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Re: In-Package Images Transformers Prime Wave 4 Voyagers Ultra Magnus & Thundertron

Postby kirbenvost » Sun Sep 16, 2012 1:34 pm

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Yep, same here. Sweet claw-fists, too. 8) But I'll likely pass, Beastformers don't normally do much for me.

Ultra Magnus, yes! I'm loving the hammer gun too.
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Re: In-Package Images Transformers Prime Wave 4 Voyagers Ultra Magnus & Thundertron

Postby MGrotusque » Sun Sep 16, 2012 2:22 pm

Thought i'd be more excited over Thundertron. Nice detailing on him though.

That's a decent Magnus i have to admit but it's a pass for me.
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Re: In-Package Images Transformers Prime Wave 4 Voyagers Ultra Magnus & Thundertron

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Re: In-Package Images Transformers Prime Wave 4 Voyagers Ultra Magnus & Thundertron

Postby chuckdawg1999 » Sun Sep 16, 2012 4:41 pm

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chuckdawg1999 wrote:So we have full confirmation that Ultra Magnus' hammer locks. I find it funny that out of all the Voyagers thus far he got the nod to have a locking weapon. I wonder why he was chosen like that.
Looks like Thundertron's sword locks into place too.


Because they were too stupid to think of doing this sooner. :roll:


1) I'm not sure about Thundertron's sword since it was being held while deployed. Although it's hard to tell since the blade is so long.

2) Let's not call Hasbro stupid, they couldn't include locks due to cost restrictions, perhaps going forward melee based weapons will lock open.
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Re: In-Package Images Transformers Prime Wave 4 Voyagers Ultra Magnus & Thundertron

Postby PrymeStriker » Sun Sep 16, 2012 5:21 pm

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chuckdawg1999 wrote:
PrymeStriker wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
chuckdawg1999 wrote:So we have full confirmation that Ultra Magnus' hammer locks. I find it funny that out of all the Voyagers thus far he got the nod to have a locking weapon. I wonder why he was chosen like that.
Looks like Thundertron's sword locks into place too.


Because they were too stupid to think of doing this sooner. :roll:


2) Let's not call Hasbro stupid, they couldn't include locks due to cost restrictions, perhaps going forward melee based weapons will lock open.


Gee, I wonder why they have cost restrictions.

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Re: In-Package Images Transformers Prime Wave 4 Voyagers Ultra Magnus & Thundertron

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Re: In-Package Images Transformers Prime Wave 4 Voyagers Ultra Magnus & Thundertron

Postby chuckdawg1999 » Sun Sep 16, 2012 5:33 pm

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PrymeStriker wrote:
chuckdawg1999 wrote:
PrymeStriker wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
chuckdawg1999 wrote:So we have full confirmation that Ultra Magnus' hammer locks. I find it funny that out of all the Voyagers thus far he got the nod to have a locking weapon. I wonder why he was chosen like that.
Looks like Thundertron's sword locks into place too.


Because they were too stupid to think of doing this sooner. :roll:


2) Let's not call Hasbro stupid, they couldn't include locks due to cost restrictions, perhaps going forward melee based weapons will lock open.


Gee, I wonder why they have cost restrictions.


Because we're in a global recession that's led to the increase in the cost of plastic. Not because they make multiple bumblebees who is one of their most popular characters and continues to sell, just not to collectors; who don't count.
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Re: In-Package Images Transformers Prime Wave 4 Voyagers Ultra Magnus & Thundertron

Postby PrymeStriker » Sun Sep 16, 2012 5:53 pm

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chuckdawg1999 wrote:
PrymeStriker wrote:
chuckdawg1999 wrote:
PrymeStriker wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
chuckdawg1999 wrote:So we have full confirmation that Ultra Magnus' hammer locks. I find it funny that out of all the Voyagers thus far he got the nod to have a locking weapon. I wonder why he was chosen like that.
Looks like Thundertron's sword locks into place too.


Because they were too stupid to think of doing this sooner. :roll:


2) Let's not call Hasbro stupid, they couldn't include locks due to cost restrictions, perhaps going forward melee based weapons will lock open.


Gee, I wonder why they have cost restrictions.


Because we're in a global recession that's led to the increase in the cost of plastic. Not because they make multiple bumblebees who is one of their most popular characters and continues to sell, just not to collectors; who don't count.


Because the kids don't want Bulkhead (who's had more story arc and screentime than Bumblebee in Prime), or Megatron, or Optimus, or anybody else. Noooo. They just want Bumblebee! They're going to sit 10 or 12 Bumblebees at a table and have a spot of tea. It's the best thing to do with fighting robots.

Look, they're wasting their expensive plastic on the PRiD figures that got FE figures (although I will give them Arcee, Megatron, and Vehicon. Those 3 are far superior) and making them worse; Mistake #1.

The retailers are buying a bunch of cases with tons of Bumblebees (which is partially Hasbro's fault for putting an extensive amount of Bumblebees in one case) because they think Bumblebee will sell more; Mistake #2 (I've seen plenty of kids crying and shouting to their moms at the store that there's nobody else but Bumblebee)

They put even more expensive plastic into non-show characters. Plastic that could have went to Breakdown, Shockwave (although I doubt they'd do that), Smokescreen, Insecticon, and others; Mistake #3.

We're turning more and more to online retail because of these stores and Hasbro screwing us all over with Bumblebees and utter pieces of crap that didn't need toys in the first place. Not saying Thundertron, Magnus, Rumble, and Kup are garbage. They're great. But the plastic used for them could have been used for the in-show Transformers listed above.

You're not expecting me to believe the mass-produce of Bumblebee has nothing to do with their budget, economic situations aside. Parents are going to get tired of buying their child their 1,000,000th Bumblebee. And you're not going to convince me that every kid is a stereotype. That every kid lacks a working mind and thinks the only Transformer in the world is Bumblebee.

And if Bumblebee sells so much, that's why a lot of retails have had the same amount of Bumblebees in the same place for 5 damn months.

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Re: In-Package Images Transformers Prime Wave 4 Voyagers Ultra Magnus & Thundertron

Postby chuckdawg1999 » Sun Sep 16, 2012 6:04 pm

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PrymeStriker wrote:
chuckdawg1999 wrote:
PrymeStriker wrote:
chuckdawg1999 wrote:
PrymeStriker wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
chuckdawg1999 wrote:So we have full confirmation that Ultra Magnus' hammer locks. I find it funny that out of all the Voyagers thus far he got the nod to have a locking weapon. I wonder why he was chosen like that.
Looks like Thundertron's sword locks into place too.


Because they were too stupid to think of doing this sooner. :roll:


2) Let's not call Hasbro stupid, they couldn't include locks due to cost restrictions, perhaps going forward melee based weapons will lock open.


Gee, I wonder why they have cost restrictions.


Because we're in a global recession that's led to the increase in the cost of plastic. Not because they make multiple bumblebees who is one of their most popular characters and continues to sell, just not to collectors; who don't count.


Because the kids don't want Bulkhead (who's had more story arc and screentime than Bumblebee in Prime), or Megatron, or Optimus, or anybody else. Noooo. They just want Bumblebee! They're going to sit 10 or 12 Bumblebees at a table and have a spot of tea. It's the best thing to do with fighting robots.

Look, they're wasting their expensive plastic on the PRiD figures that got FE figures (although I will give them Arcee, Megatron, and Vehicon. Those 3 are far superior) and making them worse; Mistake #1.

The retailers are buying a bunch of cases with tons of Bumblebees (which is partially Hasbro's fault for putting an extensive amount of Bumblebees in one case) because they think Bumblebee will sell more; Mistake #2 (I've seen plenty of kids crying and shouting to their moms at the store that there's nobody else but Bumblebee)

They put even more expensive plastic into non-show characters. Plastic that could have went to Breakdown, Shockwave (although I doubt they'd do that), Smokescreen, Insecticon, and others; Mistake #3.

We're turning more and more to online retail because of these stores and Hasbro screwing us all over with Bumblebees and utter pieces of crap that didn't need toys in the first place. Not saying Thundertron, Magnus, Rumble, and Kup are garbage. They're great. But the plastic used for them could have been used for the in-show Transformers listed above.

You're not expecting me to believe the mass-produce of Bumblebee has nothing to do with their budget, economic situations aside. Parents are going to get tired of buying their child their 1,000,000th Bumblebee. And you're not going to convince me that every kid is a stereotype. That every kid lacks a working mind and thinks the only Transformer in the world is Bumblebee.

And if Bumblebee sells so much, that's why a lot of retails have had the same amount of Bumblebees in the same place for 5 damn months.

:BANG_HEAD:


There are so many bumblebees because stores tell Hasbro how to make the case layouts, heck it was stores that went to toy companies with the wave concept. Stores aren't concerned with the kids who already have Bumblebee but the kids who have a passing knowledge of who it and Prime are. I agree that there are to many bees and I'm sure Hasbro is aware but the stores are in charge for now.
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Re: In-Package Images Transformers Prime Wave 4 Voyagers Ultra Magnus & Thundertron

Postby Che » Sun Sep 16, 2012 6:07 pm

chuckdawg1999 wrote:2) Let's not call Hasbro stupid, they couldn't include locks due to cost restrictions, perhaps going forward melee based weapons will lock open.

I will just say that sometimes it doesn't pay to be so cheap.
I guess they are learning that =P

By the way, I read somewhere that someone from Hasbro has recognized that dotm line underperformed... they say they think it is because too much of the same characters (yeah... they are at least slow...). However, funny thing, they started to be cheap (downsizing, lighter plastic, widespread use of ball joints...) exactly with the dotm line. Maybe quality has something to do too.
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Re: In-Package Images Transformers Prime Wave 4 Voyagers Ultra Magnus & Thundertron

Postby The Variable » Sun Sep 16, 2012 7:31 pm

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Re: In-Package Images Transformers Prime Wave 4 Voyagers Ultra Magnus & Thundertron

Postby Mindmaster » Sun Sep 16, 2012 8:04 pm

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I'd have to see some action and some screen time for both of them. That will be the decider. If they're characters who, like Shockwave and Hardshell, don't get much character development, it's a no-go.
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Re: In-Package Images Transformers Prime Wave 4 Voyagers Ultra Magnus & Thundertron

Postby Sabrblade » Sun Sep 16, 2012 10:26 pm

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chuckdawg1999 wrote:1) I'm not sure about Thundertron's sword since it was being held while deployed. Although it's hard to tell since the blade is so long.
Well, the last two pics show the sword deployed when attached to his arm, whereas an earlier pic showed the weapon attached to the same arm with the sword swung back.
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Re: In-Package Images Transformers Prime Wave 4 Voyagers Ultra Magnus & Thundertron

Postby PrymeStriker » Sun Sep 16, 2012 10:34 pm

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Mindmaster wrote:I'd have to see some action and some screen time for both of them. That will be the decider. If they're characters who, like Shockwave and Hardshell, don't get much character development, it's a no-go.


They don't have to make a Hardshell, just an Insecticon. What are the differences besides battle damage?

And I don't get your Shockwave comment. Even if he is just a one-episode character with the least amount of development. Well:

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Accidental production or not (because Hasbro thought these two characters, Cliffjumper for the most part, were going to get more screen time and development. Hence Dreadwing before Skyquake), they're still getting releases. Let's review their development Cliffjumper is a hot headed chatter-mouth that died [3 episodes] and Skyquake is a loyal warrior and twin of Skyquake that died [2 episodes]. Shockwave is a scientist that created a cortical psychic patch, is as creepy as Soundwave that probably (I hope not) died [1 episode].

Besides, with the Rage of Dinobots comic coming out, we're speculating Shockwave comes to Prime as a permanent character in Season 3, which would usually (thanks for Breakdown & Smokescreen Hasbro) mean a toy. I hope we get toys of these characters we need in the "Beast Hunters" toyline.
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Re: In-Package Images Transformers Prime Wave 4 Voyagers Ultra Magnus & Thundertron

Postby Duke of Luns » Sun Sep 16, 2012 11:07 pm

[quote="PrymeStriker] Besides, with the Rage of Dinobots comic coming out, we're speculating Shockwave comes to Prime as a permanent character in Season 3, which would usually (thanks for Breakdown & Smokescreen Hasbro) mean a toy. I hope we get toys of these characters we need in the "Beast Hunters" toyline.[/quote]

Personally I don't much see why Shockwave NEEDS a figure. Yes, this:

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and this:

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are noticeably different, and yeah it could be a Voyager sized figure, but it'd be kind of overkill so soon after Animated, Dark of the Moon, and FOC(which is the same character from Prime).
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Re: In-Package Images Transformers Prime Wave 4 Voyagers Ultra Magnus & Thundertron

Postby PrymeStriker » Mon Sep 17, 2012 12:48 am

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Duke of Luns wrote:[quote="PrymeStriker] Besides, with the Rage of Dinobots comic coming out, we're speculating Shockwave comes to Prime as a permanent character in Season 3, which would usually (thanks for Breakdown & Smokescreen Hasbro) mean a toy. I hope we get toys of these characters we need in the "Beast Hunters" toyline.[/quote]

Personally I don't much see why Shockwave NEEDS a figure. Yes, this:

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and this:

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are noticeably different, and yeah it could be a Voyager sized figure, but it'd be kind of overkill so soon after Animated, Dark of the Moon, and FOC(which is the same character from Prime).[/quote][/quote]

They didn't seem to have a problem with releasing the same characters during the Unicron Trilogy and Movieverse. Why not Prime (which is already a participant. Any line is, really)? And the Beast Hunters line isn't coming out that soon. It wouldn't be overkill if Shockwave was there.

I didn't say he needs a figure. But they're wasting their money on Bees and Non-show characters that we dont get characters like Breakdown and Smokescreen in the US. What if Shockwave becomes a main character ala RoD? Would you want a toy of a core cast member?
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Re: In-Package Images Transformers Prime Wave 4 Voyagers Ultra Magnus & Thundertron

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Re: In-Package Images Transformers Prime Wave 4 Voyagers Ultra Magnus & Thundertron

Postby Duke of Luns » Mon Sep 17, 2012 7:58 am

PrymeStriker wrote:
Duke of Luns wrote:[quote="PrymeStriker] Besides, with the Rage of Dinobots comic coming out, we're speculating Shockwave comes to Prime as a permanent character in Season 3, which would usually (thanks for Breakdown & Smokescreen Hasbro) mean a toy. I hope we get toys of these characters we need in the "Beast Hunters" toyline.[/quote]

Personally I don't much see why Shockwave NEEDS a figure. Yes, this:

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and this:

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are noticeably different, and yeah it could be a Voyager sized figure, but it'd be kind of overkill so soon after Animated, Dark of the Moon, and FOC(which is the same character from Prime).[/quote][/quote][/quote]
They didn't seem to have a problem with releasing the same characters during the Unicron Trilogy and Movieverse. Why not Prime (which is already a participant. Any line is, really)? And the Beast Hunters line isn't coming out that soon. It wouldn't be overkill if Shockwave was there.

I didn't say he needs a figure. But they're wasting their money on Bees and Non-show characters that we dont get characters like Breakdown and Smokescreen in the US. What if Shockwave becomes a main character ala RoD? Would you want a toy of a core cast member?[/quote]


If Shockwave became a core member, ok he would need a figure. And for some reason I glossed over the probable Beast Hunters point, so at that point it probably wouldn't be overkill.

Anyway, I also agree that it is taking awhile for them to make other core members of the show, considering how long it's been out. Yes back when it was started there wasn't a toyline in mind, but wouldn't that make it easier to decide what characters to make?

Also, the whole First Edition thing was an odd move. Still not sure why they would make two versions of the same character that aren't all that much different.

Of course there's always Cyberverse. Even though I don't plan on getting into it, there's a line that not only gets the core cast but also homage repaints. And for what it's worth, Breakdown and Ironhide.
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Re: In-Package Images Transformers Prime Wave 4 Voyagers Ultra Magnus & Thundertron

Postby Autobot032 » Mon Sep 17, 2012 8:13 am

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Duke of Luns wrote:[quote="PrymeStriker] Besides, with the Rage of Dinobots comic coming out, we're speculating Shockwave comes to Prime as a permanent character in Season 3, which would usually (thanks for Breakdown & Smokescreen Hasbro) mean a toy. I hope we get toys of these characters we need in the "Beast Hunters" toyline.[/quote]

Personally I don't much see why Shockwave NEEDS a figure. Yes, this:

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and this:

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are noticeably different, and yeah it could be a Voyager sized figure, but it'd be kind of overkill so soon after Animated, Dark of the Moon, and FOC(which is the same character from Prime).[/quote][/quote][/quote]
They didn't seem to have a problem with releasing the same characters during the Unicron Trilogy and Movieverse. Why not Prime (which is already a participant. Any line is, really)? And the Beast Hunters line isn't coming out that soon. It wouldn't be overkill if Shockwave was there.

I didn't say he needs a figure. But they're wasting their money on Bees and Non-show characters that we dont get characters like Breakdown and Smokescreen in the US. What if Shockwave becomes a main character ala RoD? Would you want a toy of a core cast member?[/quote]


I hadn't noticed the similarities until now. Most certainly not a close translation from Prime animation model to FOC figure, but there are similarities... The cannon hand is a given, the collar pieces around the neck, the wings on the back, the forearms have a bulkiness to them, the chest, the knees...it's just barely passable as a Prime toy. Maybe with an accurate paint job and a couple of mold edits..he could work.
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Re: In-Package Images Transformers Prime Wave 4 Voyagers Ultra Magnus & Thundertron

Postby paul053 » Mon Sep 17, 2012 12:18 pm

Hasbro/Takara, you save my money again. Thank you and no thank you.

Honestly, if I really want to pick one, I might choose Ultra Magnus. But only if I know whom to repaint and custom him in to.
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Re: In-Package Images Transformers Prime Wave 4 Voyagers Ultra Magnus & Thundertron

Postby RAcast » Mon Sep 17, 2012 12:30 pm

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paul053 wrote:Hasbro/Takara, you save my money again. Thank you and no thank you.

Honestly, if I really want to pick one, I might choose Ultra Magnus. But only if I know whom to repaint and custom him in to.

Roadbuster perhaps?
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Re: In-Package Images Transformers Prime Wave 4 Voyagers Ultra Magnus & Thundertron

Postby Megatron000 » Mon Sep 17, 2012 12:31 pm

Ultra Magnus looks amazing, definitely his alt mode. Not sure how I feel about Thundertron...may have to pass on him.
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Re: In-Package Images Transformers Prime Wave 4 Voyagers Ultra Magnus & Thundertron

Postby Mykltron » Tue Sep 18, 2012 12:39 pm

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Wıth that spındly little shoulder joınts and skınny short thıghs he really doesn,t look powerful.
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Re: In-Package Images Transformers Prime Wave 4 Voyagers Ultra Magnus & Thundertron

Postby Sargent » Wed Sep 19, 2012 2:25 pm

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Well well well... Magnus looks like a pass (bland alt mode, okay robot mode, boring colour scheme), while Thundertron looks great at first sight. On a closer look, though, I rather dislike his rather light blue colours overall - a darker tone would be much better, this has a "cheap" appeal to it.
Also, why all these crappy mechtech weapons that serve no better purpose than being tried once and then thrown away for good!? Give the pirate a real sword, darnit, made out of translucent plastic, like Vector Prime's, for example. Shiver me timbers! Right now I really hope some third party source will make a better toothpick for the space-lion - until then I will wait. There's lots of other stuff I can happily buy in the meantime. Still a little sad, since the idea is kinda cool... >:oP
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Re: In-Package Images Transformers Prime Wave 4 Voyagers Ultra Magnus & Thundertron

Postby Cyberseven » Wed Sep 19, 2012 3:45 pm

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I actually like both of these and I am going to get both. They aren't spectacular, but I do want them for my Prime collection. I may pass on most of the deluxes though, other than Smokescreen.
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