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These sets are good if you missed out on the first ones. I can pass on the shiny. The packaging is cool though.

Sabrblade wrote:

Rated X wrote:On the faction symbols, I know it's cartoon accurate. But it's also pointless. What were the G1 animators thinking when they did that ? Did they even look at the toys back in 1984 ?

I'm looking this up for ya, as i'm sure there's some reason for it.

Hey X, I got a response for ya (didn't think I forgot, did you?).

From what I can gather, the reason the Seekers have the Con logos faced the way they are in the animation models is due to that simply being standard protocol for military aircraft that have insignia adorning their wings.

It's so that when there are two jets flying in the same direction, with one flying above the other, the pilot of the higher jet can look down to view the logo on the wings of the lower jet and use that logo to identify the allegiance of the lower jet. And to do so with ease. Otherwise, the logo would appear upside-down to the pilot of the higher altitude and would make things more difficult for the pilot, especially during aerial combat situations.

And if the higher jet were flying in the opposite direction of the lower jet, the pilot wouldn't be able to easily spot the logo on the lower jet's wings what with them both going at such high speeds in opposing directions.

Therefore, the logos on military aircraft must face towards the rear of the craft and, evidently, the cartoon animators were merely following this logic, regardless of the orientation the original toys' instructions said to apply the Con logos in (and since they were stickers anyway, any kid could ignored the instructions and applied them however they wanted to, or even choose not to apply them).

I'm lucky enough to have the Classics releases and the Generations releases of these sets and can't justify the premium for shiny paint jobs

But damn, they look smart.....

The box art making a montage too, that's just the icing on the cake. Well Played TT.

Now please, get that Rainmaker set into prodcution...

Pretender Skywarp wrote:I'm lucky enough to have the Classics releases and the Generations releases of these sets and can't justify the premium for shiny paint jobs

But damn, they look smart.....

The box art making a montage too, that's just the icing on the cake. Well Played TT.

Now please, get that Rainmaker set into prodcution...

I agree! One more squeeze out of that milk cow of a mold before retiring it completely! The 3 Rainmakers and Sunstorm!

I already have all 6 Seekers, Classics and Generations, but I wouldn't mind a more G1 accurate Starscream.

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Now please, get that Rainmaker set into prodcution...

I agree! One more squeeze out of that milk cow of a mold before retiring it completely! The 3 Rainmakers and Sunstorm!

I already have all 6 Seekers, Classics and Generations, but I wouldn't mind a more G1 accurate Starscream. [/quote]

I've always been surprised that the "Club" didn't get onto the Rainmakers. You'd have thought the two "missing" ones and Sunstorm would have been right up their street. It's a shame that KO's are a fans best bet

As for Starscream, I've always ummedd and aaahd over the Classics V Universe one, but settled for Classics purely on the basis that I bought it first!!

Sabrblade wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Rated X wrote:On the faction symbols, I know it's cartoon accurate. But it's also pointless. What were the G1 animators thinking when they did that ? Did they even look at the toys back in 1984 ?

I'm looking this up for ya, as i'm sure there's some reason for it.

Hey X, I got a response for ya (didn't think I forgot, did you?).

From what I can gather, the reason the Seekers have the Con logos faced the way they are in the animation models is due to that simply being standard protocol for military aircraft that have insignia adorning their wings.

It's so that when there are two jets flying in the same direction, with one flying above the other, the pilot of the higher jet can look down to view the logo on the wings of the lower jet and use that logo to identify the allegiance of the lower jet. And to do so with ease. Otherwise, the logo would appear upside-down to the pilot of the higher altitude and would make things more difficult for the pilot, especially during aerial combat situations.

And if the higher jet were flying in the opposite direction of the lower jet, the pilot wouldn't be able to easily spot the logo on the lower jet's wings what with them both going at such high speeds in opposing directions.

Therefore, the logos on military aircraft must face towards the rear of the craft and, evidently, the cartoon animators were merely following this logic, regardless of the orientation the original toys' instructions said to apply the Con logos in (and since they were stickers anyway, any kid could ignored the instructions and applied them however they wanted to, or even choose not to apply them).

Much more detailed than what I would have assumed, that it's more accurate to real jet signage. Interesting reasoning...thanks.

I personally like them this way (toon accurate) and I hate when they do them the other way. They only thing worse, though, is when they do a couple one way and then do the third of the crew the other.

Sabrblade wrote:It's so that when there are two jets flying in the same direction, with one flying above the other, the pilot of the higher jet can look down to view the logo on the wings of the lower jet and use that logo to identify the allegiance of the lower jet. And to do so with ease. Otherwise, the logo would appear upside-down to the pilot of the higher altitude and would make things more difficult for the pilot, especially during aerial combat situations.

The majority of Military Aircraft Insignia are in the form of a circle to avoid such issues. Although other shapes such as pentagons and squares etc are used, the most common shape is the circle as the shape and colors can be identified from any direction. The US military for instance have had the Stars and Bars Roundel in use from 1918 (i think). Pilots in a dogfight aren't allowed the luxury to circle back and check which way the logo was facing.

Sabrblade wrote:Therefore, the logos on military aircraft must face towards the rear of the craft and, evidently, the cartoon animators were merely following this logic, regardless of the orientation the original toys' instructions said to apply the Con logos in (and since they were stickers anyway, any kid could ignored the instructions and applied them however they wanted to, or even choose not to apply them).

Possible, but unlikely. If we were to follow this logic to it's conclusion, all the jets in the animated series should have their emblems facing the same way. Ramjet, Thrust and Dirge all have their emblems facing forward, the four Aerialbots (Silverbolt is excluded as he's a passenger craft) vary between episodes, sometimes between scenes. And they're all fighter jets, so it would stand to reason that if the animators were following aviation models, this standard should have been followed across the board.
I suspect that a Hasbro rep bought a Starscream toy with the stickers applied facing the rear to the animation studio and they just ran with it. Considering all three original Seekers were identical except for coloring, it was purely an aesthetic decision.

I'll have to check my Complete Ark book to see which way the and logos are facing on all their animation models, but even if the circle is the most common shape, this is a special exception to that standard since, well, is not circular.

The ACE set of Seekers (non-coneheads) just landed in my POL over at BBTS !