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Postby Nightracer GT » Sun Feb 18, 2007 2:45 am

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Phategod1 wrote:I gotta go with WETA most of the Organic stuff they do is amazing. I'd love to see how they handle Non-organic things like the TF's

you mean u wanted WETA on this for curiosity's sake? not that i dont trust WETA but i wont let them experiment on TF first. But i think WETA could make a better godzilla remake (the classic that is)


No, he's just saying that he would be interested to see, in a hypothetical situation, how WETA would handle the Bayformers.


I think they would be relatively the same. ILM is so awesome when it comes to stuff like this. I'd leave WETA to the organic stuff. They must love to do all that painstaking rendering, lighting dynamic work, and I say let them have it.
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Postby derob » Sun Feb 18, 2007 9:13 am

sorry if it sounded rude. Anyway, i think it would be great if both could team up for this. While ILM is great doing CGs in a realworld setting,... WETA will do the Cybertron scene werein everything starts from scratch, i can imagine now an epic battle of bots viewed from the top ala LOTR
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Postby hot rod 907 » Tue Feb 20, 2007 2:03 pm

Weta always looks real, but only when set in a real world setting. ILM always looks fake, but can do more things that couldn't have been done before the 21st centuary. They make a good team for a movie like this.
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Postby Nightracer GT » Wed Feb 21, 2007 11:47 pm

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hot rod 907 wrote:Weta always looks real, but only when set in a real world setting.


Real worlds like Middle Earth, crazy jungle islands where dinosaurs are still alive, and future settings with robots taking over?

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Postby derob » Thu Feb 22, 2007 8:02 am

Dark Zarak wrote:
hot rod 907 wrote:Weta always looks real, but only when set in a real world setting.


Real worlds like Middle Earth, crazy jungle islands where dinosaurs are still alive, and future settings with robots taking over?

:-P

i also thought of that :D
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Postby skywarp-2 » Thu Feb 22, 2007 9:03 am

Still think I would have like dto see what Weta would have come up with..ILM may have wrote the book on Sci-Fi robotics and ect.. but its not too far out of whack to expect that another effects studio couldn't do the same.. regardless of us not seeing that being done by them yet..Its called having faith in others.. and also beliveing that people are capable of making decisions....or in this case have enough talent to try to tackle the transformers..I think to settle the arguement we need someone who has an inside friend at WETA, and send a Challenge to their design staff to produce some 3-D artwork on their interpretations of what The Transformers in live action would look like had their studio done the job...

Now that would be interesting :-?
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Postby dragons » Thu Feb 22, 2007 9:41 am

i choose the company that worked on star wars i dont know what the two comapnies work look like so i choose the one ive seen more and liked it might be off topic but who is doing the effects on this film.?

are weta and ilm working togeather or is it differnt company alll togeather.?
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Postby TheMuffin » Thu Feb 22, 2007 11:37 am

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It's ILM. The company who worked on the Star Wars films aside from a hundred other films.
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Postby Nightracer GT » Fri Feb 23, 2007 2:19 am

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dragons wrote:are weta and ilm working togeather or is it differnt company alll togeather.?


ILM, Industrial Light and Magic. They got started with the original Star Wars in 1977. Ever since they have done most major effects work for movies like Jurassic Park, Terminators, Aliens (I think), Predator (I think), and now Transformers. They did all the Star Wars movies.

WETA is named after a giant New Zealand bug. They did Lord of the Rings, King Kong, and I Robot. I don't know of any others they did.

I personally like WETA better because they do such wonderful looking organic creatures, whereas ILM, while awesome, do much better work on mechanical stuff. In the case of Transformers, it's setting up to be awesome. And damn the naysayers to Hell. Okay, a few designs are kind of dumb, but for the most part, awesome.
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Postby AbsumZer0 » Fri Feb 23, 2007 2:37 am

Dark Zarak wrote:
dragons wrote:are weta and ilm working togeather or is it differnt company alll togeather.?


ILM, Industrial Light and Magic. They got started with the original Star Wars in 1977. Ever since they have done most major effects work for movies like Jurassic Park, Terminators, Aliens (I think), Predator (I think), and now Transformers. They did all the Star Wars movies.

WETA is named after a giant New Zealand bug. They did Lord of the Rings, King Kong, and I Robot. I don't know of any others they did.

I personally like WETA better because they do such wonderful looking organic creatures, whereas ILM, while awesome, do much better work on mechanical stuff. In the case of Transformers, it's setting up to be awesome. And damn the naysayers to Hell. Okay, a few designs are kind of dumb, but for the most part, awesome.


As far as I know Aliens (the second) and Predator 1 and 2 were done by Stan Winston and his studio. I'm not certain who did the other Alien films but I know it wasn't ILM. ILM also didn't do the effects for the original Terminator, though they did the 2nd and 3rd.

foifoi05 wrote:sorry if it sounded rude. Anyway, i think it would be great if both could team up for this. While ILM is great doing CGs in a realworld setting,... WETA will do the Cybertron scene werein everything starts from scratch, i can imagine now an epic battle of bots viewed from the top ala LOTR


Eragon apparently had both companies working on it (though I'm not sure of the specifics).
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Postby kjeevah » Fri Feb 23, 2007 4:50 am

such silliness, come on, how many of you actually know anything about it.. sweeping statements like 'ilm is good at robots weta is good at organic stuff' are just silly
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Postby TheMuffin » Fri Feb 23, 2007 11:24 am

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kjeevah wrote:such silliness, come on, how many of you actually know anything about it.. sweeping statements like 'ilm is good at robots weta is good at organic stuff' are just silly


Do you have proof otherwise? That's what each group tends to work on so of course they'll be typecast as such.
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Postby AbsumZer0 » Fri Feb 23, 2007 1:19 pm

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kjeevah wrote:such silliness, come on, how many of you actually know anything about it.. sweeping statements like 'ilm is good at robots weta is good at organic stuff' are just silly


Do you have proof otherwise? That's what each group tends to work on so of course they'll be typecast as such.


ILM does a ton of organic stuff. Far more than WETA probably, although WETA has only been around since '87 and their digital offshoot since '93. I'm sure WETA will add more robots to their credits in time but you have to remember WETA has only been a major player in the film industry since the Lord of the Rings trilogy. Before that they were pretty much relegated to syndicated television.

Examples of ILM's organic work:

-all Star wars films
-Eragon
-Pirates of the Caribbean 1-3
-The Chronicles of Narnia
-Mars Attacks
-Fire In the Sky
-Van Helsing
-the Hulk
-The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen
-Signs
-Harry Potter films
-Jurassic Park 1-3
-The Mummy, The Mummy Returns
-The Mask, Son of the Mask
-Men in Black 1 and 2
-Jumanji
-Congo
-Spawn

etc.
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Postby TheMuffin » Fri Feb 23, 2007 1:25 pm

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Postby Ironhidensh » Sat Feb 24, 2007 8:21 am

AbsumZer0 wrote:
Zuko wrote:
kjeevah wrote:such silliness, come on, how many of you actually know anything about it.. sweeping statements like 'ilm is good at robots weta is good at organic stuff' are just silly


Do you have proof otherwise? That's what each group tends to work on so of course they'll be typecast as such.


ILM does a ton of organic stuff. Far more than WETA probably, although WETA has only been around since '87 and their digital offshoot since '93. I'm sure WETA will add more robots to their credits in time but you have to remember WETA has only been a major player in the film industry since the Lord of the Rings trilogy. Before that they were pretty much relegated to syndicated television.

Examples of ILM's organic work:

-all Star wars films
-Eragon
-Pirates of the Caribbean 1-3
-The Chronicles of Narnia
-Mars Attacks
-Fire In the Sky
-Van Helsing
-the Hulk
-The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen
-Signs
-Harry Potter films
-Jurassic Park 1-3
-The Mummy, The Mummy Returns
-The Mask, Son of the Mask
-Men in Black 1 and 2
-Jumanji
-Congo
-Spawn

etc.


I thought Weta did Narnia?
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Postby AbsumZer0 » Sat Feb 24, 2007 3:10 pm

Ironhidensh wrote:I thought Weta did Narnia?


You're half-right. Both WETA and ILM worked on The Chronicles of Narnia, similar to the way they both worked on Eragon.

WETA Workshop (which is a seperate entity from WETA Digital) did the costumes, prosthetics, sets, etc. and designed/sculpted the maquettes that were the basis of the CGI creatures.

ILM used those maquettes as the basis of their cgi models and did all the animation and rendering.
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Postby skywarp-2 » Mon Feb 26, 2007 1:28 am

AbsumZer0 wrote:
Ironhidensh wrote:I thought Weta did Narnia?


You're half-right. Both WETA and ILM worked on The Chronicles of Narnia, similar to the way they both worked on Eragon.

WETA Workshop (which is a seperate entity from WETA Digital) did the costumes, prosthetics, sets, etc. and designed/sculpted the maquettes that were the basis of the CGI creatures.

ILM used those maquettes as the basis of their cgi models and did all the animation and rendering.




not that you said this, but I think Weta should have done the design work and models, and ILM do the actual CGI animation. they apparently went classic ILM, or very Star Wars on the Transformers themselves. I'm not a huge fan of ILM, they seem to be stagnant in the originality department when it comes to machines and robots. ...ahem.. perfect example, Frenzy/General Grevious.
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