getting a lot of good buzz from comics readers that are not strictly part of either fandom - which is excellent news for the writers, publisher and franchises, to be honest!

It might be one of those gateway series into the Transformers/G.I. Joe published universes, and that can only mean well for future ventures.


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IDW Transformers vs. G.I. Joe Volume 1 Pre-Orders

Postby Va'al » Sun Aug 24, 2014 5:44 am

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Next week sees the second issue of the IDW Publishing Transformers vs G.I. Joe ongoing crossover series, but Amazon.com already has a pre-order for the first trade paperback volume! Release expected in December, price currently at $15.77, more information below.

SPACE WAR I! Earth makes contact with an alien race - and G.I. JOE is on the front lines of first contact! But when the Transformers arrive, well, let's just say you've never seen TRANSFORMERS or G.I. JOE like this! Visionary comic book maker Tom Scioli (with Transformers fan-favorite John Barber in tow) combine two of the biggest names in entertainment into the surprise breakout hit of 2014!
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Re: IDW Transformers vs. G.I. Joe Ongoing Thread

Postby DanaCornZine » Sun Aug 24, 2014 6:56 am

This is seriously hideous in appearance. I like the idea that we see how some people got their injuries and modifications but I can't get past this artwork that looks like it's done by someone that has no concept of proportions, depth, and straight lines. Sadly, I've been sitting comics out for a few years because the price tag is too steep.
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Re: IDW Transformers vs. G.I. Joe Ongoing Thread

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Hideous.. Just hideous. My 10 year old daughter has made better artwork than this..
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