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Postby mooncake623 » Fri Oct 10, 2014 1:23 pm

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mooncake623 wrote:Didn't like the sharkies, never got a chance to get the judge or any of those earlier quints. oh well..


If you didn't like UT's Sharkies, iGear's Sharkticon 3-pack is on clearance for $80 at BBTS:

http://www.bigbadtoystore.com/bbts/list.aspx?list=16673


Yea I know I saw this and was going to get them to display with the alicons. But since I sent them back I don't think I'll go for these.

No Sharkticons for you?

Whatever will you do??

I could understand alicons being meh to some people, but I would think sharkticons would be a must have for any G1 fan ?


I wanted to like them all I really did. But selling the sharkys and sending the alicons back... Do I really want to take another shot with the igears one? Lost money on both transactions lol not a huge deal but time was spent selling it and sending them back.. Haha

Wow, harsh. I liked both UT's and iGear's Sharkticons. Although iGear's Sharkticons are better made overall and look better in bot mode IMO. Still, I found UT's Sharkies to be pretty fun.



It's not really harsh is it? I understand what they are.. and wanted to like them.. I even brought them but in hand they're not what I wanted.
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Re: Impossible Toys Allicon

Postby Gauntlet101010 » Fri Oct 10, 2014 1:44 pm

mooncake623 wrote:
Gauntlet101010 wrote:
mooncake623 wrote:
Rated X wrote:
megatronus wrote:
mooncake623 wrote:
megatronus wrote:
mooncake623 wrote:Didn't like the sharkies, never got a chance to get the judge or any of those earlier quints. oh well..


If you didn't like UT's Sharkies, iGear's Sharkticon 3-pack is on clearance for $80 at BBTS:

http://www.bigbadtoystore.com/bbts/list.aspx?list=16673


Yea I know I saw this and was going to get them to display with the alicons. But since I sent them back I don't think I'll go for these.

No Sharkticons for you?

Whatever will you do??

I could understand alicons being meh to some people, but I would think sharkticons would be a must have for any G1 fan ?


I wanted to like them all I really did. But selling the sharkys and sending the alicons back... Do I really want to take another shot with the igears one? Lost money on both transactions lol not a huge deal but time was spent selling it and sending them back.. Haha

Wow, harsh. I liked both UT's and iGear's Sharkticons. Although iGear's Sharkticons are better made overall and look better in bot mode IMO. Still, I found UT's Sharkies to be pretty fun.



It's not really harsh is it? I understand what they are.. and wanted to like them.. I even brought them but in hand they're not what I wanted.

Hey, you're totally entitled to your opinions and to make your own standards.
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Postby megatronus » Fri Oct 10, 2014 1:52 pm

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mooncake623 wrote:It's not really harsh is it? I understand what they are.. and wanted to like them.. I even brought them but in hand they're not what I wanted.

Hey, you're totally entitled to your opinions and to make your own standards.

Not harsh at all. Like Gauntlet said, you have the right to your opinion. But it sounds like you don't want to take a chance because you've been burnt.

I will say this: I got the iGear black leader Sharkticon to lead my UT Sharkies, and though I like the Sharkies better as my regular minions, the iGear mold is really solid, and the plastic quality is leagues ahead. If you feel there's a Sharkticon-sized gap in your collection, iGear is worth a shot.
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Postby Gauntlet101010 » Fri Oct 10, 2014 2:55 pm

I'll echo megatronus' statements about iGear's Sharkticons. I have a few of iGear's products, including their minibots and their Sharkticons are their best product. The shark mode is inferior to UT's, but that's it. If I had to choose only one, it'd be iGear's.

That said I'm pretty happy every time I see my full Quintesson court with iGear's, UT's, and IT's works all together. It's really ironic that the creators of the Transformers are all done by 3rd parties. I only wish IT did the two faced Quint from Dweller in the Depths. I like how the sharks look a little different too. I think of it ike those parts of the cartoon where the same guy is drawn just slightly differently because the artist couldn't stay on model (in a good way). It just adds variety.
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Postby Tsutsukakushi » Fri Oct 10, 2014 6:35 pm

Gauntlet101010 wrote:I'll echo megatronus' statements about iGear's Sharkticons. I have a few of iGear's products, including their minibots and their Sharkticons are their best product. The shark mode is inferior to UT's, but that's it. If I had to choose only one, it'd be iGear's.

That said I'm pretty happy every time I see my full Quintesson court with iGear's, UT's, and IT's works all together. It's really ironic that the creators of the Transformers are all done by 3rd parties. I only wish IT did the two faced Quint from Dweller in the Depths. I like how the sharks look a little different too. I think of it ike those parts of the cartoon where the same guy is drawn just slightly differently because the artist couldn't stay on model (in a good way). It just adds variety.


Whatever happened to HasTak's 30th Legends scale Gnaw toy. Was any pics ever released for either toy mode? any info on release dates? Was it ever confirmed by HasTak such a toy was getting made for Generations?
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Postby Gauntlet101010 » Fri Oct 10, 2014 8:32 pm

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Gauntlet101010 wrote:I'll echo megatronus' statements about iGear's Sharkticons. I have a few of iGear's products, including their minibots and their Sharkticons are their best product. The shark mode is inferior to UT's, but that's it. If I had to choose only one, it'd be iGear's.

That said I'm pretty happy every time I see my full Quintesson court with iGear's, UT's, and IT's works all together. It's really ironic that the creators of the Transformers are all done by 3rd parties. I only wish IT did the two faced Quint from Dweller in the Depths. I like how the sharks look a little different too. I think of it ike those parts of the cartoon where the same guy is drawn just slightly differently because the artist couldn't stay on model (in a good way). It just adds variety.


Whatever happened to HasTak's 30th Legends scale Gnaw toy. Was any pics ever released for either toy mode? any info on release dates? Was it ever confirmed by HasTak such a toy was getting made for Generations?

Maybe it's still coming up. But some things are planned and teased and just never get made.
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Postby Venksta » Fri Oct 10, 2014 9:00 pm

Gauntlet101010 wrote:As for the Tetrajets, well ... there's some potential for them to have been a contender, but they didn't follow through. Sadly I can say that for most of IT's stuff. Like you I absolutely love their ideas. A full Quintesson court, a transformable Arcee, Tetrajets, and non posable figures of guys from the G1 toon are all things I love beight brought to life. But IT dropped the ball on quality too many times.

A fun fact: Vastenka of Renderform made all the 3D models for Impossible toys ... 10 years ago! But they all seemed to have been smoothes out from his original renders. Has IT released Arcee or the Alicon right when the 3rd party scene was just getting started we may have seen them in a very different light.


That Vastenka guy is a crappy designer. No wonder he only worked for Impossible Toys. :HEADHURTS:

Actually, the Alicon and Tetrajets were designed in 2009. About the time Defender was first announced. So it was actually one of the first 3rd party toys being designed, as I believe the only other figures out then were TFC's Roller, and MMC's Knight Morpher Commander, within a year from then. Tetrajets were my first ever design. It was completed around October 2009. Then they sat on the design for a long time. Sadly, they wanted it done soon as possible. So if they knew how long it would of been sat on, the designing part, that I could do, could of been improved. They also didn't follow many suggestions I had, like the transparent cockpits. And my request to redesign the head, when they showed me the testshot at TFCon 2012, about a year before it was released. The Alicon was suppose to be close to the cartoon design as possible, so its meant for g1 displays. When I originally started both projects, Impossible requested they be "G1", as their fans of G1 toys, and intended their products to go with that collection. There were other restrictions as well put by them, in the designing phase, like no ball joints. Alicon's design did have more detailing, but it got lost in the translation. Strangely, this only occured with them so far, and no other 3rd party company's I have designed for. What ever factory they used, didn't seem to do a good job with the CAD designs.
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Postby Rated X » Fri Oct 10, 2014 9:42 pm

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Gauntlet101010 wrote:As for the Tetrajets, well ... there's some potential for them to have been a contender, but they didn't follow through. Sadly I can say that for most of IT's stuff. Like you I absolutely love their ideas. A full Quintesson court, a transformable Arcee, Tetrajets, and non posable figures of guys from the G1 toon are all things I love beight brought to life. But IT dropped the ball on quality too many times.

A fun fact: Vastenka of Renderform made all the 3D models for Impossible toys ... 10 years ago! But they all seemed to have been smoothes out from his original renders. Has IT released Arcee or the Alicon right when the 3rd party scene was just getting started we may have seen them in a very different light.


That Vastenka guy is a crappy designer. No wonder he only worked for Impossible Toys. :HEADHURTS:

Actually, the Alicon and Tetrajets were designed in 2009. About the time Defender was first announced. So it was actually one of the first 3rd party toys being designed, as I believe the only other figures out then were TFC's Roller, and MMC's Knight Morpher Commander, within a year from then. Tetrajets were my first ever design. It was completed around October 2009. Then they sat on the design for a long time. Sadly, they wanted it done soon as possible. So if they knew how long it would of been sat on, the designing part, that I could do, could of been improved. They also didn't follow many suggestions I had, like the transparent cockpits. And my request to redesign the head, when they showed me the testshot at TFCon 2012, about a year before it was released. The Alicon was suppose to be close to the cartoon design as possible, so its meant for g1 displays. When I originally started both projects, Impossible requested they be "G1", as their fans of G1 toys, and intended their products to go with that collection. There were other restrictions as well put by them, in the designing phase, like no ball joints. Alicon's design did have more detailing, but it got lost in the translation. Strangely, this only occured with them so far, and no other 3rd party company's I have designed for. What ever factory they used, didn't seem to do a good job with the CAD designs.



I bought all those IT figures and I love them all. And I display them with classics. I just don’t feel articulated figures belong on a shelf with a bunch of G1 brick figures. Honestly I wish you would spend less time designing melee weapons and start designing figures. I’m confident you could design some top notch stuff that would fit in well with classics but maintain that beloved cartoon accurate aesthetic. And I would buy them. I also would love to see you do more heads for Botcon figures such as G2 Spark/Pyro, Machine Wars Starscream, and G1 Firestar for the Flareup figure. I would be all over those.
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Postby Gauntlet101010 » Fri Oct 10, 2014 10:15 pm

Venksta wrote:
Gauntlet101010 wrote:As for the Tetrajets, well ... there's some potential for them to have been a contender, but they didn't follow through. Sadly I can say that for most of IT's stuff. Like you I absolutely love their ideas. A full Quintesson court, a transformable Arcee, Tetrajets, and non posable figures of guys from the G1 toon are all things I love beight brought to life. But IT dropped the ball on quality too many times.

A fun fact: Vastenka of Renderform made all the 3D models for Impossible toys ... 10 years ago! But they all seemed to have been smoothes out from his original renders. Has IT released Arcee or the Alicon right when the 3rd party scene was just getting started we may have seen them in a very different light.


That Vastenka guy is a crappy designer. No wonder he only worked for Impossible Toys. :HEADHURTS:

Actually, the Alicon and Tetrajets were designed in 2009. About the time Defender was first announced. So it was actually one of the first 3rd party toys being designed, as I believe the only other figures out then were TFC's Roller, and MMC's Knight Morpher Commander, within a year from then. Tetrajets were my first ever design. It was completed around October 2009. Then they sat on the design for a long time. Sadly, they wanted it done soon as possible. So if they knew how long it would of been sat on, the designing part, that I could do, could of been improved. They also didn't follow many suggestions I had, like the transparent cockpits. And my request to redesign the head, when they showed me the testshot at TFCon 2012, about a year before it was released. The Alicon was suppose to be close to the cartoon design as possible, so its meant for g1 displays. When I originally started both projects, Impossible requested they be "G1", as their fans of G1 toys, and intended their products to go with that collection. There were other restrictions as well put by them, in the designing phase, like no ball joints. Alicon's design did have more detailing, but it got lost in the translation. Strangely, this only occured with them so far, and no other 3rd party company's I have designed for. What ever factory they used, didn't seem to do a good job with the CAD designs.


Sorry for misspelling your name, dude. I suppose I should have done a quick google search to verify my spelling. #-o

They should definitely have taken more care with the quality of their products, like keeping the details and fixing the tetrajet's head. They should have seen that was a problem, even without your input. I guess they had their (probably financial) reasons, but it really hurt them in the end.

Even with the loss of details, I think the alicon is their best product. It'd have been interesting to see the initial renders on all of them. Do the renders on the boxes come close, or were those messed around with?

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Postby Venksta » Fri Oct 10, 2014 10:45 pm

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I bought all those IT figures and I love them all. And I display them with classics. I just don’t feel articulated figures belong on a shelf with a bunch of G1 brick figures. Honestly I wish you would spend less time designing melee weapons and start designing figures. I’m confident you could design some top notch stuff that would fit in well with classics but maintain that beloved cartoon accurate aesthetic. And I would buy them. I also would love to see you do more heads for Botcon figures such as G2 Spark/Pyro, Machine Wars Starscream, and G1 Firestar for the Flareup figure. I would be all over those.


I'm sorry I can't cater towards you specifically. Melee weapons have been a big success. The last new designs premiering at Botcon, outsold the Death Czar kit, which was surprising, as that kit did very well itself. So all that tells me is people want those types of weapons, and I have a fun time designing and manufacturing them. I do have a list of head upgrades I want to do, but some stuff takes priority. Pyro and Firestar are on the list.

As for full figures, I have to keep quiet on certain projects...
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Postby Venksta » Fri Oct 10, 2014 10:49 pm

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Sorry for misspelling your name, dude. I suppose I should have done a quick google search to verify my spelling. #-o

They should definitely have taken more care with the quality of their products, like keeping the details and fixing the tetrajet's head. They should have seen that was a problem, even without your input. I guess they had their (probably financial) reasons, but it really hurt them in the end.

Even with the loss of details, I think the alicon is their best product. It'd have been interesting to see the initial renders on all of them. Do the renders on the boxes come close, or were those messed around with?

Edit:
http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-new ... 499026.jpg

found a pic of the render for the alicon.


No worries. 75% of people write my name wrong. :lol:

The boxes use the final CAD designs that were given to Impossible Toys. I actually designed all the boxes myself. Fun fact: Tetra Seekers were not going to have any names. I actually encouraged that they allow me to name each one, and then I brought a friend on board to help write the bios and story for each one. All IT wanted was just a plain G1 style box with the product name and some art on the back. Even with their Arcee, it was just going to be called TRNS-01. I heavily suggested they called it Valkyrie to give it a proper name.

Here is something I never shared. After Valkyrie was released, and the uproar by customers, IT wanted to redo the figure. So they tried to get me to make a better version. I did start, but then went onto projects for other 3rd party groups. Heres what I had going for the car mode, based on the cartoon design.

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Venksta wrote:As for full figures, I have to keep quiet on certain projects...

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Postby Tsutsukakushi » Fri Oct 10, 2014 11:52 pm

Venksta wrote: The boxes use the final CAD designs that were given to Impossible Toys. I actually designed all the boxes myself. Fun fact: Tetra Seekers were not going to have any names. I actually encouraged that they allow me to name each one, and then I brought a friend on board to help write the bios and story for each one. All IT wanted was just a plain G1 style box with the product name and some art on the back. Even with their Arcee, it was just going to be called TRNS-01. I heavily suggested they called it Valkyrie to give it a proper name.

Here is something I never shared. After Valkyrie was released, and the uproar by customers, IT wanted to redo the figure. So they tried to get me to make a better version. I did start, but then went onto projects for other 3rd party groups. Heres what I had going for the car mode, based on the cartoon design.


Please, Since you know some of these 3rd party companies. I was wondering if you can answer this question of mine.

Do you know what's going on with a 3rd party TF company called, BTS. Did BTS close down or are they still open for business. Asking, Because I haven't seen a newer BTS project announced in over a year. The last project BTS announced was, BTS-06 Nova Lord.

Is BTS still releasing BTS-06 Nova Lord or is the toy cancelled. Wondering if BTS is being quiet on BTS-06 Nova Lord because their working hard trying to create the toy for mass release.

If BTS is closed down. Does any other 3rd party company have plans to buy the CAD files for BTS-06 Nova lord and release this toy?
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Postby Venksta » Fri Oct 10, 2014 11:59 pm

Tsutsukakushi wrote:Please, Since you know some of these 3rd party companies. I was wondering if you can answer this question of mine.

Do you know what's going on with a 3rd party TF company called, BTS. Did BTS close down or are they still open for business. Asking, Because I haven't seen a newer BTS project announced in over a year. The last project BTS announced was, BTS-06 Nova Lord.

Is BTS still releasing BTS-06 Nova Lord or is the toy cancelled. Wondering if BTS is being quiet on BTS-06 Nova Lord because their working hard trying to create the toy for mass release.

If BTS is closed down. Does any other 3rd party company have plans to buy the CAD files for BTS-06 Nova lord and release this toy?


I did some work for BTS years ago. My contact, mentioned something that they went under, or are on hiatus.

You should just wait for MMC's Overlord. Its a much better design, from what they showed me.
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I bought all those IT figures and I love them all. And I display them with classics. I just don’t feel articulated figures belong on a shelf with a bunch of G1 brick figures. Honestly I wish you would spend less time designing melee weapons and start designing figures. I’m confident you could design some top notch stuff that would fit in well with classics but maintain that beloved cartoon accurate aesthetic. And I would buy them. I also would love to see you do more heads for Botcon figures such as G2 Spark/Pyro, Machine Wars Starscream, and G1 Firestar for the Flareup figure. I would be all over those.


I'm sorry I can't cater towards you specifically. Melee weapons have been a big success. The last new designs premiering at Botcon, outsold the Death Czar kit, which was surprising, as that kit did very well itself. So all that tells me is people want those types of weapons, and I have a fun time designing and manufacturing them. I do have a list of head upgrades I want to do, but some stuff takes priority. Pyro and Firestar are on the list.

As for full figures, I have to keep quiet on certain projects...


That's good to know you got some Botcon heads planned. Sometimes Funpub cheaps out. Theres money to be made when that happens. You saved the day with Megaplex and I scored youre alternate version to turn Dreadwing into Machine wars Megatron. :D

I admit not a huge fan of melee weapons. They're ok for some figures if the original G1 toy had one. I prefer guns. But honestly I find that a majority of the guns that come with the new Generations figures are getting better and don't need replacing. (except the IDW Bumblebee/Goldfire/Nightbeat guns which suck) Theres a lot of older figures that need upgrades, but you gotta go digging in the crates. Back before Hasbro started retooling all their repaints.
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Postby Gauntlet101010 » Sat Oct 11, 2014 7:22 am

Sometimes I stick random weapons on random figures. Classics Bumblebee is forever the wielder of the Energon Saber, for instance. I tend to like my millee weapons to come from fiction. Gotta admit the "Buster Sword" I've seen around is tempting.

That said, I'd love some millee weapons based on old cartoons. Or even a flamethrower weapon to go with some Seekers (ala the G1 toon). Most of all I'd love to upgrade my 3rd party stuff with new heads with more of a G1 influence (FP Insecticons, TFC Reflector I am looking at you). A Daniel Headmaster for Arcee would be hilarious too. None of this will ever happen. :(

It's interesting to see that IT contacted you about doing a new Arcee. If it makes you feel better, I don't think the designs were the problem, it was always the build quality, the materials, and the paint. The nontransformable full figures could be more articulated, but as you said - they made a call not to do that. It was a good call suggesting they give them names. Even a really bad name is better than nothing.

I really wonder what the original render for the Alicon and the tetrajet looked like now if it all got washed out.

So, BTS has gone under? That's too bad. They kinda had the same problems as Impossibletoys in their materials and quality. And Sonicron and the tapes showed some iffy design choices.
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