This page contains affiliate links. We may earn commissions when readers interact with or purchase items through these links. For more information, see our affiliate disclosures here.

ILM Versus Weta, who do you think does it better?

Discuss anything and everything related to the Transformers Live Action Films franchise, which are directed by Michael Bay. Join us to discuss the movies and stuff up to date with news for the 2017 release of Transformers 5. Check out our Live Action Film section here.

Postby Nightracer GT » Sun Feb 18, 2007 2:45 am

Motto: "If it feels so good, it can't be wrong."
Weapon: Whiplash Cutlass
foifoi05 wrote:
Phategod1 wrote:I gotta go with WETA most of the Organic stuff they do is amazing. I'd love to see how they handle Non-organic things like the TF's

you mean u wanted WETA on this for curiosity's sake? not that i dont trust WETA but i wont let them experiment on TF first. But i think WETA could make a better godzilla remake (the classic that is)


No, he's just saying that he would be interested to see, in a hypothetical situation, how WETA would handle the Bayformers.


I think they would be relatively the same. ILM is so awesome when it comes to stuff like this. I'd leave WETA to the organic stuff. They must love to do all that painstaking rendering, lighting dynamic work, and I say let them have it.
Buy my RiD toys! They're awesome, I promise!!!!
http://www.ebay.com/itm/180910929578?ss ... 1555.l2649
User avatar
Nightracer GT
Headmaster
Posts: 1000
Joined: Sat Nov 16, 2002 6:48 am
Strength: 7
Intelligence: 9
Speed: 6
Endurance: 8
Rank: 5
Courage: 9
Firepower: 9
Skill: 8

Postby derob » Sun Feb 18, 2007 9:13 am

sorry if it sounded rude. Anyway, i think it would be great if both could team up for this. While ILM is great doing CGs in a realworld setting,... WETA will do the Cybertron scene werein everything starts from scratch, i can imagine now an epic battle of bots viewed from the top ala LOTR
derob
Mini-Con
Posts: 46
Joined: Mon Oct 23, 2006 9:06 am

Postby hot rod 907 » Tue Feb 20, 2007 2:03 pm

Weta always looks real, but only when set in a real world setting. ILM always looks fake, but can do more things that couldn't have been done before the 21st centuary. They make a good team for a movie like this.
hot rod 907
Micromaster
Posts: 52
Joined: Thu Dec 07, 2006 5:12 pm

Postby Nightracer GT » Wed Feb 21, 2007 11:47 pm

Motto: "If it feels so good, it can't be wrong."
Weapon: Whiplash Cutlass
hot rod 907 wrote:Weta always looks real, but only when set in a real world setting.


Real worlds like Middle Earth, crazy jungle islands where dinosaurs are still alive, and future settings with robots taking over?

:-P
Buy my RiD toys! They're awesome, I promise!!!!
http://www.ebay.com/itm/180910929578?ss ... 1555.l2649
User avatar
Nightracer GT
Headmaster
Posts: 1000
Joined: Sat Nov 16, 2002 6:48 am
Strength: 7
Intelligence: 9
Speed: 6
Endurance: 8
Rank: 5
Courage: 9
Firepower: 9
Skill: 8

Postby derob » Thu Feb 22, 2007 8:02 am

Dark Zarak wrote:
hot rod 907 wrote:Weta always looks real, but only when set in a real world setting.


Real worlds like Middle Earth, crazy jungle islands where dinosaurs are still alive, and future settings with robots taking over?

:-P

i also thought of that :D
derob
Mini-Con
Posts: 46
Joined: Mon Oct 23, 2006 9:06 am

Postby skywarp-2 » Thu Feb 22, 2007 9:03 am

Still think I would have like dto see what Weta would have come up with..ILM may have wrote the book on Sci-Fi robotics and ect.. but its not too far out of whack to expect that another effects studio couldn't do the same.. regardless of us not seeing that being done by them yet..Its called having faith in others.. and also beliveing that people are capable of making decisions....or in this case have enough talent to try to tackle the transformers..I think to settle the arguement we need someone who has an inside friend at WETA, and send a Challenge to their design staff to produce some 3-D artwork on their interpretations of what The Transformers in live action would look like had their studio done the job...

Now that would be interesting :-?
Image
"You Waste More energy with your mouth."
Check out My Deviant Art Page:
http://skywarp-2.deviantart.com/
http://capitalcomicsstudios.deviantart.com/
http://time-lord-rassilon.deviantart.com/
Check out my new Custom Transformers G-1 CCG! Updated! 07/21/2009!!!!
http://www.seibertron.com/energonpub/vi ... 27&t=56030
User avatar
skywarp-2
Faction Commander
Posts: 4005
News Credits: 5
Joined: Thu Nov 02, 2006 11:57 am

Postby dragons » Thu Feb 22, 2007 9:41 am

i choose the company that worked on star wars i dont know what the two comapnies work look like so i choose the one ive seen more and liked it might be off topic but who is doing the effects on this film.?

are weta and ilm working togeather or is it differnt company alll togeather.?
dragons
Gestalt
Posts: 2969
News Credits: 21
Joined: Wed Sep 22, 2004 5:28 pm

Postby TheMuffin » Thu Feb 22, 2007 11:37 am

Motto: "I still function!"
Weapon: Plasma Beam Rifle
It's ILM. The company who worked on the Star Wars films aside from a hundred other films.
Image
User avatar
TheMuffin
Faction Commander
Posts: 4531
News Credits: 38
Joined: Tue Sep 14, 2004 9:12 am
Location: Ohiooooooo
Strength: 4
Intelligence: 7
Speed: 3
Endurance: 7
Rank: 7
Courage: 5
Firepower: 8
Skill: 7

Postby Nightracer GT » Fri Feb 23, 2007 2:19 am

Motto: "If it feels so good, it can't be wrong."
Weapon: Whiplash Cutlass
dragons wrote:are weta and ilm working togeather or is it differnt company alll togeather.?


ILM, Industrial Light and Magic. They got started with the original Star Wars in 1977. Ever since they have done most major effects work for movies like Jurassic Park, Terminators, Aliens (I think), Predator (I think), and now Transformers. They did all the Star Wars movies.

WETA is named after a giant New Zealand bug. They did Lord of the Rings, King Kong, and I Robot. I don't know of any others they did.

I personally like WETA better because they do such wonderful looking organic creatures, whereas ILM, while awesome, do much better work on mechanical stuff. In the case of Transformers, it's setting up to be awesome. And damn the naysayers to Hell. Okay, a few designs are kind of dumb, but for the most part, awesome.
Buy my RiD toys! They're awesome, I promise!!!!
http://www.ebay.com/itm/180910929578?ss ... 1555.l2649
User avatar
Nightracer GT
Headmaster
Posts: 1000
Joined: Sat Nov 16, 2002 6:48 am
Strength: 7
Intelligence: 9
Speed: 6
Endurance: 8
Rank: 5
Courage: 9
Firepower: 9
Skill: 8

Postby AbsumZer0 » Fri Feb 23, 2007 2:37 am

Dark Zarak wrote:
dragons wrote:are weta and ilm working togeather or is it differnt company alll togeather.?


ILM, Industrial Light and Magic. They got started with the original Star Wars in 1977. Ever since they have done most major effects work for movies like Jurassic Park, Terminators, Aliens (I think), Predator (I think), and now Transformers. They did all the Star Wars movies.

WETA is named after a giant New Zealand bug. They did Lord of the Rings, King Kong, and I Robot. I don't know of any others they did.

I personally like WETA better because they do such wonderful looking organic creatures, whereas ILM, while awesome, do much better work on mechanical stuff. In the case of Transformers, it's setting up to be awesome. And damn the naysayers to Hell. Okay, a few designs are kind of dumb, but for the most part, awesome.


As far as I know Aliens (the second) and Predator 1 and 2 were done by Stan Winston and his studio. I'm not certain who did the other Alien films but I know it wasn't ILM. ILM also didn't do the effects for the original Terminator, though they did the 2nd and 3rd.

foifoi05 wrote:sorry if it sounded rude. Anyway, i think it would be great if both could team up for this. While ILM is great doing CGs in a realworld setting,... WETA will do the Cybertron scene werein everything starts from scratch, i can imagine now an epic battle of bots viewed from the top ala LOTR


Eragon apparently had both companies working on it (though I'm not sure of the specifics).
AbsumZer0
Headmaster Jr
Posts: 503
Joined: Sun Jun 11, 2006 9:13 pm

Postby kjeevah » Fri Feb 23, 2007 4:50 am

such silliness, come on, how many of you actually know anything about it.. sweeping statements like 'ilm is good at robots weta is good at organic stuff' are just silly
kjeevah
Minibot
Posts: 100
Joined: Wed Sep 27, 2006 12:08 pm

Postby TheMuffin » Fri Feb 23, 2007 11:24 am

Motto: "I still function!"
Weapon: Plasma Beam Rifle
kjeevah wrote:such silliness, come on, how many of you actually know anything about it.. sweeping statements like 'ilm is good at robots weta is good at organic stuff' are just silly


Do you have proof otherwise? That's what each group tends to work on so of course they'll be typecast as such.
Image
User avatar
TheMuffin
Faction Commander
Posts: 4531
News Credits: 38
Joined: Tue Sep 14, 2004 9:12 am
Location: Ohiooooooo
Strength: 4
Intelligence: 7
Speed: 3
Endurance: 7
Rank: 7
Courage: 5
Firepower: 8
Skill: 7

Postby AbsumZer0 » Fri Feb 23, 2007 1:19 pm

Zuko wrote:
kjeevah wrote:such silliness, come on, how many of you actually know anything about it.. sweeping statements like 'ilm is good at robots weta is good at organic stuff' are just silly


Do you have proof otherwise? That's what each group tends to work on so of course they'll be typecast as such.


ILM does a ton of organic stuff. Far more than WETA probably, although WETA has only been around since '87 and their digital offshoot since '93. I'm sure WETA will add more robots to their credits in time but you have to remember WETA has only been a major player in the film industry since the Lord of the Rings trilogy. Before that they were pretty much relegated to syndicated television.

Examples of ILM's organic work:

-all Star wars films
-Eragon
-Pirates of the Caribbean 1-3
-The Chronicles of Narnia
-Mars Attacks
-Fire In the Sky
-Van Helsing
-the Hulk
-The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen
-Signs
-Harry Potter films
-Jurassic Park 1-3
-The Mummy, The Mummy Returns
-The Mask, Son of the Mask
-Men in Black 1 and 2
-Jumanji
-Congo
-Spawn

etc.
AbsumZer0
Headmaster Jr
Posts: 503
Joined: Sun Jun 11, 2006 9:13 pm

Postby TheMuffin » Fri Feb 23, 2007 1:25 pm

Motto: "I still function!"
Weapon: Plasma Beam Rifle
Good call...Silly me.
Image
User avatar
TheMuffin
Faction Commander
Posts: 4531
News Credits: 38
Joined: Tue Sep 14, 2004 9:12 am
Location: Ohiooooooo
Strength: 4
Intelligence: 7
Speed: 3
Endurance: 7
Rank: 7
Courage: 5
Firepower: 8
Skill: 7

Postby Ironhidensh » Sat Feb 24, 2007 8:21 am

Motto: "Tell those damned kids to stay off my lawn!!!"
Weapon: Big Cannon
AbsumZer0 wrote:
Zuko wrote:
kjeevah wrote:such silliness, come on, how many of you actually know anything about it.. sweeping statements like 'ilm is good at robots weta is good at organic stuff' are just silly


Do you have proof otherwise? That's what each group tends to work on so of course they'll be typecast as such.


ILM does a ton of organic stuff. Far more than WETA probably, although WETA has only been around since '87 and their digital offshoot since '93. I'm sure WETA will add more robots to their credits in time but you have to remember WETA has only been a major player in the film industry since the Lord of the Rings trilogy. Before that they were pretty much relegated to syndicated television.

Examples of ILM's organic work:

-all Star wars films
-Eragon
-Pirates of the Caribbean 1-3
-The Chronicles of Narnia
-Mars Attacks
-Fire In the Sky
-Van Helsing
-the Hulk
-The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen
-Signs
-Harry Potter films
-Jurassic Park 1-3
-The Mummy, The Mummy Returns
-The Mask, Son of the Mask
-Men in Black 1 and 2
-Jumanji
-Congo
-Spawn

etc.


I thought Weta did Narnia?
Card carrying grumpy old man.


Image

Leonardo wrote:Take your lips off my pipe!
User avatar
Ironhidensh
Faction Commander
Posts: 4828
News Credits: 25
Joined: Sat Aug 02, 2003 9:14 pm
Buy from Ironhidensh on eBay
Strength: 10+
Intelligence: 6
Speed: 4
Endurance: 10+
Rank: 7
Courage: 10
Firepower: 10+
Skill: 9

Postby AbsumZer0 » Sat Feb 24, 2007 3:10 pm

Ironhidensh wrote:I thought Weta did Narnia?


You're half-right. Both WETA and ILM worked on The Chronicles of Narnia, similar to the way they both worked on Eragon.

WETA Workshop (which is a seperate entity from WETA Digital) did the costumes, prosthetics, sets, etc. and designed/sculpted the maquettes that were the basis of the CGI creatures.

ILM used those maquettes as the basis of their cgi models and did all the animation and rendering.
AbsumZer0
Headmaster Jr
Posts: 503
Joined: Sun Jun 11, 2006 9:13 pm

Postby skywarp-2 » Mon Feb 26, 2007 1:28 am

AbsumZer0 wrote:
Ironhidensh wrote:I thought Weta did Narnia?


You're half-right. Both WETA and ILM worked on The Chronicles of Narnia, similar to the way they both worked on Eragon.

WETA Workshop (which is a seperate entity from WETA Digital) did the costumes, prosthetics, sets, etc. and designed/sculpted the maquettes that were the basis of the CGI creatures.

ILM used those maquettes as the basis of their cgi models and did all the animation and rendering.




not that you said this, but I think Weta should have done the design work and models, and ILM do the actual CGI animation. they apparently went classic ILM, or very Star Wars on the Transformers themselves. I'm not a huge fan of ILM, they seem to be stagnant in the originality department when it comes to machines and robots. ...ahem.. perfect example, Frenzy/General Grevious.
Image
"You Waste More energy with your mouth."
Check out My Deviant Art Page:
http://skywarp-2.deviantart.com/
http://capitalcomicsstudios.deviantart.com/
http://time-lord-rassilon.deviantart.com/
Check out my new Custom Transformers G-1 CCG! Updated! 07/21/2009!!!!
http://www.seibertron.com/energonpub/vi ... 27&t=56030
User avatar
skywarp-2
Faction Commander
Posts: 4005
News Credits: 5
Joined: Thu Nov 02, 2006 11:57 am

Previous

Return to Transformers Live Action Film Forum

Transformers and More @ The Seibertron Store

Visit our store on eBay
These are affiliate links. We may earn commissions when you purchase items or services through these links.
Visit shop.seibertron.com to buy "Star Wars MANDALORIAN #5 Marvel Comics 2022 SEP221093 (CA) Noto"
Star Wars MANDALOR ...
Visit shop.seibertron.com to buy "Star Trek MIRROR WAR SISKO #1 Cvr A IDW Comics 2022 APR221581 1A (CA) Prasetya"
Star Trek MIRROR W ...
Visit shop.seibertron.com to buy "Star Wars HYPERSPACE STORIES #11 Cvr A Dark Horse Comics SEP231183 11A Faccini"
Star Wars HYPERSPA ...
Visit shop.seibertron.com to buy "STAR TREK #12 Cvr B IDW Comics 2023 JUL231214 12B (CA) To (W) Kelly (A) Lanzing"
STAR TREK #12 Cvr ...
Visit shop.seibertron.com to buy "STAR TREK #15 Cvr A IDW Comics 2023 OCT231331 15A (CA) To (W) Kelly (A) Lanzing"
STAR TREK #15 Cvr ...
Visit shop.seibertron.com to buy "Star Wars BOUNTY HUNTERS #22 Traitor Marvel Comics 2022 FEB221028 (CA) Renaud"
Star Wars BOUNTY H ...
Visit shop.seibertron.com to buy "GARGOYLES #1 Cvr O 1:10 Modern Dynamite Comics 2022 OCT220556 1O (CA) Madureira"
GARGOYLES #1 Cvr O ...
Visit shop.seibertron.com to buy "Star Wars HAN SOLO CHEWBACCA #1 var Marvel Comics 2022 JAN221000 (CA) Shalvey"
Star Wars HAN SOLO ...
Visit shop.seibertron.com to buy "Star Wars DOCTOR APHRA #26 Marvel Comics 2022 SEP221100 (CA) Forbes (W) Wong"
Star Wars DOCTOR A ...
Visit shop.seibertron.com to buy "STAR TREK #10 Cvr A IDW Comics 2023 MAY231372 10A (A/CA) Feehan (W)Kelly+Lanzing"
STAR TREK #10 Cvr ...
Visit shop.seibertron.com to buy "STAR WARS HIGH REPUBLIC #6 var WHM Marvel Comics JAN230971 (W) Scott (CA) Momoko"
STAR WARS HIGH REP ...
Visit shop.seibertron.com to buy "Star Trek Strange New Worlds SCORPIUS RUN #3 Cvr C IDW Comics 2023 AUG231411 3C"
Star Trek Strange ...
Visit shop.seibertron.com to buy "GARGOYLES DARK AGES #2 Cvr G 1:10 Dynamite Comics 2023 JUN230666 2G (CA) Moss"
GARGOYLES DARK AGE ...
Visit shop.seibertron.com to buy "Star Wars DARTH VADER #31 Marvel Comics 2023 NOV221025 (CA) Rahzzah (W) Pak"
Star Wars DARTH VA ...
* Price and quantities subject to change. Shipping costs, taxes and other fees not included in cost shown. Refer to listing for current price and availability.
Find the items above and thousands more at the Seibertron Store on eBay
Transformers Podcast: Twincast / Podcast #346 - Gas Station Jamboree
Twincast / Podcast #346:
"Gas Station Jamboree"
MP3 · iTunes · RSS · View · Discuss · Ask
Posted: Saturday, March 23rd, 2024

Featured Products on Amazon.com

These are affiliate links. We may earn commissions when you purchase items or services through these links.
Buy "Transformers: Generations Power of The Primes Evolution Optimal Optimus" on AMAZON
Buy "Transformers Generations Power of The Primes Evolution Nemesis Prime (Amazon Exclusive)" on AMAZON
Buy "Transformers: Generations Power of The Primes Deluxe Class Dinobot Sludge" on AMAZON
Buy "Transformers Generations Power of The Primes Deluxe Class Dinobot Snarl" on AMAZON
Buy "Transformers: Generations Power of The Primes Deluxe Class Dinobot Swoop" on AMAZON
Buy "Transformers Masterpiece Movie Series Barricade MPM-5" on AMAZON
Buy "Transformers: Generations Power of The Primes Megatronus Prime Master" on AMAZON
Buy "Transformers Generations Power of The Primes Deluxe Class Terrorcon Blot" on AMAZON
Buy "Transformers MV5 Titan Changer Megatron Action Figure" on AMAZON
Buy "Transformers: The Last Knight 1-Step Turbo Changer Cogman" on AMAZON
Buy "Transformers: Bumblebee -- Energon Igniters Power Series Megatron" on AMAZON
Buy "Transformers Generations Titans Return Titan Class Fortress Maximus" on AMAZON