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sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

Shadowman wrote:
It was an example. The Unknown Regions aren't all composed of copies of Aleraan either.

Examples are based on some verifiable facts.

Uh, yeah, they are. Thanks for explaining that to me.

Just so we're on the same wavelength here, what I meant was some planets aren't worth taking, thus they wouldn't be counted in the number of planets the Empire has.

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

I know I was.

Well I'll say this.

Based on what is undeniable canon, meaning whats seen in the SW films and not the books,comics and other sources, the Galactic empire was in power for about 20-25 years.

The Mirror Universes Terran empire ruled for over 150 years.

And the Galactic Empire never dissolved. By the time of the Yuuzhan Vong War, the Imperial Remnant still had thousands of planets under its control.

Still asking this, how many planet did the Terran Empire control?

Shadowman wrote:Uh, yeah, they are. Thanks for explaining that to me.

Just so we're on the same wavelength here, what I meant was some planets aren't worth taking, thus they wouldn't be counted in the number of planets the Empire has.

Kool, the point I was trying to make is that we dont know how big the un-claimed areas are or if a bigger force is controling them.

And the Galactic Empire never dissolved. By the time of the Yuuzhan Vong War, the Imperial Remnant still had thousands of planets under its control.

Remember, I said "Based on what is undeniable canon, meaning whats seen in the SW films and not the books,comics and other sources"


The Yuuzhan Vong War was a series of books in which the story is set after "Return of the Jedi.There fore its status as canon is questionable.

Lucas him self likes to pick and chose what he will accept as solid canon, and changes his mind on a whim.

Return of the Jedi hevilly implies that the Empire fell at the end of the film.

Still asking this, how many planet did the Terran Empire control?

You didnt ask before.

Not counting colonies, about 120 worlds if I'm right.

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:Kool, the point I was trying to make is that we dont know how big the un-claimed areas are or if a bigger force is controling them.

Uh, yeah, actually we do. (That map is incomplete, it doesn't and probably CAN'T list evert planet in the series)

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:Remember, I said "Based on what is undeniable canon, meaning whats seen in the SW films and not the books,comics and other sources"

All right, well now I can immediately disregard everything you say on the matter. Expanded Universe ALWAYS comes into play in Star Wars discussions, you can't say "expanded universe doesn't count" in regards to anything Star Wars.

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:The Yuuzhan Vong War was a series of books in which the story is set after "Return of the Jedi.There fore its status as canon is questionable.

No it isn't. It's canon until George Lucas says otherwise and he hasn't said otherwise.

It canon until contradicted by a higher form of canon. The books, I think, are the third tier, which is still pretty high up.

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:Not counting colonies, about 120 worlds if I'm right.

And I can say with absolute certainty that the Empire controlled many times that.

Shadowman wrote:Uh, yeah, actually we do. (That map is incomplete, it doesn't and probably CAN'T list evert planet in the series)

kool, never saw that before.

Where is it from and how official is it?

All right, well now I can immediately disregard everything you say on the matter. Expanded Universe ALWAYS comes into play in Star Wars discussions, you can't say "expanded universe doesn't count" in regards to anything Star Wars.

The hell I cant.

Like I said, Lucas picks and choses what he will accept as solid, and he changes his mind when he wants.

No it isn't. It's canon until George Lucas says otherwise and he hasn't said otherwise.

I argue the opposite.

If it can be dropped at a whim theres no point in investing any value to it canon wise.

And I can say with absolute certainty that the Empire controlled many times that

For far less a time, as can be derived by solid canon materials.

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:The hell I cant.

True: You can't. Saves me a helluva lot of time, too. None of your points matter if you refuse to take the EU into consideration.

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:For far less a time, as can be derived by solid canon materials.

The Empire formed 19BBY...and never actually ended, and they never had less than a thousand worlds in their grasp. And that was AFTER they lost the Galactic Civil War.

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

And I can say with absolute certainty that the Empire controlled many times that

For far less a time, as can be derived by solid canon materials.

Maybe it's just me, but it seems like 120 worlds would be a heck of a lot easier to maintain than the multitude that the Empire controlled. Even if it was for only about 25 years, pretty much the only reason it "fell" (if you just count the movies) was because of the Skywalkers, who were already "chosen" to bring order to the galaxy, so the strength of the Empire really wouldn't matter since that was destined to happen (Yes, I realize Luke wasn't "the chosen one", but he's obviously pretty darn significant to the Emperor's defeat.) Now if you take the Empire by itself, and that means no Luke Skywalker to blow up the first Death Star, become a jedi, and turn Vader back from the dark side, I'd say it probably never would've been overthrown.
Also, you can't just disregard every little thing that isn't in the movies, because there ARE some books and things that are considered canon, and the Empire was never officially disbanded in the movies, even if it was implied (All they did was blow up the Death Star II [along with the Emperor and Vader, but there's always somebody who can take over], and that didn't stop them the first time!)

Shadowman wrote:True: You can't. Saves me a helluva lot of time, too. None of your points matter if you refuse to take the EU into consideration.

Total nonsense.

More like you cant reply.

You said it yourself "third tier canon", thats just a Euphemism for quasi canon.

Its a way for SW fans to feel they havent wasted their time and money investing in these stories.

I repeat, if they can be dismissed on the whim of Lucas, they arent worth crap twards canon.

The Empire formed 19BBY...and never actually ended, and they never had less than a thousand worlds in their grasp. And that was AFTER they lost the Galactic Civil War.

As per the solid canon of the films, The empire was formed around the time the Skywarker twins were born, and fell when they were in their late 20's.

Praxus Prime wrote:Maybe it's just me, but it seems like 120 worlds would be a heck of a lot easier to maintain than the multitude that the Empire controlled.

I never implied otherwise.

Also, you can't just disregard every little thing that isn't in the movies, because there ARE some books and things that are considered canon, and the Empire was never officially disbanded in the movies, even if it was implied (All they did was blow up the Death Star II [along with the Emperor and Vader, but there's always somebody who can take over], and that didn't stop them the first time!)

If Lucas can disregard it when ever he wants its not worth a thing to canon.

"Canon" in a fictional world refers to events that are "historically accurate" as it pertains to that fictional universe.

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:You said it yourself "third tier canon", thats just a Euphemism for quasi canon.

And that's why I'm not bothering with your posts on the matter anymore. You make it clear with every post you have no clue what you're talking about. C-Canon isn't the highest but that doesn't mean it's non-canon.

Shadowman wrote:

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:You said it yourself "third tier canon", thats just a Euphemism for quasi canon.

And that's why I'm not bothering with your posts on the matter anymore. You make it clear with every post you have no clue what you're talking about. C-Canon isn't the highest but that doesn't mean it's non-canon.

I know exactly what I'm talking about.Fact is your not bothering with my post because you cant formulate a logical response.

I'm a huge SW fan and loved, in particular, the Dark Horse comics.

But the simple fact is the BS canon scale thats used is worthless because Lucas can disregard it any time he wants.

That makes it worthless to official canon.