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Re: In Hand Images of MP-16 Frenzy and Buzzsaw

Postby Mindmaster » Mon Jan 07, 2013 6:15 am

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Re: In Hand Images of MP-16 Frenzy and Buzzsaw

Postby Mindmaster » Mon Jan 07, 2013 6:20 am

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CBratetron wrote:Buzzsaw/Laserbeak's head still looks like a camera flips out of the forehead. Has anyone confirmed this?


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Re: In Hand Images of MP-16 Frenzy and Buzzsaw

Postby wewyllenium » Mon Jan 07, 2013 6:21 am

I'm happy. I love being in South East Asia. These will be accessible day one. :D
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Re: In Hand Images of MP-16 Frenzy and Buzzsaw

Postby Cyber Bishop » Mon Jan 07, 2013 7:41 am

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Re: In Hand Images of MP-16 Frenzy and Buzzsaw

Postby AutoBorst » Mon Jan 07, 2013 8:08 am

Really gotta see Laserbeak/Buzzsaw first hand to see how they managed to incorporate the mounted guns into the full transformation. That's crazy.

Even crazier is that price though. Definitely waiting for the Hasbro release, prices on these and Soundwave are just ridiculous.
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Re: In Hand Images of MP-16 Frenzy and Buzzsaw

Postby kirbenvost » Mon Jan 07, 2013 8:48 am

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These do look awesome, but yeah, at $60 for the two of them, we're kind of getting hosed.
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Re: In Hand Images of MP-16 Frenzy and Buzzsaw

Postby mooncake623 » Mon Jan 07, 2013 8:58 am

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Re: In Hand Images of MP-16 Frenzy and Buzzsaw

Postby Rated X » Mon Jan 07, 2013 9:19 am

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It's Rumble dammit get it right !!! If they wanted to go the "toy accurate" route, then Buzzsaw should have come with Soundwave and Lazerbeak should have come with this guy. and yep, they did a crappy job with the silver paint apps going out of the lines. I think fatigue has finally set in to those poor Chinese factory workers that work 16 hours a day painting these things.
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Re: In Hand Images of MP-16 Frenzy and Buzzsaw

Postby mooncake623 » Mon Jan 07, 2013 9:41 am

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I think fatigue has finally set in to those poor Chinese factory workers that work 16 hours a day painting these things.


so you're saying these guys are hand painted?
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Re: In Hand Images of MP-16 Frenzy and Buzzsaw

Postby Rated X » Mon Jan 07, 2013 10:14 am

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mooncake623 wrote:
I think fatigue has finally set in to those poor Chinese factory workers that work 16 hours a day painting these things.


so you're saying these guys are hand painted?



Im pretty sure all paint apps are hand painted. I dont think they have an assembly belt with robot arms that can be programmed to paint different apps on different figures. :lol:
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Re: In Hand Images of MP-16 Frenzy and Buzzsaw

Postby JelZe GoldRabbit » Mon Jan 07, 2013 10:22 am

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Rated X wrote:
mooncake623 wrote:
I think fatigue has finally set in to those poor Chinese factory workers that work 16 hours a day painting these things.


so you're saying these guys are hand painted?



Im pretty sure all paint apps are hand painted. I dont think they have an assembly belt with robot arms that can be programmed to paint different apps on different figures. :lol:


Tampographs and paint masks aren't in your dictionary then? Even then, machines can mess up at times :lol:

And in Japan, Frenzy is blue, Rumble is red. Always has been, even in their dub. Period ;)
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Re: In Hand Images of MP-16 Frenzy and Buzzsaw

Postby mooncake623 » Mon Jan 07, 2013 10:24 am

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Rated X wrote:
mooncake623 wrote:
I think fatigue has finally set in to those poor Chinese factory workers that work 16 hours a day painting these things.


so you're saying these guys are hand painted?



Im pretty sure all paint apps are hand painted. I dont think they have an assembly belt with robot arms that can be programmed to paint different apps on different figures. :lol:



I'm not sure either but you're just assuming. I don't see why they won't have an assembly belt painting figures that are being mass produced. doesn't matter how little you pay factory workers but if paint apps are being painted by hand... it's not cost effective and it'll take forever....

Also look at your figures... you think the paint apps are hand painted?
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Re: In Hand Images of MP-16 Frenzy and Buzzsaw

Postby SJ21 » Mon Jan 07, 2013 10:37 am

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Re: In Hand Images of MP-16 Frenzy and Buzzsaw

Postby Sabrblade » Mon Jan 07, 2013 12:36 pm

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Rated X wrote:It's Rumble dammit get it right !!!
They did. Dude, this is Takara, remember? In Japan. Frenzy was always the purple/blue one in the Japanese version, so they're just following how it's always been.

The English-language version of the G1 cartoon is not the end-all, be-all, definitive version of Generation 1. No such thing exists.

If Hasbro releases this over here, they're probably label this figure "Rumble" since they seem to be in a "FIRRIB" mindset these days. But it was always "RIRFIB" from the very beginning before the cartoon came along and swapped their names/colors for some unspecified reason.
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Re: In Hand Images of MP-16 Frenzy and Buzzsaw

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Re: In Hand Images of MP-16 Frenzy and Buzzsaw

Postby Rated X » Mon Jan 07, 2013 4:03 pm

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mooncake623 wrote:
Rated X wrote:
mooncake623 wrote:
I think fatigue has finally set in to those poor Chinese factory workers that work 16 hours a day painting these things.


so you're saying these guys are hand painted?



Im pretty sure all paint apps are hand painted. I dont think they have an assembly belt with robot arms that can be programmed to paint different apps on different figures. :lol:



I'm not sure either but you're just assuming. I don't see why they won't have an assembly belt painting figures that are being mass produced. doesn't matter how little you pay factory workers but if paint apps are being painted by hand... it's not cost effective and it'll take forever....

Also look at your figures... you think the paint apps are hand painted?



Honestly I believe all apps are hand painted. Doing things by hand has always been something asian people are very talented at. They are masters at detail. And Chinese labor is dirt cheap. Thats why the Has/Tak factories are in China instead of Japan. But looking at the latest pics above this post, the paint apps are all screwed up on these. Just look at the silver on the left side of Rumble/Frenzy's chest ans the crotch as well...
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Re: In Hand Images of MP-16 Frenzy and Buzzsaw

Postby Delta Magnus » Mon Jan 07, 2013 4:22 pm

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Silly Takara, you got Frenzy's colours wrong. Also, Frenzy never used the Piledrivers (although seeing as this is actually Rumble, that doesn't really matter!)
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Re: In Hand Images of MP-16 Frenzy and Buzzsaw

Postby KNM2012 » Mon Jan 07, 2013 4:23 pm

Rated X wrote:It's Rumble dammit get it right !!!


According to Marvel Comics, which was the publication that both created and started this franchise for Hasbro, Rumble is the red one. Hasbro has even made the original Generation 1 Rumble be the red one. And it was only Sunbow who disregarded this fact - As Frenzy did a lot of rumbling, and they felt that it would confuse the children who watched it.

However, even though Takara chose to go by the names used in both the comic and toyline, it does reflect why they chose to change Optimus Prime's name to "Convoy." ;)

Rated X wrote:If they wanted to go the "toy accurate" route, then Buzzsaw should have come with Soundwave and Lazerbeak should have come with this guy.


Actually, the Japanese version of Buzzsaw was never packaged with Soundwave. It was packaged in the VSZ set, which included Sunstreaker and Skids. Rumble was the one that came packaged with Soundwave (when it comes to the Japanese packaging). ;)
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Re: In Hand Images of MP-16 Frenzy and Buzzsaw

Postby mooncake623 » Mon Jan 07, 2013 4:36 pm

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Honestly I believe all apps are hand painted. Doing things by hand has always been something asian people are very talented at. They are masters at detail. And Chinese labor is dirt cheap. Thats why the Has/Tak factories are in China instead of Japan. But looking at the latest pics above this post, the paint apps are all screwed up on these. Just look at the silver on the left side of Rumble/Frenzy's chest ans the crotch as well...


Thanks completely untrue. And way to generalize Asian people. Also Has/Tak's factories are in Vietnam... its not the same...
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Re: In Hand Images of MP-16 Frenzy and Buzzsaw

Postby Blurrz » Mon Jan 07, 2013 4:38 pm

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Rated X wrote:Honestly I believe all apps are hand painted. Doing things by hand has always been something asian people are very talented at. They are masters at detail. And Chinese labor is dirt cheap. Thats why the Has/Tak factories are in China instead of Japan. But looking at the latest pics above this post, the paint apps are all screwed up on these. Just look at the silver on the left side of Rumble/Frenzy's chest ans the crotch as well...


1) All applications are not hand painted. The majority of applications, like faction symbols or decals are applied via tampographs - applied through heat and pressure. If they were paint you would be able to chip it off. Of course there are some times where paint is applied, like in holes or in spots where chipping would likely not occur.

2) Doing things by hand is something that people are good at. Stop being ethnocentric.

3) It's not because Chinese labor is cheap, it's because countries like Japan and South Korea have unions, ethics committee - none of that exists in rural China. Corporations like Hasbro don't want to deal with all of that red tape, so they move to countries (Vietnam and China) where ethics is nonexistent.

4) Whether or not it's by hand or by machine, machines make mistakes too.
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Re: In Hand Images of MP-16 Frenzy and Buzzsaw

Postby Stormrider » Mon Jan 07, 2013 8:56 pm

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CBratetron wrote:Buzzsaw/Laserbeak's head still looks like a camera flips out of the forehead. Has anyone confirmed this?

I marvel at the lack of add-on bits for Laserbeak and Ravage.


yes, a camera does flip out. I can't recall where the picture is but I have seen it.

I am really digging these guys. Strange that they are not showing more of what the pile drivers turn into when not actually pile driving. from the accessory that clips on, I am guessing they are turn into batteries? Can anyone else confirm?

Love the face on Frenzy. Does Rumble have a different face mold? The silver paint on Frenzy's chest is bothering me. Is there a way to fix it, paint it? What is the L2412 reference on Frenzy? Scale wise, I believe both are just slightly smaller than then the originals.

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Re: In Hand Images of MP-16 Frenzy and Buzzsaw

Postby El Duque » Mon Jan 07, 2013 11:46 pm

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A second set of images of Takara Tomy's MP-16 Frenzy and Buzzsaw have emerged over on ACToys. These images give an even better look at the dastardly Decepticon duo.

Additionally we also have a couple of shots of their instruction sheet from the poster who shared the earlier set of images. It appears the upcoming MP-13 Soundwave will be able to store Frenzy's weapons in alt mode and mount his pile drivers on his arm as a double barreled cannon of sorts.

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Re: In Hand Images of MP-16 Frenzy and Buzzsaw

Postby Trikeboy » Mon Jan 07, 2013 11:58 pm

I love how the parts integrate into Soundwave. Next to MP Soundwave, that Lazerbeak/Buzzsaw mould could go down as the best mould of the year, and it's only January. I still say that the head on Frenzy/Rumble are too large and I hope a kit-basher makes replacement heads for them.
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Re: In Hand Images of MP-16 Frenzy and Buzzsaw

Postby xyl360 » Tue Jan 08, 2013 12:11 am

The more I see of these little guys, the more impressed I am with them, especially considering that in cassette mode, they're the same size as the original G1 cassettes. I can't imagine more perfect versions of these guys. Bravo Takara engineers, you knocked this one out of the park.

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Re: In Hand Images of MP-16 Frenzy and Buzzsaw

Postby CBratetron » Tue Jan 08, 2013 12:20 am

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