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Is anyone else familiar with the story of the west memphis three?

Postby decepta-scott » Sun Oct 02, 2011 11:24 am

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I saw the documentary titled "paradise lost" and the story goes something like this.
Three seven yr old boys, while on their way home were taken fromk their bikes and drug into the woods to a creek. They were then stripped naked, hog tied with their own shoe strings,rapped,beaten, cut up, bled out a bit and finally drowned. Oh, did I mention that one of the boys had his penis removed?
The documentary shows close up pics of these poor babys lying naked and hog tied, covered in their own blood and in full rigermortis. The immage refuses to leave me.
Well, too shorten a long story the cops brought in a 17 yr old bumpkin named jesee misskelly and after less that an hr and against the wishes of his attourney, he goes into detail about how he and two other boys brought the children into the woods, hog tied,rapped,beat,maimedand drowned the children. Oh, did I mention that he confessed to cutting of one of the boys penis?
He goes on to tell how the oldest boy, damien echols, and the third boy, jason (17 yrs old) sucked blood from the penis and scrotum and but the testies in their mouthes. You see, they were under the impression that childrens blood gave them power. The echols boy was foyund to have practiced the wicin relegion and it was believed that due to the evidence the murders were a result of a devil worshiping sacrifice.
Damien is crazy. He was put into a nut house by his own parents who say that they had to as they were scarred that he would hurt them, and/or someone else. Damien threatened to kill and eat his parents, cut them up and eat them, bleed them. He was seen sucking blood from his own wounds at the hospital where he also told docs that he thought blood gave him power. He was found to harbor deep anger and an interest in phisically harming other human beings.

Damien also had killed and mutilated at least two dogs (isnt that where it always starts with his type?) and was in posession of a few animal skulls at the time of his arrest.
One of the other boys, jesee was seen to break out into violent crying fits just after the murders. Something he had never done before. All three could not give valid allibies and were not seen when the murders took place or for awhile after.
Supporters like to act as though they were accused because they wore bvlack and listened to metal music. That form of rebelion is so lame. Has anyone ever looked at those types and thought "what a bad ass evil person! better stay away from him!" let alone thought them capable of murder simply because of their clothes and music preferance.
Asla, that was the way they went with it. To shorten this up a bit all three were convicted of murder. Damien sentenced to die, jesee to life plus fourty yrs and jason to life.
All appeals exhausted. Why then were they released a few weeks ago with TIME SERVED?! The state asked them tho plead guilty and they would release them. WTF!?!?!?!?
Several stars had taken interest in the case including jonny depp, dixie chicks and metalica. Funny to me that after the star aupport came everyone started to doubt their guilt.
The "stars" say that the confession was bogus because jesee only has an i.q. of 79. So hes a dip shit!!! how does that make his confession bogus?
Also, jason and jessee told inmates they did it, jesee confessed to the police who took him to prison after the guilty verdict and went into great detail, damien was heard talking about it to jason by at least two people.
I cant believe these monsters are free. If you havnt seen the movie "paradise lost" I urge you to watch it. This is a f ed up story. Id realy like to get some other opinions on this.
I have left out a great deal of detail that I will give if anyone shows an interest in my post.

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Re: Is anyone else familiar with the story of the west memphis three?

Postby Moonlight » Mon Oct 03, 2011 12:24 am

Yep I saw it when it first came out. You know people confess to crimes they did not commit all the time. That one kid you talked about, he was held for many, many hours and urged to confess. He was told it would all be over with if he just confessed so he did. Many parts of the confession were wrong. Some things he said they did, the autopsy did not match up with. That is why they are free. The others, they were just teenagers stupid kids who suddenly had the worlds attention and they were messed up enough to play a part.

The stepfather of one of the boys is now strongly suspected as the person who killed the children. The guy they had shooting the guns pretending things he was shooting was those kids.
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Re: Is anyone else familiar with the story of the west memphis three?

Postby decepta-scott » Wed Oct 12, 2011 12:30 pm

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Moonlight wrote:Yep I saw it when it first came out. You know people confess to crimes they did not commit all the time. That one kid you talked about, he was held for many, many hours and urged to confess. He was told it would all be over with if he just confessed so he did. Many parts of the confession were wrong. Some things he said they did, the autopsy did not match up with. That is why they are free. The others, they were just teenagers stupid kids who suddenly had the worlds attention and they were messed up enough to play a part.

The stepfather of one of the boys is now strongly suspected as the person who killed the children. The guy they had shooting the guns pretending things he was shooting was those kids.



You must remember that the documentary was ment to exhonerate the three boys. I found no real reason to think them innocent after watching that film. If that was the best they could do to make them look innocent.........IDK....
The boy that was interrogated, jesse misskelly, actually confessed a total of fourty five mins into the interview. After his confession in which he revealed that he was privy to knowledge that he would only be aware of if he were there, ofcourse the cops held him for further questioning. Evebn then, I believe he was only interrogated a total of five hrs.
He also confessed for the tape, inspite of his attourneys pleas. (his attourney can be heard begging jessee not to confess in the back ground) His confession is largly accurate to what happened.
There were however statments made that werent 100% accurate. He states the victems were tied with rope when they were tied with shoe laces to which I say so what? IMO he said ropes instead of laces because they were infact used as ropes. He also says it happened in the morning. IMO Were dealing with a stupid person who was unemployed and had nothing to do that would force him to make any distinction passed day time = light out, night time= dark out. Not really thinking he said it happened in the morning simply because there was light out.
Finally jessee was skunk drunk all day the day the murders took place. By all accounts he drank an entire fifth of booze. I challenge you to go get plastered on a fifth of booze, wait a month and then give me an accurate time line of the events that transpired a month ago. Thats not to say that he could have been so drunk that he THOUGHT he could have murdered three boys. Theres a huge differance in forgetting the time due to extreem inebrieation and accidentaly thinking you killed three boyscouts.
The bottom line is that jessee miskelly, as well as jason baldwin and damien echols are all three dip shits. Dip shits can be murderers just like anyone else. Infact, historically, Id say only a few people who commit murders such as this were anything but dipshits. Dip shit dose not and should not= innocent.
Echols was recieving full benefits due to mental sickness. Practiced the wickin relegion and satanic folowings (weather he wants to admit it or not. It was proven true in court.)Frequently threatened several people with the same type of violance that was used on the boys. Jessee was seen to go into fits of tears and rage for no reason, a new developement for him, just after the murders happened.

Baldwin was just doing this to fit in Id say. Truley a stupid boy he commited murder to have fun and be part of the gang. I believe that but that dosent mean he should be set free.
By their own admission all three boys stood out in town. Everyone knew where they were at all times. Except the morning and night of the murders not one person could vouch for the whereabouts of any three of them. Not one person. You have three flashy kids who are noticed all over on a daily basis in a small town who can produce not a single aliby for any part of the day the boys were killed.
Those boys were right where they belonged. This case just goes to show you what star power and cash can do for you. It can get three convicted child murderers one of which was on death row released from prison.
The reason the state didnt have another trial is because in a case dependant on circumstancial evidence that has seen a new generation of people take notice due to their heroes (the stars that fund and support the wm3)advocation, they knew they had an up hill battle that would most likely result in an acquital. Sad, sad, sad.
When that echols boy murders another person, and I believe he will, I hope those so called stars are drug in and sentenced to multi million dollar fines fro gross miss use of money and fame. What kind of peiople use their cash and influance to take a stand against "the man" for ripping on their fans simply for what they wear and the music they listen to? well heres the way of it.... WEARING BLACK AND LISTENING TO METTAL IS NOT A REBELIOUS ACT!!! ITS A LAME PLOY TO STAND OUT MOST OF THE TIME!!! Those "stars" are seeing themselves in those boys. they were probably black wearing metal fans who in their teens felt they were rebeling by wearing such clothing against the wishes of their moms and are now supporting murderers because they havnt grown up enough to realize how silly the whole "rebelious" game is. So so sad.
Anyway, Everyone is entitled to an opinion. I respect everyones right to think as they wish and in most cases form no ill opinion of anyone based on a single, or even multiple opinions that differ from mine.
Everyone can form their own opinion on this. Mine is that those three are baby murderers who used their dress style as a cop out and were convicted due to evidence and a cosfession not because of the music they listen to.
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Re: Is anyone else familiar with the story of the west memphis three?

Postby Compassionate Reader » Fri Jan 06, 2012 5:16 pm

I'm sorry, but there were a tremendous amount of inaccuracies in the OP in this topic. I'll take it a paragraph at a time. Warning, this will be a lengthy post. However, I have read all of the court documents on this case and have studied it for years. I don't claim to be an "expert," but I think I know more than the original poster. I am convinced that these three men are innocent.

"I saw the documentary titled "paradise lost' and the story goes something like this.
Three seven yr old boys, while on their way home were taken fromk their bikes and drug into the woods to a creek. They were then stripped naked, hog tied with their own shoe strings,rapped,beaten, cut up, bled out a bit and finally drowned. Oh, did I mention that one of the boys had his penis removed?
The documentary shows close up pics of these poor babys lying naked and hog tied, covered in their own blood and in full rigermortis. The immage refuses to leave me.
Well, too shorten a long story the cops brought in a 17 yr old bumpkin named jesee misskelly and after less that an hr and against the wishes of his attourney, he goes into detail about how he and two other boys brought the children into the woods, hog tied,rapped,beat,maimedand drowned the children. Oh, did I mention that he confessed to cutting of one of the boys penis?
He goes on to tell how the oldest boy, damien echols, and the third boy, jason (17 yrs old) sucked blood from the penis and scrotum and but the testies in their mouthes. You see, they were under the impression that childrens blood gave them power. The echols boy was foyund to have practiced the wicin relegion and it was believed that due to the evidence the murders were a result of a devil worshiping sacrifice.
Damien is crazy. He was put into a nut house by his own parents who say that they had to as they were scarred that he would hurt them, and/or someone else. Damien threatened to kill and eat his parents, cut them up and eat them, bleed them. He was seen sucking blood from his own wounds at the hospital where he also told docs that he thought blood gave him power. He was found to harbor deep anger and an interest in phisically harming other human beings."

The first inaccuracy is that the boys were seven years old. They were eight. Next, the boys were not taken from their bikes. Even the supposed confession says that the boys came into the woods on their own. Their bikes were found some distance from the bodies, submerged in a drainage ditch. Next, one of the laces used to bind the victims was NOT a lace from one of the boys' shoes. It was cut into two pieces and used to bind Michael Moore. We know this because each of the two ligatures only has one aiglet. The entire lace would have been about 60" long before it was cut. Next, the penis was NOT removed. At least seven certified forensic pathologists agreed that the wounds were attributable to postmortem animal predation. The injury to the penis of Chris Byers is called "degloving" and, not to be too gross about it, it was caused by an animal stripping the meat from the penis while leaving the internal shaft intact. Next, Jessie Misskelley is a borderline mentally retarded man (only 17 years old back in 1993 when these murders happened) who was initially interrogated without having an attorney present. He has an IQ of 72 and was interrogated for about four hours before he gave his "confession" whose inaccuracies extend far beyond what the OP mentioned. I don't care how drunk he might have been, he would have known the difference between daylight and dark. In his original statement, he said that the murders were committed at noon. The little boys were in school all day, as was Jason Baldwin, one of the convicted. Read it for yourself. This represents only the forty-five minutes that was recorded. http://callahan.8k.com/wm3/jmjune1.html This statement was so inaccurate that, when presented to Judge Pal Rainey, the judge wouldn't issue arrest warrants for the three teenagers. So, the West Memphis Police Department (WMPD) went back and got a "clarification" statement in which the leading questions of the interrogator are obvious. Jessie was originally brought to police headquarters about 9 or 10 in the morning. The first statement was recorded at about 2:45 that afternoon. The arrest warrants were issued after 9 that evening. Although he wasn't actually interrogated for 12 hours, he was in custody for over eleven. Given his age and mental disability, getting him to say whatever the interrogators wanted him to say wasn't hard at all. In fact, his attorney, Dan Stidham, later said that he thought he could get Jessie to confess to the Kennedy assassination when he wasn't even born in 1963. In short, Jessie's statement is a coerced, false confession which doesn't match the forensics of the case, except the things that were public knowledge. The bodies were discovered on May 6, 1993. Jessie and the others were arrested on June 3, 1993, almost a month later. West Memphis is a small town. People talked. Some of the information Jessie got he obtained from friends who were members of the search-rescue team that was called into the case. Jessie DID give a post conviction statement to the police against his attorneys' wishes. The WMPD and other state authorities were trying to get him to testify against Damien and Jason in their upcoming trial. (Jessie was tried separately because of his original statements to the police.) Although Jessie initially gave a post conviction statement (whose additional accuracies are easily explained by the fact that the statement was POST CONVICTION), that statement is barely more accurate than the statements on June 3, 1993 - and this was AFTER HE HAD HEARD THE PROSECUTION PRESENT THE CASE AT HIS TRIAL! Damien Echols, the supposed ring leader of the three, was a troubled teen, to be sure. However, his mental health at the time is not proof that he committed these murders. I am a retired high school teacher, and believe me, I've heard kids say the things Damien said about his parents quite frequently. It's simply a part of being a teenager for many people. Damien's stays in mental health facilities were short-lived. He was released, supposedly cured of his suicidal tendencies. To prove he murdered those little boys should require more than a history of depression typical to many teenagers (which, BTW, was NOT part of the prosecution's case but was used by the defense during the punishment phase of the trial in an unsuccessful effort to mitigate punishment.) NO SHRED OF PHYSICAL EVIDENCE IRREFUTABLY LINKING DAMIEN OR EITHER OF THE OTHER TWO MEN TO THE CRIME HAS EVER BEEN FOUND. These three were convicted by Satanic panic and small town mentality, along with IMO a little corruption in the justice system at the time. The only witness as to the Satanic nature of the crimes that the prosecution presented was a "Dr." Dale Griffis, whose PhD turned out to be from a diploma mill. He had never attended even one class about the occult! Again, the State relied on manufactured evidence and the mentality of the Bible belt community to get their unjust convictions.


"Damien also had killed and mutilated at least two dogs (isnt that where it always starts with his type?) and was in posession of a few animal skulls at the time of his arrest.
One of the other boys, jesee was seen to break out into violent crying fits just after the murders. Something he had never done before. All three could not give valid allibies and were not seen when the murders took place or for awhile after.
Supporters like to act as though they were accused because they wore bvlack and listened to metal music. That form of rebelion is so lame. Has anyone ever looked at those types and thought "what a bad ass evil person! better stay away from him!" let alone thought them capable of murder simply because of their clothes and music preferance.
Asla, that was the way they went with it. To shorten this up a bit all three were convicted of murder. Damien sentenced to die, jesee to life plus fourty yrs and jason to life.
All appeals exhausted. Why then were they released a few weeks ago with TIME SERVED?! The state asked them tho plead guilty and they would release them. WTF!?!?!?!?
Several stars had taken interest in the case including jonny depp, dixie chicks and metalica. Funny to me that after the star aupport came everyone started to doubt their guilt.
The "stars" say that the confession was bogus because jesee only has an i.q. of 79. So hes a dip shit!!! how does that make his confession bogus?
Also, jason and jessee told inmates they did it, jesee confessed to the police who took him to prison after the guilty verdict and went into great detail, damien was heard talking about it to jason by at least two people.
I cant believe these monsters are free. If you havnt seen the movie "paradise lost" I urge you to watch it. This is a f ed up story. Id realy like to get some other opinions on this."

There is one report by one teen that Damien killed a Great Dane. However, no police records were presented to back up the loss of a Great Dane, and IIRC, the kid who told the story wasn't even a witness at the trial because his story was hearsay. No one has come forward to this day who will testify that they saw Damien killing any animals. Jessie's "crying fits" could easily be explained by the fact that he thought his girlfriend, now his fiancee, was moving away. They all had alibis, but the alibis were from family and friends. Most of Jessie's alibi witnesses were teenagers who were with him in a nearby town, Dyess, at a wrestling practice, at the time that the murders supposedly occurred. The prosecution lawyers were able to confuse them on the stand. However, all that proves is that the prosecution was better at cross examination than the defense attorneys (who were all inexperienced at the time, none of them ever having tried a murder case) were at redirect. As to wearing black, etc. being part of the problem, if you read the testimony of Joseph Samuel Dwyer in the Rule 37 abstract, he confirms that the police at the time were targeting kids in black. Jerry Driver (who later did time in FL for grand theft) and his crony, Steve Jones, were literally on a witch hunt - seeking the Satanic cult that they were sure was thriving in West Memphis. One report I read said that Damien had been on Driver's radar for over a year before the murders. Driver was just waiting for something that he could "pin on" Damien, and it didn't have to be the truth, either. All appeals had not been exhausted when they were released in August. In fact, the Arkansas State Supreme Court (ASSC) had ruled in November, 2010, that there would be an evidentiary hearing to examine all the new developments in the case to see if a new trial was warranted. The attorneys from both sides got together and agreed to an Alford Plea, a rarely used legal maneuver in which the defendant pleads guilty but is allowed to maintain his innocence. On August 19, 2011, in Judge David Laser's court (a new judge, thank God, as I believe the original judge, David Burnett, was part of the corruption), the original verdicts were vacated, the Alford guilty plea was entered and accepted, and they were sentenced to time served and released. There's a lot more to the story, and more is forthcoming. On January 12, 2012, at 9 pm, the next installment of the Paradise Lost series premieres on HBO. If you would like to join in a civil discussion of this case, please join us at www.wm3blackboard.com . These men are innocent, and time will show this to be the case.
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Re: Is anyone else familiar with the story of the west memphis three?

Postby Moonlight » Sun Jan 15, 2012 8:43 pm

Yes that pretty much was what I saw on the Crime show. In a nut shell 3 children are dead and there was a lot of pressure to ease the minds of worried parents so instead of finding the real murderer they went after a mentally challanged teenager and his troubled friends.

I wish our justice system had a lot more checks and balances. I know there is not foolproof way to make sure innocent people are not convicted but it needs to do a better job then it has. For every wrongly convicted person sitting in prison there is the real offender who is out and got away with it and able to do it again.
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Re: Is anyone else familiar with the story of the west memphis three?

Postby decepta-scott » Sat Jan 21, 2012 12:15 pm

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To say that there were a "tremendous ammount of inaccuracys" is a bit of an overstatement. I cant see including the fact that one boys shoe strings were cut in half to tie the third boys as one of those inaccuracys. In the end they were tied up with their shoe strings. Aslo, the boys were a year older than I stated. Fine. Though I was incorrect in those statements I cant see how they were labled as "tremendous"
Im not an expert on this case, but I have followed it quite a bit. I really dont want to adress everything I disagree with in that post as it will take a long time but I will adress a few.
First there were k-9 skulls found in echols room. Also there are just as many "experts" that believe the boys penis was cut away as there are that support the theory of an animal stripping it away.
I cannot believe that ANYONE would think that boys father, brain tumor and all would have killed those boys. Those families were ALL shaken and that father was one of the worst. For the defence to even TRY to incinuate he was involved was a joke.
I love how people will on one hand say that jessee miskelly was so stupid he couldnt see how confessing to a tripple homicide would be dangerous to his future and then turn right arround and say that he would have known what time he was there weather he was fall down drunk or not. You cant pick and choose. You cant have it both ways. Either he is mentally retarted and stupid enough to confess to murder which pretty much makes him stupid enough to do anything, or he isnt. PERIOD.
For the record he isnt legally mentally handicaped. Almost but not quite. I know a few people from church that are on that level and they can certainly tell you weather or not they murdered three todlers. My aunt of sixty two has the mentality of a six year old and I can promise you she isnt going to confess to murder if she didnt do it. Hell even shes smart enough not to confess if she DID do it. Jesses I.Q. is well above a six yr old.
I hardly see this as a witch hunt. Those boys showed LITTLE compassion for those boys and even went on to joke and keckle both the families of the victims and their babys memories. You sir claim that you were a teacher and heard boys say things like that and taking credit for things they didnt do/talking crap all the time, but I say that I was a student in three of the worst schools in ky (not to mention the fact that I grew up in iroquois projects which is featured on the show the first 48 on a regular basis) and I have NEVER heard anyone confess to murder.
To act as though kids will be kids and kids will confess to murder and talk crap about devil worship and how they were going to and eventually DID KILL THREE CHILDREN and are planning to do it again is one of the more radical statements Ive heard in awhile.
Maybe the people of miss liked them less because they were worshiping the devil. Let it be known that it is a FACT that damien had scores of satanic books and made several refrences to devil worship in letters both before and after his arrest.
Is that grounds for an conviction? Not alone. But its certainly part of the puzzle. Further more it was convienantly left out of your post. If you are going to accuse someone of going on a witch hunt and elude to their ignorance because of that act you may want to include that those guys were actual witchs.
(at least thats how those "poor guys" thought of themselves)
I hate that those guys put the spin that they were ONLY convicted because they wore black and listened to metal. Gaining the support of the folks who share their interests and who may have been subjected to ridicule because of the way they dress was allways the defences intention. They didnt have much else to hold onto. Give it some time to fade from memory, Add a half dozen passed their prime wanna bee politician music artists looking for publicity and the unlimited funds that come with them and you prove that money can even overturn a MURDER CONVICTION WITH A DEATH SENTENCE!!
This was a small town. There were NEVER any murders before. Everyone knew each other. This shocked this town. Who else would have done this? A passing vagabond? This was not a witch hunt.
There IS evidence against those men and it lead to a conviction. If you cant look into those guys eyes and see that they are hiding something if you cant look at their actions and contempt for everything and everyone and their complete lack of interist in their own trial not to mention the lack of compassion for the boys and their families then Ive got a bridge to sell you.
Look Im not trying to be rude to the guy that posted the defence for those guys, Its just a touchy case and a touchy subject for me as with most people. Passions will blaze into furry alot of times when two people of conflicting opinions get to talking about topics such as this one. Headway will never be made if people cant keep cool and maintain an open mind in the midst of chaos. Opinions are allways going to be different. He is entitled to his as I am entitled to mine. If you truely believe them to be innocent then fight for it. Just dont keep a closed one track mind. Dont look passed evidence that points to their guilt because you simply dont want to believe it.
I have practiced what I preach as I myself am a felon due to a bogus conviction I gave them the benefiet of the doubt. I went back and forth a few times but seeing those guys and the things they say and do, the way they act and the evidence I finally made up my mind and still I would take any evidence to exhonerate them into concideration. I wont hold my breath though.
I believe that of the three at least one will kill again. Maybe then folks will take a harder look at this. I just hope the ones that used their fame and funds to free those guys can live with themselves. Unfortunately I doubt they will loose a wink of sleep.

Ill end the same way the first documentary ended. Damien had some final words for his own "help im innocent" film. They went something like.....I like that everyone thinks Im a murderer. Maybe parrents will tell their kids to be good and check under your bed! Damien could be under there waiting to get you! That would be cool.
Does that sound like the words of an innocent man? I dont think so.
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Re: Is anyone else familiar with the story of the west memphis three?

Postby Compassionate Reader » Mon Jan 23, 2012 11:33 am

The "third boy" who has a name, Michael Moore, was NOT tied with shoelaces from one of the boys' sneakers. He was tied with a foreign lace, about 60" long originally, that was cut in half. Although it isn't generally known yet, a fiber from the hinge of a knife found among Terry Hobbs' possessions has recently been tested against the lace used to tie Michael Moore, under which the Hobbs' hair was found. It was an EXACT MATCH, not "microscopically similar" like the fibers from the clothing found in the defendants' homes but an exact match. I'm sure that this information will be coming out soon, along with the information that has recently been made public about the "Hobbs' family secret," which is that Terry Hobbs confessed to his brother (a confession that was overheard by his nephew) that he killed Chris, Michael and Stevie.

Damien Echols was a weird teenager. There is no doubt about that. However, collecting dogs' skulls, although extremely weird, I will agree, does not a murderer make.

Mark Byers, not Terry Hobbs, is the father with a brain tumor. Mark Byers himself admits that his behavior at the time was one of the reasons that he was under suspicion, just like Damien's behavior at the time placed him under suspicion and in fact contributed to his conviction. However, Mary Byers is NOT the parent whose mtDNA was found under the ligature. That was Terry Hobbs, who left his wife and quit his job shortly after the murders and who wasn't interviewed by the police until 2007.

There are lots of people who make false confessions. A false confession can be made by perfectly capable people. Look at the Norfolk Four case as an example. Then there's another case from Illinois where a father confessed to the murder of his child only to later be awarded a multimillion dollar settlement by the State of Illinois for false imprisonment when the REAL killer was found. False confessions happen much more often than we ever believed before, and two of the contributing factors to them are youth and mental incapacity. A third factor, and the one that is most responsible in most cases of false confessions, is leading questions and other coercive tactics by the interrogators. In Misskelley's case, all three of these factors were present.

I have never said that Jessie was retarded. The proper term for someone of Jessie's mental capacity is "borderline mentally retarded." Dan Stidham, in the latest installment of the "Paradise Lost" films, said "mildly retarded" which is acceptable. As to your aunt, has she ever been intensely questioned by police detectives about a murder? Unless she has, you really don't know what she'd do, and she's an adult, not a scared teenager like Jessie was.

IIRC, the only one who heckled the parents was Damien, blowing kisses at them. Of course, it's never mentioned that he did that after the parents had been yelling insults and obscenities at him as he entered the courtroom. He was singled out by the parents for their insults. He admits, and has for years, that he was wrong. As to your upbringing, I, too, grew up in Kentucky. I am very familiar with the Iroquois Projects in Louisville. Yes, it is a bad area. However, just because you've never heard someone confess to a murder that he/she didn't commit doesn't mean that false confessions never happen. I WAS a teacher; I'm not just claiming to have been one. I taught in inner city schools in a city much larger than Louisville, and in schools much rougher than those schools in Kentucky to which you refer. Also, I am a female, so please don't address me as "sir."

If you think that, back in the early nineties, talk about devil worship was uncommon, then you're either too young to remember or you weren't paying attention. Heavy metal groups like Judas Priest (who was sued by the parents of a teen who committed suicide after listening to one of their albums - the suit was thrown out of court) were under constant criticism by people like Tipper Gore and the PMRC for, among other things, lyrics that evoked devil worship. Teenagers, as is their custom, often gravitate to music that would irritate their parents. Since heavy metal, which started in the late seventies, DID progress into such groups as Slayer (who had many songs glorifying Satan and promoting devil worship), it is little wonder that some of the teens who listened to these groups would talk of what they heard in the lyrics. Talk is talk. It doesn't mean that they were members of a devil-worshiping cult. Also, Damien often said things for shock value, again something common among teenagers.

First, West Memphis is in Arkansas, not Mississippi. Second, my husband, when we were in college, bought "The Satanic Bible." That doesn't mean that he worshiped the devil. As I said before, Damien often said things for shock value. I think that might also apply to his reading material. Or are we now subject to the "Thought Police" of Orwell's "1984" where what we read and what we THINK can become a crime?

Damien, Jason and Jessie weren't witches. Damien had expressed an interest in Wicca, which some people refer to as white witchcraft but which in actuality is a religion in which the Goddess is supreme and they more or less worship Mother Earth. Damien had never joined a coven; he had just studied Wiccan beliefs. So, your statement is in FACT not true.

I'm glad that justice, at least partial justice, had finally been done in this case. Although I support the death penalty in iron clad cases, I would NEVER want to see an INNOCENT MAN executed. So, if celebrity involvement is what it took to see the three freed, so be it.

Yes, this was a small town. I don't know if they had never had a murder before, but I'm sure that they'd never had a triple homicide of three eight year old boys. Many much larger cities have never had that happen. Yes, the town was shocked. That was part of the problem. The police were pressured to solve the case. So, when Jerry Driver and his partner, Steve Jones (who had had Damien on their "radar" for over a year prior to the murders), gave the police Damien's name, the police, instead of doing what a competent police force would have done (see where the evidence leads), latched onto Damien as their prime suspect, with no real evidence, and created a case to make him look guilty. Just like a small town police force will do. I know, because I grew up in a small town, and I saw it happen repeatedly.

I don't see that any of the three recently freed men are hiding anything. I think that people need to examine Terry Hobbs' 2007 WMPD interview and 2009 Pasdar deposition and tell me that HE'S not hiding something (like the Hobbs' family secret). At the time of their original trials, those teenagers were naive enough to believe that you couldn't be convicted of murder if you were innocent. They learned, unfortunately, that, when you are being tried in a kangaroo court with a corrupt judge who only wanted to advance his political career, you CAN be convicted of a crime of which you are innocent - even murder. And if you can't understand that, then I have some swampland in Arizona that I'd like to sell you! There is no hard evidence against the three recently freed men. If there had been, the State of Arkansas would not have agreed to an Alford Plea. They would have demanded instead to proceed with the evidentiary hearing, and they would have gone to trial. The fact that the State of Arkansas so readily agreed to an Alford Plea WHEN THEY ALREADY HAD THE MEN IN PRISON speaks volumes. Plea deals are usually negotiated BEFORE a trial, not after the State has won its case and has the perpetrators behind bars.

I want justice in this case. Believe me, I HAVE researched this case. I have read all of the trial transcripts, the pretrial hearing transcripts, the Rule 37 hearing transcripts and abstracts and a lot of other legal documents, like the Pasdar materials, about this case. Yes, I'm convinced that the three recently freed men are innocent. Also, especially given the latest revelations to which I referred in my opening paragraph, I'm convinced that the REAL murderer is Terry Wayne Hobbs. So, as you can see, this is not a knee-jerk emotional reaction. I've studied ALL the facts. I encourage you to do the same. Make yourself an expert on the case and I'm sure that you, too, will see the truth. The three freed men are INNOCENT.

You, a convicted felon on a bogus charge, don't believe it can happen to others? And you base this "feeling" on the way the guys look? I'm sorry but that's not a very scientific way to judge. You say you've examined the evidence. Have you read the trial transcripts, the pretrial hearing transcripts, the Rule 37 transcripts and abstracts (all available at http://www.callahan.8k.com/ )? When you have familiarized yourself with the legal documents, then make a decision. Having had experience yourself with a false conviction, I believe that, if you look at the legal documents, you will recognize that these three teenagers were railroaded into convictions by a prosecution desperate to find SOMEONE, ANYONE guilty of these horrific murders. It was a rush to judgement, a railroad job, and, yes, a witch hunt in a small town. Also, keep your ears and eyes open and you will soon see all the new evidence. It was turned over to the State Prosecutor, Scott Ellington, last Friday, January 19, 2012.

I believe that none of the three will ever be involved in a violent crime again. I believe that, once the convictions are overturned and the SIS rescinded, all they will want to do is live quiet lives out of the spotlight into which they were unwillingly thrust by their false convictions. And, given the new evidence, I believe it will happen sooner rather than later.

Damien's infamous boogey man speech was said in sarcasm. He was a teenager, and one that tended to use sarcasm as a defense mechanism. Only time will tell, but I will sleep much better at night when the REAL killer of those three precious eight year old boys, Terry Wayne Hobbs, is behind bars where he belongs.

Please, read all of the documents. It appears to me that you are basing your beliefs on your reaction to some teenagers who were scared and who were on trial for their lives. I'm forever haunted by those little nude bodies, but I don't want to see innocent men pay the price for one cold hearted sociopath's actions in anger. Like I said, investigate this case and you'll see that I am right.
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Re: Is anyone else familiar with the story of the west memphis three?

Postby decepta-scott » Wed Jan 25, 2012 10:35 am

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Compassionate reader, I cant help notice that the only posts you have here are the ones reguarding this case. For someone to go so far as to become a member of a transformers fan sight to try and defend those men shows me that you are so far gone off the wrong end there is no return. That also shows why you blindly follow these guys.
You have stated that you bought the satanic bible and that you listen to metal so those guys attourney did his job it would seem. I was correct to believe that lots of the supporters for those guys are infact people who would believe they were pin pointed for the way they dress and the music they listen to. People just like them (with the possible exception of homicidal tendancies) who are remembering the guff they may have taken and jumping to their defence for that reason.
I knew of the hair in the binds. That hair could easily be explained since the boys live with their parrents, go to each others houses to play etc. Maybe the father bent down to tie the childs shoe and the hair fell on the boy. MANY possible reasons.
The fibers, microscopic or not, that were found to match the fibers from echols and misskelly and baldwin however cannot be explained away so easily. To even bring their size into this is silly. You know what is very small? The germ that causes the black plague. The small size dosent make it any less damning.
Someone said they heard the father say he killed those boys? Several people say they heard those guys speak of kill those boys and that they were going to do it again as well. Yet you try to explain that away.
You find devorce in the wake of having your baby murdered and his death drug through the media suspicious? You think moving away from the small town where your child was killed weird behavior? Think of the damage that could do to a marrage. Think of the pain that seeing places where you and your son used to play, Looking at the highschool where your son should be graduating from this year could cause. Seriously do you think about these things before you type?
Theres nothing suspicious with wanting to leave the small town where your boy was murdered. I can totally see a marrage ending because of the depression and meloncholy that that would cause as well.
You explain away all the key points to this case so easily it is scarry. So what people say echols tortured animals and killed them. So what there are animal skulls in echols room. So what that shows he liked to torture, kill and save parts from his victem and thats where killers always start.
So what they went arround before and after he was charged with the murders saying he did it and that he would do it again. So what they engaged in devil worship. So what they made no attempt to show remorse for the lives lost or the grief the families were going through neither before or after they were arrested.
So what (and this is my favorite) he thinks it is neat to be thought of as a boogy man. To be feared by children. To have children cower before him in fear of their lives. After all it was said for "shock value"
Who cares if he says he only said it for shock value? What makes you believe this p.o.s? Do you hear yourself? Your saying he said those things for shock value and then wonders why he is hauled into court for murder? Who does that? Even at his murder hearing he continues against the pleas of his lawyer even saying at one point when asked if he heard what the judge said to him "oh dude... I was only half way listening then...hu hu..." w.t.f?! In reality though none of that was said for shock value. You can tell when he is talking (especially that bit about being the boogy man) that he was serious.
All of those guys, with echols the worst by far, displayed all the traits of someone who has something to hide."But theres no HARD evidence against them" Got news for ya, plenty of people are convicted on something called circumstantial evidence and there is plenty of it to be found here. You put the pieces of this puzzle together and you have the picture.
I never said that they were killers or that they should be convicted simply because of the way they look. I love how you jumped on what I truely said and twisted it to fit your needs. What I said in fact was that all one need do is look at the way they acted and theyre clomplet lack of compassion for anyone involved including each other neither before or after they were arrested to see they were hiding something. Nice try but no cigar. you couple that with all the other evidence here though and yes I believe you have three killers.
You assume that in order to practice devil worship and to study witchcraft you have to join a coven? "damien, in spite of all the evidence found to show otherwise, coundnt possibly be a devil worshiper because he wasnt in a coven"? That dosent make sense. I have known plenty of people who bought the satanic bible (yes it is a religeon but that dosent change the fact that plenty of people practice it to worship the devil) and proceded to do cruel things to please satan. Plenty of folks buy those books with no desire to include any members of a "church" or coven other than maybe a few close pals. Mean people getting together to do mean things. Thats it.
The guy changed his name to damien for christs sake!!!! That says it all!! I know your going to come out and say he changed it for some other reason but get real. Add to this the skulls, the dark clothing and a passion for the music that you admit has strong ties to devil worship and dont you think the evidence that points to his satanic worship is starting to pile up at this piont? Geesh!! For these reasons and contrary to what you said, my earlier comments were infact NOT incorrect.
Im sad to inform you that all judges are corrupt and eager to advance their carriers. EVERY LAST ONE OF THEM. Also corrupt and eager to flesh out their resumes are prosicuters, public defenders and lawyers. Its a corrupt system run by corrupt men and women so in that respect they were at no more of a disadvantage than anyone else.
You realize that you dismiss all that evidence as if it didnt even exist and then jump onto the father and suggest he is the guilty one because of a single hair that can be easily explained. Surely you see the folly and hypocrisy in that. Scary.
As for my aunt she has never been intarogated for murder but she has many many times been interogated for lesser house crimes such as eating all the cookies. There was solid proof to "convict" her and still she would not budge. So I can be pretty certain that she would not admit to murder.
She is no adult either. She is a six year old who has been alive for sixty plus years but since she lacks the ability to learn and retain most things those sixty plus years count for nothing. I assure you she would be quite scared if questioned by police. The ploice had scores of folks who heard those guys talking about those murders. Saying they were going to do it again. If the cops didnt bring them in they wouldnt have been doing their jobs thats for sure.
I never suggested you werent a teacher meerly that you had not heard children say the things you claim they say on a daily basis. Certainly not to the extent that those men were. If you did I would hope you as a teacher would have contacted the law. Especially concidering that all this took place in the midst of the rash of school murders. There is NOTHING normal about anything those guys said and to suggest that I just didnt grow up in a rough enough school to hear this stuff is silly. It dosent get too much worse than western iroquois and beuchel. PERIOD.
I know where west memphis is located. I dont know why I typed MISS. It was a type error. I also made the mistake of believing you a male. Not because I am a sexist pig who believes only men could possibly be a teacher, but because you are on a fan sight dedicated to transformers. Mostly men arround here.
I know the names of all the players in this event. I simply dont want to type their names every time Im refering to them as a trio.
I guess thats all mam. In the end noone will know for sure who has done this. I still hold fast to the belief that one or more of those boys will kill again. Im sure there will be an uprising of folks to come to his or their aid just as they are now. I can hear the excueses now. "well he was driven crazy by prison" etc. Hopefully next time he or they will fry in spite of the dixie chicks and metallicas concerts.
Lastly while I may not be an expert on this case I am much more than a casual reader of the bits I agree with. I have indeed read scores of literature reguarding this case including courd preceedings. I have educated myself in enough areas to give an opinion that should be taken seriously. Id thank you to refrain from asking me to educate myself before I type. Thank you.
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Re: Is anyone else familiar with the story of the west memphis three?

Postby Dead Metal » Wed Jan 25, 2012 11:33 am

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Dude, current evidence points to them being innocent.

So they weren't exactly "normal", so what, that doesn't make them guilty for that crime, so far it seems the only evidence against them is that they where "weird".

Also, interrogations for murder crimes are way more extreme and hardcore than "eating all the cookies".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interrogation

Loads of innocent people have admitted to murder and other high profile crimes just to finally have it over with, just to then be proven innocent in court.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_confession
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