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Re: Is anyone else familiar with the story of the west memphis three?

Postby decepta-scott » Sat Feb 11, 2012 6:32 pm

I just read your story dead metal. That was a good one back when i firdt heard it in ninth grade. It is an urban legend. Think about it. Its all wrong man. Absolutely no part of that story holds up to scrutinization. I dont think you intentionally posted an urban legend though.
Im still trying to figure out how that story proves the importants of the hair as it pertains to this particular case though.....
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Re: Is anyone else familiar with the story of the west memphis three?

Postby decepta-scott » Sat Feb 11, 2012 6:44 pm

Shadowman you are entitled to your opinion but your comments prove that you have NOT read my posts as you say you have. Had you read them you would know that none of your comments can be applied to my responses.
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Re: Is anyone else familiar with the story of the west memphis three?

Postby Shadowman » Sat Feb 11, 2012 8:34 pm

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decepta-scott wrote:Shadowman you are entitled to your opinion but your comments prove that you have NOT read my posts as you say you have. Had you read them you would know that none of your comments can be applied to my responses.


You're right. After a while, I started to realize you're so dead-set in your bias that these boys are guilty that you won't see reason. After that, I pretty much just skimmed all of your posts while reading Compassionate Reader's posts in their entirety. It's not that you believe their guilty, it's that you refuse to accept even the possibility that they might not be.
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Re: Is anyone else familiar with the story of the west memphis three?

Postby Dead Metal » Sun Feb 12, 2012 10:58 am

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decepta-scott wrote:I just read your story dead metal. That was a good one back when i firdt heard it in ninth grade. It is an urban legend. Think about it. Its all wrong man. Absolutely no part of that story holds up to scrutinization. I dont think you intentionally posted an urban legend though.
Im still trying to figure out how that story proves the importants of the hair as it pertains to this particular case though.....

Dude, the kid sat in my kitchen crying his eyes out that someone had "stolen" his sister.
His mother told us that someone took the corpse from the cemetery building just an hour before the ceremony, I read the article in the local paper that described how the metal head was arrested, I was there when the kid told my brother goodbye because he was going with his mum because she couldn't stand living here anymore. I was there when the vicar announced the replacement helping hand, and I was told by his neighbours what he did with the girl.

So no, I'm sorry but it's not an urban legend.

And what it has to do with this case? Well, in this case it was also the "weird" kid who was found guilty, oh and it was the step dad who actually did it. Oh yea and it was full of crappy police work, just like this case here.
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Re: Is anyone else familiar with the story of the west memphis three?

Postby decepta-scott » Mon Feb 13, 2012 1:32 pm

SHADOWMAN why dont you show me this "reason" of which you speak? It dosent exist.
You admit you know nothing of this case and that you didnt even take time to read my posts so with all due respect your comments mean zip and your oponion should not be concidered.
I would say that compassionate reader is just as "dead set" in her opinion that the three are innocent as I am that they are guilty.
I have actually gone back and forth a few times as a matter of fact. Had you taken time to read the posts that you scrutinize you may have known that. In the end the evidence has swayed my opinion to their guilt. If any REAL evidence to their innocence comes forth I would view it with an open mind and eat crow were it tangable. Until then...

Bottom line for the last time is that the three murderers supporters have a hair and a man behaving what they call weird. THATS ALL. Baldwin confesses against his attourneys wishes and his supporters say it was false confession. He confesses to the officers taking him to prision and they say that too was a false confession. He had details of the scene that only the killers would have and they say....well their supporters have no response for that actually that ive heard. they also have nothng to say about the knife found in the pond behiend echols home that matches the cuts on the babies flesh.
Echols has a satanic bible and skulls in his room as well as a bunch of other satanic books, quotes from satanic worship authors and the murders match a satanic sacrifice and their supporters say that dosent make him a killer. He is heard talking to miskelly and baldwin several times about the murders and several people come forth to testify to that and their supporters say they were joking or that it was done for shock value. Kids will be kids right?
the three men continue to sas and talk crap to everyone involved especially the parrents of the victems before, durring and after the trial and echols admits to loving the fact that children will fear them and that hes loving to be thought of as a boggy man and their supporters say that also was for shock.
After so easily dismissing all that they want to say a hair that could easily be there via secondary transfer and the "weird" behavior of terry proves his guilt???
Well I say B.S. It seems to me that compassionate reader and now you have way too easily explained away crucial evidence that alone may not convict them but together form a nearly complete pic.

DEAD METAL Perhaps I should have been more specific. The s.t.d. thats only contracted through intercourse with a corpse is infact an urban ledgend.
As for the rest of the story who knows. You say it happened and I cannot refute it although bodys are generally taken straight from the funeral home to the cemetary with all the family and friends following (youve never seen a funeral precession on the road?) to be blessed and comitted to the earth at the final gathering. All that happens right away with no time inbetween.
The casket is also locked tight and the key turned over to the next of kin following the ceromony.
If the man who was guilty was always by his wifes side as uou say then when would he have time to sneak away to get the body, how would he have the key?
I guess it is POSSIBLE if the funeral went wildly different than others go. Maybe they have a different reliegon and do it differently. I just thought Id give you some food for thought.
And I never said I didnt see how the story had anything to do with the w.m.3. case at all, I said I didnt see how your story proved the sagnifigance of a hair as it pertains to the w.m.3 case.

People are wrongly convicted every now and again but those men are not in that catagory.
I will also add that at the time of the killings echols was damn near 19 yrs old and the others were almost 18 and 16 yrs old. Echols wasnt even supposed to be in highschool anymore. He was and is a MAN and 17 yrs old is old enough to know better as well. Remember that the next time you want to spout off about how KIDS say weird things because they werent quite children now wee they? At exactly what age are you expected to take responsibility for what you say?
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Re: Is anyone else familiar with the story of the west memphis three?

Postby Shadowman » Mon Feb 13, 2012 2:07 pm

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decepta-scott wrote:SHADOWMAN why dont you show me this "reason" of which you speak?


That you might be wrong. For every piece of evidence, you act like it didn't exist, doesn't count, or it's meaningless. I'm not saying "Shut up and accept they're innocent" I'm saying "Open your mind to the possibility they might be innocent."

decepta-scott wrote:Had you taken time to read the posts that you scrutinize you may have known that.


I didn't scrutinize anything. In fact, if you read my post, you'd see I admitted that I skimmed your posts. That's the opposite of scrutiny.
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Re: Is anyone else familiar with the story of the west memphis three?

Postby Dead Metal » Mon Feb 13, 2012 2:10 pm

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decepta-scott wrote: DEAD METAL Perhaps I should have been more specific. The s.t.d. thats only contracted through intercourse with a corpse in infact an urban ledgend. As for the rest of the story who knows. You say it happened and I cannot refuet it although bodys are generally taken straight from the funeral home to the cemetary with all the family and friens following (youve never seen a funeral precession on the road?) to be blessed and comitted to the earth at the final gathering. All that happens right away with no time inbetween.
The casket is also locked tight and the key turned over to the next of kin following the ceromony.
If the man who was guilty was always by his wifes side as uou say then when would he have time to sneak away to get the body, how would he have the key?
I guess it is POSSIBLE if the funeral went wildly different tht others go but I just thought Id give you some food for thought.
And I never said I didnt see how the story had anything to do with the w.m.3. case at all, I said I didnt see how your story proved the sagnifigance of a hair as it pertains to the w.m.3 case.

Have you forgotten that I'm German? You know not everyone does stuff the same way as you in the US do, and the way it's done varies form region to region, even within the US.
Just food for thought.

We bring the body, especially here in a small village, to the cemetery and put it in the cemetery building. It's almost like a church, only it's never used for any ceremony other than funerals. Then everyone gathers at the church, which is quite a bit away in this village, there a special sermon is held after which everyone walks to the cemetery, while the priest gives blessings.
Then the building is opened and everyone gets to look at the corpse to say their farewells, then the casket is closed and carried to its grave.

The thing is, he removed the corpse after putting it in the building. While his wife went to the Church, he stayed behind and removed it from the casket, hid it somewhere and went to the church.

He never said why he killed her, only that he did and that he took her from the casket and had sex with her.

I have no idea if that with the STD is true or not, but that was the answer I got to how they found out about where the corpse was, I can only repeat what I've been told.


Also, forensic evidence trumps circumstantial evidence. The hair was found at a spot where it could only have gotten if the owner of the hair tied those knots.


Also an explanation to what reason means.

I also believe that the back an forth you went through and the research you did was done on sites and sources that are super biassed. Kinda like researching black people by reading KKK websites.
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Re: Is anyone else familiar with the story of the west memphis three?

Postby decepta-scott » Mon Feb 13, 2012 3:12 pm

Actually dead metal most of the research I have done was on the three documentarys made by the defence for the defense of the three and verbatum court transcripts. The fact is the hair COULD HAVE GOTTEN THERE MANY DIFFERENT WAYS. You should read a post or two before you give an unresearched response.
Im wondering also what trouble one must have had removing carrying arround and ultimately having relations with a stiff embalmed corpse.........

Shadow man there exists, for the UMPTEENTH time no evidence save a hair which could be tthere via secondary transfer and a "weird" acting father. THATS ALL. What you say of me goes DOUBLE for sympathetic reader. Id wager you have a hard time getting her to say they could be guilty. And yes you did scrutinize me and my posts in addition to admitting you know nil of the case and didnt read my posts..
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Re: Is anyone else familiar with the story of the west memphis three?

Postby Va'al » Mon Feb 13, 2012 3:14 pm

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Can someone please close this?
It's becoming seriously irritating.
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Re: Is anyone else familiar with the story of the west memphis three?

Postby decepta-scott » Mon Feb 13, 2012 4:26 pm

Va'al wrote:Can someone please close this?
It's becoming seriously irritating.



Excuse me??? Heres what ya do sport. Dont click the link to this thread and ya dont have to read it. VIOLA!!!!
FYI No rules are being broken, noone is calling names and theres no reason to close the thread.
Again if you dont wanna read it then DONT CLICK THE LINK. :roll:
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Re: Is anyone else familiar with the story of the west memphis three?

Postby Shadowman » Mon Feb 13, 2012 4:29 pm

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decepta-scott wrote:And yes you did scrutinize me and my posts in addition to admitting you know nil of the case and didnt read my posts..


"Scrutinize" and "did not read" are two very different concepts. I'm surprised you didn't know that.
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Re: Is anyone else familiar with the story of the west memphis three?

Postby Va'al » Mon Feb 13, 2012 5:01 pm

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decepta-scott wrote:
Va'al wrote:Can someone please close this?
It's becoming seriously irritating.



Excuse me??? Heres what ya do sport. Dont click the link to this thread and ya dont have to read it. VIOLA!!!!
FYI No rules are being broken, noone is calling names and theres no reason to close the thread.
Again if you dont wanna read it then DONT CLICK THE LINK. :roll:


You are calling people liars.
Namely, Dead Metal.
How? He has been as clear as possible in his counter-arguments, and you have responded by saying:

decepta-scott wrote:As for the rest of the story who knows. You say it happened and I cannot refute it although...


And then used a US-centric description of how funerals happen.

This, to a post where he told you not his opinion, but relayed some facts that affected him personally.


I seriously try not reading the responses in this thread, but I am interested in the topic, despite my efforts not to get worked up by board-arguing.

Also, it's 'voilà'.
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Re: Is anyone else familiar with the story of the west memphis three?

Postby decepta-scott » Tue Feb 14, 2012 8:46 am

SHADOWMAN it wasnt the fact that u admitted to not reading my posts or not knowing anything of this case that was scrutinous. It was the part where you say i should think a different way that was scrutinous.

VAAL try and understand this now. Dead metal information on an std that is only contracted through sex with a courpse was infact wrong. Dosent it stand to reason then that more of the info given to him could also be wrong? I never called him a liar. He was repeating what he was told. I simply asked questions. Theres nothing wrong with that.

DEAD METAL I havnt forgotten that things are done differently and infact said that was a possibility did i not? I would like to point out that you said the body was not used for any ceromony other than the wake and then go on to explain how there Was A ceromony.

This has gotten a bit from topic my friends. Id like to steer back to the subject that was supposed to be discussed if we could.
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Re: Is anyone else familiar with the story of the west memphis three?

Postby Dead Metal » Tue Feb 14, 2012 9:47 am

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decepta-scott wrote: DEAD METAL I havnt forgotten that things are done differently and infact said that was a possibility did i not? I would like to point out that you said the body was not used for any ceromony other than the wake and then go on to explain how there Was A ceromony.

The only info I was given second hand was the one with the STD, the rest is first hand and or from the local newspapers.

Also, let me explain it again, the body is put into the casket, which is left in the building.

Then everybody goes to the church for the ceremony, goes back, say their farewells and then it's put into the ground.

Ergo, the body is not used for any ceremony.
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Re: Is anyone else familiar with the story of the west memphis three?

Postby Shadowman » Tue Feb 14, 2012 3:20 pm

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decepta-scott wrote:SHADOWMAN it wasnt the fact that u admitted to not reading my posts or not knowing anything of this case that was scrutinous. It was the part where you say i should think a different way that was scrutinous.


First off, that's not what scrutiny means.

scru·ti·ny
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noun, plural -nies.
1.
a searching examination or investigation; minute inquiry.
2.
surveillance; close and continuous watching or guarding.
3.
a close and searching look.


Second, yes, you should think a different way. I'm not saying switch your position entirely, just open yourself up to the possibility that your position is wrong.
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Re: Is anyone else familiar with the story of the west memphis three?

Postby decepta-scott » Wed Feb 15, 2012 6:11 am

Shadow man read your own definition and think again. You examined my posts (its obviuos that you did to some degree) and are now passing judgement on it. I.E. I need to think a certain way which by the way is your opinion. I think that you are trying to say that since you didnt read my posts in their entirety then you cant qualify as scrutinous. If that is what you are ytrying then you need to get real.
Anyway I already stated that at one time I did think they may be innocent. In my mind there is just too much evidence to show otherwise. Beyond a reasonable doubt for sure. I have an open mind to all things and will gladly concider any new evidence that may exhonerate the three murderers. Youd know that had you read my posts. ;)
Im interested to know weather you think compassionate reader should accept that they may be guilty?

Dead metal you are saying that the body is not used for a ceromony and then describing a ceromony. You even use the word CEROMONY. Geesh guy its right there on the screen. :lol: Im also wondering, since you and I both agree that funerals vary from place to place, how you know that that was how they did that particular funeral? I also thought that you said that the s.t.d. was how they caught the murderer? Youd think that would have made the paper......
It realy dosnt matter though as it has NOTHING to do with this post so Im will toing let this go.
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Re: Is anyone else familiar with the story of the west memphis three?

Postby Va'al » Wed Feb 15, 2012 6:31 am

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decepta-scott wrote:Anyway I already stated that at one time I did think they may be innocent. In my mind there is just too much evidence to show otherwise. Beyond a reasonable doubt for sure. I have an open mind to all things and will gladly concider any new evidence that may exhonerate the three murderers.


CNN wrote:The West Memphis 3 have gained advocates, including unexpected support from some of the parents of the victims. Last year, Pamela Hobbs, mother of victim Steven Branch, told CNN that she was once convinced of their guilt. Then she began to consider the DNA evidence. She now says she believes the prosecution's case was flawed.


from http://edition.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/09/28/west.memphis.3.damien.echols/index.html


Also, The mother of one of the three Cub Scouts killed in Arkansas in 1993 - a case that is the subject of a documentary nominated for an Academy Award - wants the case reopened because of what she called crucial new evidence.
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Re: Is anyone else familiar with the story of the west memphis three?

Postby Dead Metal » Wed Feb 15, 2012 8:18 am

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decepta-scott wrote: Dead metal you are saying that the body is not used for a ceromony and then describing a ceromony. You even use the word CEROMONY. Geesh guy its right there on the screen. :lol: Im also wondering, since you and I both agree that funerals vary from place to place, how you know that that was how they did that particular funeral? I also thought that you said that the s.t.d. was how they caught the murderer? Youd think that would have made the paper......
It realy dosnt matter though as it has NOTHING to do with this post so Im will toing let this go.

Let me repeat it one last time:

The body staid in the cemetery building. The ceremony was held in the church at the other end of the damn village, without the body.

Seriously, do I have to record myself saying it and upload it to youtube or somewhere, or would you not understand that too?

Oh no wait, I think you're just trolling, furthermore you're being disrespectful to and the opinions of

  • Me
  • Compassionate reader, who is new I might add
  • Shadowman
  • Va'Al


For this I'm issuing you a warning, of which you'll also be notified via pm.

Oh and I'm also locking this thread.
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