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Re: Iron Man 3

Postby BeastProwl » Thu May 16, 2013 4:12 pm

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By your logic, Iron Man 3's "twist" rips off hundreds of films, figurehead position or not, since "that isnt what this is about", your words, not mine.

The whole "I was in charge ALL ALONG! MUAHAHAHAHHAH!!!" thing has been done to death to the point that its not about when it happens, its how. Really nearly ever movie trilogy has a bad guy who's really a good guy in disguise, or a good guy who turns treacherous. Look at the Transformers films, Megatron was really working for the fallen.

Yeah, thats pretty obvious in film 2, but Darth Vader being Palpatine's servant wasn't exactly a secret.

And again, I get what you mean, the simularaties are just extremely minor. One point of plot thats been done to death. Its there, but it doesn't make Iron Man 3 TDKR just by that one major simularaty. All others mentioned are also very common in film, so the list is endless.

So yeah, straws.
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Re: Iron Man 3

Postby njb902 » Thu May 16, 2013 4:14 pm

prowl123 wrote:Ok, since nobody seems to understand what I'm trying to say, let me spell it the **** out.

Bane was a legit villain, however he wasn't the true villain of the movie, as we find out later. He did most of the dirty work, but he didn't plot anything. Talia did. He was moreso the bull that matadors fight. You could argue that the bull is nothing without its orders and training from the true master.

This is a similarity to the villain situation in Iron man 3. It's obviously not the same, but since since many of you appear slightly too simple-minded to work your way through my posts, I'll point the difference out anyway. The similarity lies in the fact that we find out that Killian is behind the Mandarin just as we find out that Talia is the mastermind behind Bane. THis has nothing to do with bane being the fake villain, he isn't. The similarity has to do with the revelation of a higher power later in the movie.

I'm honestly surprised I had to say that. Am I really hated to the point that people try to start arguments with me just because that can't work around my figurative and somewhat disjointed writing style?


Maybe if you didn't call them simple minded.
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Re: Iron Man 3

Postby Shadowman » Thu May 16, 2013 4:55 pm

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prowl123 wrote:Ok, since nobody seems to understand what I'm trying to say, let me spell it the **** out.

Bane was a legit villain, however he wasn't the true villain of the movie, as we find out later. He did most of the dirty work, but he didn't plot anything. Talia did. He was moreso the bull that matadors fight. You could argue that the bull is nothing without its orders and training from the true master.

This is a similarity to the villain situation in Iron man 3. It's obviously not the same, but since since many of you appear slightly too simple-minded to work your way through my posts, I'll point the difference out anyway. The similarity lies in the fact that we find out that Killian is behind the Mandarin just as we find out that Talia is the mastermind behind Bane. THis has nothing to do with bane being the fake villain, he isn't. The similarity has to do with the revelation of a higher power later in the movie.

I'm honestly surprised I had to say that. Am I really hated to the point that people try to start arguments with me just because that can't work around my figurative and somewhat disjointed writing style?


The issue is that the point you tried to make...well, it's just false. You're initial complaint was about Iron Man 3 ripping off the plot of TDKR, but your initial points are so vague and generic that, like BeastProwl said, they can be applied to dozens, hundreds of other movies. And even when you "spell it the **** out" for us "simple-minded" folk, all you do is highly the differences between the characters from those movies; IE, Mandarin did absolutely nothing and is much closer to the doll from Saw than anyone from TDKR, whereas Bane broke Batman's spine and nearly blew up Gotham. Even if they were both taking orders from someone else, it's so vague that it can hardly be counted as "ripping off."

The plots are nothing alike, you made a bad call. No two ways about it.
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Re: Iron Man 3

Postby prowl123 » Thu May 16, 2013 6:00 pm

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prowl123 wrote:Ok, since nobody seems to understand what I'm trying to say, let me spell it the **** out.

Bane was a legit villain, however he wasn't the true villain of the movie, as we find out later. He did most of the dirty work, but he didn't plot anything. Talia did. He was moreso the bull that matadors fight. You could argue that the bull is nothing without its orders and training from the true master.

This is a similarity to the villain situation in Iron man 3. It's obviously not the same, but since since many of you appear slightly too simple-minded to work your way through my posts, I'll point the difference out anyway. The similarity lies in the fact that we find out that Killian is behind the Mandarin just as we find out that Talia is the mastermind behind Bane. THis has nothing to do with bane being the fake villain, he isn't. The similarity has to do with the revelation of a higher power later in the movie.

I'm honestly surprised I had to say that. Am I really hated to the point that people try to start arguments with me just because that can't work around my figurative and somewhat disjointed writing style?


The issue is that the point you tried to make...well, it's just false. You're initial complaint was about Iron Man 3 ripping off the plot of TDKR, but your initial points are so vague and generic that, like BeastProwl said, they can be applied to dozens, hundreds of other movies. And even when you "spell it the **** out" for us "simple-minded" folk, all you do is highly the differences between the characters from those movies; IE, Mandarin did absolutely nothing and is much closer to the doll from Saw than anyone from TDKR, whereas Bane broke Batman's spine and nearly blew up Gotham. Even if they were both taking orders from someone else, it's so vague that it can hardly be counted as "ripping off."

The plots are nothing alike, you made a bad call. No two ways about it.


I really want you to read what I posted again because you obviously didn't read it. The point is that there was another greater mastermind (not necessarily the muscle in the case of TDKR) above the villain. Also, yes the Mandarin did do shit. he killed a few people. I don't consider it ripping off, I just find the similarities too obvious. Whether you agree with me or not, they are most certainly similar. You might also want to reread that article I posted because you obviously didn't read that either.
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Re: Iron Man 3

Postby njb902 » Thu May 16, 2013 6:30 pm

Can we just ignore this guy and get back to the awesomeness that is iron man 3?
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Re: Iron Man 3

Postby Shadowman » Thu May 16, 2013 6:53 pm

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prowl123 wrote:I really want you to read what I posted again because you obviously didn't read it. The point is that there was another greater mastermind (not necessarily the muscle in the case of TDKR) above the villain. Also, yes the Mandarin did do shit. he killed a few people. I don't consider it ripping off, I just find the similarities too obvious. Whether you agree with me or not, they are most certainly similar. You might also want to reread that article I posted because you obviously didn't read that either.


And like I said, if you had bothered to read my post, is that's far too vague to even be considered an "obvious similarity." There's an entire TVtropes page dedicated to this. Your other two points are equally vague, by the way. If you consider the most general storytelling concepts to be "obvious similarities" and take issue with that, then you're going to have a problem with every story ever told.

njb902 wrote:Can we just ignore this guy and get back to the awesomeness that is iron man 3?


Do let's.
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Re: Iron Man 3

Postby BeastProwl » Thu May 16, 2013 6:59 pm

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In all honesty, can you really make a shock glove like tony did when he broke in? Blast Knuckles come close, but can you DIY that kind of thing?
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Re: Iron Man 3

Postby njb902 » Thu May 16, 2013 7:13 pm

BeastProwl wrote:In all honesty, can you really make a shock glove like tony did when he broke in? Blast Knuckles come close, but can you DIY that kind of thing?


Maybe if you wore a battery backpack.
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Re: Iron Man 3

Postby prowl123 » Thu May 16, 2013 7:28 pm

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Wow... I swear nobody can read.

I'm done here.

Shit movie, unoriginal plot.

That's my opinion. Done.
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Re: Iron Man 3

Postby Shadowman » Thu May 16, 2013 7:30 pm

Motto: "May God have mercy on my enemies, because I sure as hell won't."
BeastProwl wrote:In all honesty, can you really make a shock glove like tony did when he broke in? Blast Knuckles come close, but can you DIY that kind of thing?


Keep in mind that, when stuck in a cave with a box of scraps, he built a miniature Arc Reactor, something no one even considered to be possible. When left in his Malibu home with a bunch of top-of-the-line tech, he managed to reverse engineer the Tessaract. (At least, it's heavily implied that's what he made) Tony Stark doesn't need something to be plausible in order for it to be built. He just needs it to be awesome.
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Re: Iron Man 3

Postby njb902 » Thu May 16, 2013 7:41 pm

Shadowman wrote:
BeastProwl wrote:In all honesty, can you really make a shock glove like tony did when he broke in? Blast Knuckles come close, but can you DIY that kind of thing?


Keep in mind that, when stuck in a cave with a box of scraps, he built a miniature Arc Reactor, something no one even considered to be possible. When left in his Malibu home with a bunch of top-of-the-line tech, he managed to reverse engineer the Tessaract. (At least, it's heavily implied that's what he made) Tony Stark doesn't need something to be plausible in order for it to be built. He just needs it to be awesome.


That's a fantastic way to look at it. I'll admit I didn't pick up on the tessaract angle.
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Re: Iron Man 3

Postby Shadowman » Thu May 16, 2013 10:10 pm

Motto: "May God have mercy on my enemies, because I sure as hell won't."
njb902 wrote:
Shadowman wrote:
BeastProwl wrote:In all honesty, can you really make a shock glove like tony did when he broke in? Blast Knuckles come close, but can you DIY that kind of thing?


Keep in mind that, when stuck in a cave with a box of scraps, he built a miniature Arc Reactor, something no one even considered to be possible. When left in his Malibu home with a bunch of top-of-the-line tech, he managed to reverse engineer the Tessaract. (At least, it's heavily implied that's what he made) Tony Stark doesn't need something to be plausible in order for it to be built. He just needs it to be awesome.


That's a fantastic way to look at it. I'll admit I didn't pick up on the tessaract angle.


In Howard Stark's notes in Iron Man 2, you can briefly see a drawing of an actual Tessaract. (That is, a 3D representation of a four-dimensional cube) He was the last one seen with it, and somewhere they mention he was doing work on it. The implication is that the element he laid out for Tony to synthesize was basically the last puzzle piece in recreating the Tessaract; he could see it, but he couldn't make it. He specifically left Tony the blueprints for the element, disguised as a blooper reel on a promotional video, because, well, between HYDRA and Vanko, he didn't want to risk anyone but Tony getting his hands on it.

At least, that's the way I saw it.
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Re: Iron Man 3

Postby njb902 » Thu May 16, 2013 10:21 pm

Shadowman wrote:
njb902 wrote:
Shadowman wrote:
BeastProwl wrote:In all honesty, can you really make a shock glove like tony did when he broke in? Blast Knuckles come close, but can you DIY that kind of thing?


Keep in mind that, when stuck in a cave with a box of scraps, he built a miniature Arc Reactor, something no one even considered to be possible. When left in his Malibu home with a bunch of top-of-the-line tech, he managed to reverse engineer the Tessaract. (At least, it's heavily implied that's what he made) Tony Stark doesn't need something to be plausible in order for it to be built. He just needs it to be awesome.


That's a fantastic way to look at it. I'll admit I didn't pick up on the tessaract angle.


In Howard Stark's notes in Iron Man 2, you can briefly see a drawing of an actual Tessaract. (That is, a 3D representation of a five-dimensional cube) He was the last one seen with it, and somewhere they mention he was doing work on it. The implication is that the element he laid out for Tony to synthesize was basically the last puzzle piece in recreating the Tessaract; he could see it, but he couldn't make it. He specifically left Tony the blueprints for the element, disguised as a blooper reel on a promotional video, because, well, between HYDRA and Vanko, he didn't want to risk anyone but Tony getting his hands on it.

At least, that's the way I saw it.



Huh I guess I never put the 2 together.
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Re: Iron Man 3

Postby BeastProwl » Fri May 17, 2013 7:00 am

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Shadowman, please stop blowing my mind, it's too early in the day...
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