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Re: In-Package Images: Generations Blaster & Grimlock, MP-14 Red Alert, Capbots, Arms Micron AM-27,28,29

Postby PrymeStriker » Fri Dec 14, 2012 2:48 am

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Rated X wrote:I just cant believe people want a voyager Grimlock so badly they are blind by the ugliness of this figure.


We're aware of it's flaws; we're not stupid.

The robot mode looks like animated Grimlock with a classics style head.


Because his toy's robot mode looks nothing like the game. Nothing. At all. Nope. Totally different.



with a skinny body, fat head and fat tail.


No argument about the tail, but what's wrong with his head?



Yep he looks nothing like the game in robot mode. The game image is nice and stocky and the toy has a slender waist and legs closer to the animated version. Plus the exposed shoulder joints look annoying to me. They could of hid them better and made the arms closer to the gold part of the torso. Alot of people like me dont really care about the WFC/FOC continuity and use these figures as stand ins for a classics collection. Thats why the shared aesthetics with animated Grimlock turn me off so much. As far as the Dino head, its too big for the neck so it looks goofy to me. I wonder if he could same me hundreds of dollars in car insurance...


They got every last detail on the robot mode right. The problem is his proportions, namely the shoulders and legs. If he looked "nothing like his in-game robot mode" then he'd be a Starscream repaint. >:oP
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Re: In-Package Images: Generations Blaster & Grimlock, MP-14 Red Alert, Capbots, Arms Micron AM-27,28,29

Postby That Bot » Fri Dec 14, 2012 3:14 am

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I can deal with having somewhat skinny legs because his tail is already fat as hell. If his legs were any bigger, the tail would be twice the size of the rest of the figure in T-rex mode. And honestly, this works just fine as a classics Grimlock. It has Grimlock's build, his colors, that perfect head, it has the timeless Grimlock transformation, and it's BIG. It turns into a more modernized robot T-Rex with a light-up gimmick in his mouth that you can pretend is him blowing fire. I haven't seen very many people here besides you, Rated X, who say they only care about classics-style figs, and even then, Hasbro's target with this figure is squarely kids. He's the most likely of any of the FOC Generations figures for kids to want, because he is a freaking robot t-rex. You don't have to play the games to appreciate that. That screams "cool" to pretty much any boy over the age of 4. So the goal with this figure isn't to appeal to the lucrative adult collector market as much as the Classics and first Generations line were, and thus the ideal of a Classics-style aesthetic isn't the priority. I'm sorry you don't like it, but I think you're being entirely too hard on it. If this figure doesn't fill your Classics Grimlock needs, get a Masterpiece.
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Re: In-Package Images: Generations Blaster & Grimlock, MP-14 Red Alert, Capbots, Arms Micron AM-27,28,29

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Re: In-Package Images: Generations Blaster & Grimlock, MP-14 Red Alert, Capbots, Arms Micron AM-27,28,29

Postby Va'al » Fri Dec 14, 2012 5:17 am

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From the images that Sabrblade reposted, it looks as though the accessories can peg onto his legs in dino mode, but not under his chest as people would like.

Hm. More food for thought.
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Re: In-Package Images: Generations Blaster & Grimlock, MP-14 Red Alert, Capbots, Arms Micron AM-27,28,29

Postby Banjo-Tron » Fri Dec 14, 2012 6:38 am

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Re: In-Package Images: Generations Blaster & Grimlock, MP-14 Red Alert, Capbots, Arms Micron AM-27,28,29

Postby njb902 » Fri Dec 14, 2012 7:44 am

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Re: In-Package Images: Generations Blaster & Grimlock, MP-14 Red Alert, Capbots, Arms Micron AM-27,28,29

Postby Rated X » Fri Dec 14, 2012 1:54 pm

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That Bot wrote:I can deal with having somewhat skinny legs because his tail is already fat as hell. If his legs were any bigger, the tail would be twice the size of the rest of the figure in T-rex mode. And honestly, this works just fine as a classics Grimlock. It has Grimlock's build, his colors, that perfect head, it has the timeless Grimlock transformation, and it's BIG. It turns into a more modernized robot T-Rex with a light-up gimmick in his mouth that you can pretend is him blowing fire. I haven't seen very many people here besides you, Rated X, who say they only care about classics-style figs, and even then, Hasbro's target with this figure is squarely kids. He's the most likely of any of the FOC Generations figures for kids to want, because he is a freaking robot t-rex. You don't have to play the games to appreciate that. That screams "cool" to pretty much any boy over the age of 4. So the goal with this figure isn't to appeal to the lucrative adult collector market as much as the Classics and first Generations line were, and thus the ideal of a Classics-style aesthetic isn't the priority. I'm sorry you don't like it, but I think you're being entirely too hard on it. If this figure doesn't fill your Classics Grimlock needs, get a Masterpiece.



I see youre point. But you must admit the Generations line wasnt designed to be hijacked by FOC. It is meant to be a homage line of different "Generations" and lately I havent seen anything but FOC under that line. (Im not counting GDO repaints, I mean new molds) I dont even consider a video game a continuity. Without a cartoon or comic storyline, it is nothing more than digital artwork and figures inspired by the likes of such. At least thats my opinion.

On to the figure itself. In my opinion they basicly took Animated Grimlock and changed his smooth round surfaces and replaced them with more flat surfaces with angles and details. I dont like the enlarged head with skinnier neck. It looks like the Geico Gekko. I want a Big dumb T-Rex that drags his tail. I dont want a streamlined scientificly correct T-Rex that looks more like a Raptor from Jurassic park. And I think everybody agrees that the tail sucks. Since Dino's are supposed to be big. Ive been using MP Grimlock as classics Grimlock for a long time and I dont see this version as an upgrade. Ill probally get it. But I dont have faith in Hasbro doing the other 4 Dinobots. But maybe a 3rd party add on kit might come out for this guy. I buy alot of Hasbro stuff based on that notion.

Now Blaster on the other hand, is just f**king awesome. He makes the perfect classics Blaster and theres even a fan made boombox mode that looks like a new school boombox. Im going for the Takara version, but I might consider buying a Hasbro Blaster and Soundwave to kitbash a Twincast. Or maybe I should just wait since they did Soundblaster.
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Re: In-Package Images: Generations Blaster & Grimlock, MP-14 Red Alert, Capbots, Arms Micron AM-27,28,29

Postby starwarrior1227 » Fri Dec 14, 2012 2:03 pm

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that back pack just killed it for me.
there should be NO way that the dino mode has a hallow belly, yet robot mode has a HUGE chest and a large backpack
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Re: In-Package Images: Generations Blaster & Grimlock, MP-14 Red Alert, Capbots, Arms Micron AM-27,28,29

Postby RAcast » Fri Dec 14, 2012 2:08 pm

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Noideaforaname wrote:More (and clearer) pics here:
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that back pack just killed it for me.
there should be NO way that the dino mode has a hallow belly, yet robot mode has a HUGE chest and a large backpack

The dino mode does have hollow stomach so the dino head can collapse into it. And besides, since when has Grimlock NOT had a backpack made of dino?
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Re: In-Package Images: Generations Blaster & Grimlock, MP-14 Red Alert, Capbots, Arms Micron AM-27,28,29

Postby starwarrior1227 » Fri Dec 14, 2012 2:10 pm

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Noideaforaname wrote:More (and clearer) pics here:
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that back pack just killed it for me.
there should be NO way that the dino mode has a hallow belly, yet robot mode has a HUGE chest and a large backpack

The dino mode does have hollow stomach so the dino head can collapse into it. And besides, since when has Grimlock NOT had a backpack made of dino?


i dont remember grimlock ever having a backpack THAT big
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Re: In-Package Images: Generations Blaster & Grimlock, MP-14 Red Alert, Capbots, Arms Micron AM-27,28,29

Postby Sabrblade » Fri Dec 14, 2012 2:12 pm

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Noideaforaname wrote:More (and clearer) pics here:
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WHAAAAAT!!! He's SHORTER than the Soundwave/Soundblaster/Blaster mold?!!!

Rated X wrote:I see youre point. But you must admit the Generations line wasnt designed to be hijacked by FOC. It is meant to be a homage line of different "Generations" and lately I havent seen anything but FOC under that line. (Im not counting GDO repaints, I mean new molds)
That's because they started with putting WFC molds into the line at first, and then the FOC game came out and now they gotta get those toys going since it's the new big thing on the market besides Prime. While thye could have made a new toyline for these, it's probably due to the WFC toys that were in the line before that opened the door for these FOC molds to be sold in this line instead.

Rated X wrote:I dont even consider a video game a continuity. Without a cartoon or comic storyline, it is nothing more than digital artwork and figures inspired by the likes of such. At least thats my opinion.
It's not that it's a "continuity", but a "franchise". FOC has not just a game, but a comic and toys as well. Some franchises don't even have anything BUT toys.

As far as the game being a continuity goes, it has a far better narrative flow than most TF video games, telling a crucial point in the bigger Transformers story not told anywhere else. If one want to know what happens in that particular chapter of the story, one has to go to the game to experience it.

Rated X wrote:On to the figure itself. In my opinion they basicly took Animated Grimlock and changed his smooth round surfaces and replaced them with more flat surfaces with angles and details.
Yet, the transformation schemes are entirely different. The robot torso front forms the back (not the stomach) of the T-Rex. There are no back kibble "wings" like the animated figure had. The robot shoulders shift inward and outward when transforming to the T-Rex thighs and back, whereas the Animated figure's robot shoulders/T-Rex thighs stay put. the legs transform from the tail differently. And the proportions differ with Animated Grimlock being more akin to the G1 Grimlock T-Rex while this one being more like a realistic T-Rex.

Rated X wrote:I want a Big dumb T-Rex that drags his tail.
Well, they made an intent to make sure that this Grimlock wasn't dumb.

Rated X wrote:I dont want a streamlined scientificly correct T-Rex that looks more like a Raptor from Jurassic park.
Even though the Jurassic Park Raptors were just as scientifically incorrect as G1 Grimlock's T-Rex. ;)
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Re: In-Package Images: Generations Blaster & Grimlock, MP-14 Red Alert, Capbots, Arms Micron AM-27,28,29

Postby Sabrblade » Fri Dec 14, 2012 2:17 pm

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starwarrior1227 wrote:that back pack just killed it for me.
there should be NO way that the dino mode has a hallow belly, yet robot mode has a HUGE chest and a large backpack
You're only viewing the toy. How can you tell how large the back kibble is?

RAcast wrote:The dino mode does have hollow stomach so the dino head can collapse into it. And besides, since when has Grimlock NOT had a backpack made of dino?
Pretender Grimlock, Action Master Grimlock, Beast Wars Grimlock, Alternators Grimlock... Hey, you asked. :lol:

starwarrior1227 wrote:i dont remember grimlock ever having a backpack THAT big
G1 and Masterpiece Grimlock had giant WINGS on their backs. That's bigger than what we got here.
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Re: In-Package Images: Generations Blaster & Grimlock, MP-14 Red Alert, Capbots, Arms Micron AM-27,28,29

Postby Noideaforaname » Fri Dec 14, 2012 2:18 pm

RAcast wrote:And besides, since when has Grimlock NOT had a backpack made of dino?

Well, technically, FoC Grim isn't *supposed* to have a dino-backpack; in fact, his character model has little to nothing T. rex-esque on him, and as a result his video game transform sequence is cheaty as hell (hence why it's always so cinematic in campaign mode).

I do wish it collapsed in a bit more, but it is incredibly clever how the light for the "flamethrower" is also used to light up the body like when Grimlock was enraged in the game.
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Re: In-Package Images: Generations Blaster & Grimlock, MP-14 Red Alert, Capbots, Arms Micron AM-27,28,29

Postby RAcast » Fri Dec 14, 2012 2:28 pm

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RAcast wrote:The dino mode does have hollow stomach so the dino head can collapse into it. And besides, since when has Grimlock NOT had a backpack made of dino?
Pretender Grimlock, Action Master Grimlock, Beast Wars Grimlock, Alternators Grimlock... Hey, you asked. :lol:

I suppose I walked right into that one, didn't I? xD

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RAcast wrote:And besides, since when has Grimlock NOT had a backpack made of dino?

Well, technically, FoC Grim isn't *supposed* to have a dino-backpack; in fact, his character model has little to nothing T. rex-esque on him, and as a result his video game transform sequence is cheaty as hell (hence why it's always so cinematic in campaign mode).

I do wish it collapsed in a bit more, but it is incredibly clever how the light for the "flamethrower" is also used to light up the body like when Grimlock was enraged in the game.

Agreed. But the gimmick just works so nicely, I'm willing to make the sacrifice of a little backpack-age. I really do wish there was an extra hinge on the backpack to make his kibble wings though. I know it's not part of the FoC design, but it's always been one of my favorite nuances of G1 Grimlock's design. :P
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Re: In-Package Images: Generations Blaster & Grimlock, MP-14 Red Alert, Capbots, Arms Micron AM-27,28,29

Postby starwarrior1227 » Fri Dec 14, 2012 2:40 pm

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starwarrior1227 wrote:that back pack just killed it for me.
there should be NO way that the dino mode has a hallow belly, yet robot mode has a HUGE chest and a large backpack
You're only viewing the toy. How can you tell how large the back kibble is?

RAcast wrote:The dino mode does have hollow stomach so the dino head can collapse into it. And besides, since when has Grimlock NOT had a backpack made of dino?
Pretender Grimlock, Action Master Grimlock, Beast Wars Grimlock, Alternators Grimlock... Hey, you asked. :lol:

starwarrior1227 wrote:i dont remember grimlock ever having a backpack THAT big
G1 and Masterpiece Grimlock had giant WINGS on their backs. That's bigger than what we got here.


1. i can tell from latest pic.
2. ya but masterpiece made the wings look AWESOME(and i remember him having wings in the G1 cartoon if i remember correctly)! and you cant blame G1 for the limted tech of the time.
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Re: In-Package Images: Generations Blaster & Grimlock, MP-14 Red Alert, Capbots, Arms Micron AM-27,28,29

Postby That Bot » Fri Dec 14, 2012 3:28 pm

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People complain about the legs being small and the tail being big. They're the same part. If they made the legs bigger, the tail would be goddamn gigantic. If they made the tail smaller, the legs would be skeletal. You can't have it both ways on this one.
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That Bot wrote:People complain about the legs being small and the tail being big. They're the same part. If they made the legs bigger, the tail would be goddamn gigantic. If they made the tail smaller, the legs would be skeletal. You can't have it both ways on this one.

I made that point earlier, nobody listens. >:oP
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That Bot wrote:People complain about the legs being small and the tail being big. They're the same part. If they made the legs bigger, the tail would be goddamn gigantic. If they made the tail smaller, the legs would be skeletal. You can't have it both ways on this one.

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Postby SKYWARPED_128 » Fri Dec 14, 2012 7:11 pm

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Re: In-Package Images: Generations Blaster & Grimlock, MP-14 Red Alert, Capbots, Arms Micron AM-27,28,29

Postby Sabrblade » Fri Dec 14, 2012 8:54 pm

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I think the big issue here is that the people here who want this to be like an updated G1 Grimlock and still don't like it simply have standards that are way too specific.

Hasbro already gave us an updated Classics-style Grimlock in the form of the Classics Grimlock from 2006. But people complained that it wasn't faithful enough to the G1 Grimlock and felt too different.

Then we got the Masterpiece Grimlock that was VERY faithful to the G1 Grimlock while still being updated from the G1 version. But, they still complained for the opposite reason: It isn't that much of an update since it's just the straight up G1 version with modern engineering.

Fast forward to today and we have this Grimlock. A very updated Grimlock with a faithful appearance to the G1 version while also being different enough to call an update (even though it represents a different character, but these people are looking for G1 updates rather than new characters). Surely such a combination would satisfy those who are getting all that they ever wanted, right?

Right?

"It's ugly."

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Hasbro finally gives what was asked of them, and the resultant response given is, "It's ugly."

>:oP

This just goes to show that there is simply no pleasing people. They asked for a Classic-style update that resembles the G1 Grimlock faithfully enough while still being different enough to be called an update, and they turn it down for the pickiest of reasons.

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You know something? If this isn't enough, then I don't know what is. Masterpiece Grimlock is the most definitive version of G1 Grimlock we've ever gotten, but people want an update. What baffles the mind is why anyone would want such an update when said update is not how the character looked in the fiction. Masterpiece Grimlock is the most show-accurate representation of the character we've ever gotten. If it's an update that's wanted, go for Classics Grimlock. If Classics Grimlock is too different from how Grimlock is supposed to look, then why on Earth would one want to get an updated version in the first place? Just go for the one that actually LOOKS like Grimlock. And here we have a Grimlock that is, for all intents and purposes, a compromise between the updated look of the Classics-style figures and the show-accuracy of the Masterpiece figures, and just so happens to also resemble the video game design of Aligned Grimlock. Despite being a separate character, the toy is still ripe for the repurposing into a Classics-style G1 Grimlock. Yet, even when ALL the demands of these people have been met by this toy, they can't help but still look for faults in this figure to nitpick about.

Ya'll know what? If Hasbro still didn't meet these satisfactions with this toy, then they probably never will. They already made a Classic-style updated Grimlock (Classics), a G1-accurate Grimlock (Masterpiece), and halfway point between the two (this one). They likely aren't going to try again after hitting the nail so many times just because a certain group of fans have the most meticulous of standards that no real world toy company like Hasbro, TakaraTomy, or anyone would ever cater to, as that's just expecting way too much.

And this is especially since Hasbro isn't even interested in doing more Classics-style figures right now since they're putting all their effort into getting the FOC figures out and available to the public. The Classics-style G1 character figures have had their turn and now it's time for others to have theirs. While Classics-style figures will likely come back at a later point, right now is not the time. And if and when they do make their return, there likely won't be another Grimlock since that requirement was already met three times over with Classics Grimlock, MP Grimlock, and Generations FOC Grimlock. If none of these three Grimlock toys are satisfactory enough for a Classics-style collection, then I don't know what else to say other than something like, "Oh well."

Man, I need a drink.
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Re: In-Package Images: Generations Blaster & Grimlock, MP-14 Red Alert, Capbots, Arms Micron AM-27,28,29

Postby RAcast » Fri Dec 14, 2012 9:13 pm

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I hear ya Sabrblade, this thread is...somewhat maddening because there are people bitching for the sake of bitching.

A rather ASTOUNDING number of people no less. I mean, I'm used to the one or two people complaining about little things and I'm like "oh well they're just the type who can't be happy," but now that we're talking about a BIG, popular character, GRIMLOCK no less, those people are just coming out of the woodworks! :lol: I'm done trying to help people see the light, haha. I'm just walking away from this thread.

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