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Is G1 the best?

Postby duragrip » Mon Jul 28, 2014 11:54 am

I only seem to like the G1 cartoon, characters, and toys.

G1 Omega Supreme is my favorite.

My main criticism is the killing off of Megatron. Galvatron is nothing like Megatron. And if they're supposed to be the same guy then why was there a statue of Megatron in the crypt in the episode "Starscream's Ghost"? This implies Megatron died.
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Re: Is G1 the best?

Postby Dead Metal » Mon Jul 28, 2014 2:44 pm

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Megatron clearly gets rebuilt into Galvatron = same guy, he later looses his mind, which is what makes him different.

The G1 toys suck, they where great for the time, but by today's standards they suck.

The G1 cartoon is pretty bad by today's standards, but was great at the time, however it is dear to most of us as it's the most iconic incarnation.


In short, different folks different strokes or some such.
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Re: Is G1 the best?

Postby ZeroWolf » Mon Jul 28, 2014 3:09 pm

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As Dead Metal said this is different strokes for different folks. For me G1 isn't the best but I still respect it. The cartoon is the standard of Saturday morning cartoons of the 80s, times have moved on, tastes change however nostalgia never dies hence why so many still care about it to some degree. End of the day though looking at it objectively it's a toon to sell toys that's it. Season three tried some new stuff (a lot more sci fi stories, Rodimus growth as leader) but that's never the G1 people mention.
Then there's the comic...which I can't comment on much as I'm still working through it.
The toys are bricks. Simple as, but we needed them as the first step. The people who designed the first Diaclone and the Microchange subline of Microman really took things to the next level.

So, to summarise, G1 was important but I don't think it was the best of the franchise.
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Re: Is G1 the best?

Postby JetOptimus23 » Mon Jul 28, 2014 5:52 pm

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Anyone who objectively thinks G1 is the best either hasn't watched it since their childhood or is seriously delusional. The series is wrought with problems and doesn't really hold up, but hey I still like it because thats what started it all. Just like these other two folks said.
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Re: Is G1 the best?

Postby duragrip » Mon Jul 28, 2014 6:19 pm

I like the way the G1 cartoon was drawn much better. I think the writing and storyline seemed more adult. The G1 character designs, concepts, and vision was what I fell in love with. Everything felt so fresh and original. G1 really captured my imagination. Everything after seems more like it's geared toward younger kids. The art doesn't seem realistic. It just looks and feels convoluted.
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Re: Is G1 the best?

Postby Sabrblade » Mon Jul 28, 2014 6:57 pm

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The G1 Marvel Comics were/are better. Especially the UK ones.
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Re: Is G1 the best?

Postby duragrip » Mon Jul 28, 2014 7:11 pm

Also the music and choreography of the G1 cartoon was phenomenal, reaching a crescendo with the 1986 Transformers The Movie which by the way blows away any of the live-action movies. The music created excitement and built up suspense, and pumped the fans up. They just don't do that anymore in today's cartoons.
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Re: Is G1 the best?

Postby shajaki » Mon Jul 28, 2014 8:03 pm

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i grew up watching G1. i love it, and always will. is it as good as my other favorites, beast wars and beast machines? nope. but i accept G1 and all its flaws cause thats what you do to things you love.

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Re: Is G1 the best?

Postby duragrip » Mon Jul 28, 2014 8:22 pm

I guess it's just me who feels this way. For me everything past G1 is unwatchable.
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Re: Is G1 the best?

Postby Sabrblade » Mon Jul 28, 2014 8:37 pm

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duragrip wrote:I guess it's just me who feels this way. For me everything past G1 is unwatchable.
By that logic, 90% of any well made TV show to come after the 80's would likewise be unwatchable.

Like, the 90's-2000's DC superhero cartoons, the 2011 ThunderCats cartoon, both the 2003-2008 and the 2012-Present TMNT cartoons, Avatar: The Last Airbender, Samurai Jack, Gargoyles, and others would all be considered unwatchable.
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Re: Is G1 the best?

Postby duragrip » Mon Jul 28, 2014 8:46 pm

Yes, the 80's and 70's were the golden age of cartoons. They had more heart and soul, love and pride put into them. It just looked like more time and care were put into them to make them extra special. The 2000's updated cartoon drawings look choppy and thrown together. They just want it pumped out as fast as possible to make money. The quality is just not up to the level of the 70's and 80's.
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Re: Is G1 the best?

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duragrip wrote:Yes, the 80's and 70's were the golden age of cartoons. They had more heart and soul, love and pride put into them. It just looked like more time and care were put into them to make them extra special. The 2000's updated cartoon drawings look choppy and thrown together. They just want it pumped out as fast as possible to make money. The quality is just not up to the level of the 70's and 80's.
You do realize that I was speaking hypothetically, right? That I don't think of any of those post-80's masterpieces I mentioned as being "unwatchable".
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Re: Is G1 the best?

Postby duragrip » Mon Jul 28, 2014 9:07 pm

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Megatron clearly gets rebuilt into Galvatron = same guy, he later looses his mind, which is what makes him different.


How do you explain Cyclonus being so different from Thundercracker, Scourge nothing like Skywarp, and the Sweeps not being as cool as the Insecticons. And why was Octane talking to the statue of Thundercracker in the crypt (ie. "Starscream's Ghost") if he was simply reformatted into Cyclonus. Why were there statues of Megatron and Thundercracker in the Decepticon mausoleum if they're not dead, but simply reformatted?
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Re: Is G1 the best?

Postby JetOptimus23 » Tue Jul 29, 2014 12:00 am

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duragrip wrote:
Dead Metal wrote:
Megatron clearly gets rebuilt into Galvatron = same guy, he later looses his mind, which is what makes him different.


How do you explain Cyclonus being so different from Thundercracker, Scourge nothing like Skywarp, and the Sweeps not being as cool as the Insecticons. And why was Octane talking to the statue of Thundercracker in the crypt (ie. "Starscream's Ghost") if he was simply reformatted into Cyclonus. Why were there statues of Megatron and Thundercracker in the Decepticon mausoleum if they're not dead, but simply reformatted?


The simplest answer would be that when they're reformatted, they become different bots, so basically the bot they once were ceases to be. Cyclonus isn't Thundercracker, he has a new body, maybe even a new spark. So to Cybertronians, they're dead.
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Re: Is G1 the best?

Postby duragrip » Tue Jul 29, 2014 12:13 am

I would love if they brought back all the 80's animators, voice actors, artists, and writers. They could use the 80's library of animation cells to make more G1 episodes. I want to see G1 Devastator, Omega Supreme, Bruticus, Superion, Computron, Predaking, etc. I want to see Galvatron reformatted back into Megatron. I want to know what happened to Starscream after he got his body back. It would be great to see Grimlock and the Dinobots again. And of course I want to see Optimus Prime lead the Autobots.

I want to see G1 Omega Supreme fight all the new gestalts like Predaking who has no known weaknesses. I want to see Omega kick ass again but in more g1 episodes.

All this great source material came from G1.
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Re: Is G1 the best?

Postby Dead Metal » Tue Jul 29, 2014 12:27 am

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duragrip wrote:Yes, the 80's and 70's were the golden age of cartoons. They had more heart and soul, love and pride put into them. It just looked like more time and care were put into them to make them extra special. The 2000's updated cartoon drawings look choppy and thrown together. They just want it pumped out as fast as possible to make money. The quality is just not up to the level of the 70's and 80's.

Wow, at first I thought you were just overly nostalgic for the G1 toon, but you're actually delusional. The cartoons in the 70 were dominated by Hanna Barbera, who produced their cartoons as quick and as cheaply as possible, even going so far as reusing characters for different shows.

The average episode of Batman TAS or Adventure Time has more love and care put into it than the entire run of the majority of an 70s and 80s cartoon.

duragrip wrote:
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Megatron clearly gets rebuilt into Galvatron = same guy, he later looses his mind, which is what makes him different.


How do you explain Cyclonus being so different from Thundercracker, Scourge nothing like Skywarp, and the Sweeps not being as cool as the Insecticons. And why was Octane talking to the statue of Thundercracker in the crypt (ie. "Starscream's Ghost") if he was simply reformatted into Cyclonus. Why were there statues of Megatron and Thundercracker in the Decepticon mausoleum if they're not dead, but simply reformatted?

Megatron was alive during the reformatting, the others were dead, note how they're all dark and lifeless while meeting Unicron.
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Re: Is G1 the best?

Postby PrymeStriker » Tue Jul 29, 2014 1:16 am

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There are few words to describe how absolutely terrible the 1980's Transformers cartoon was. Watching that show was like witnessing a car crash 98 times. The animation was some of the laziest **** I've ever seen. The writing is so daft and pathetic that it actually reached all-time lows of stupidity. It wasn't until season two that they started building on any of the characters to any great extent, and while some of them were actually quite decent (i.e War Dawn), it still amounted to a bunch of contrived crap in order to sell toys.

After soldiering through 65 episodes of stupidity, you think: "well, it can't get any worse than this." You watch the 1986 movie, drool over how much better it is and think: "this is such a fantastic improvement! I wonder what the third season has in store?" You watch the third season and want to vomit blood right on your living room floor. The animation is even worse, the writing is even worse, and the characters are even worse!

To answer your question, no. G1 is not the best. It is, in fact, one of the worst cartoons I've ever had the displeasure of watching. The only thing you could possibly praise this pitiful mess for is making the way for good shows like Beast Wars, Beast Machines, and Transformers: Prime. Similarly, you could also blame it for being the source material for equally piss-poor cartoons like Transformers: Energon. I'll stick to loving those wonderful 80's bricks instead.
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Re: Is G1 the best?

Postby JetOptimus23 » Tue Jul 29, 2014 1:28 am

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PrymeStriker wrote:There are few words to describe how absolutely terrible the 1980's Transformers cartoon was. Watching that show was like witnessing a car crash 98 times. The animation was some of the laziest **** I've ever seen. The writing is so daft and pathetic that it actually reached all-time lows of stupidity. It wasn't until season two that they started building on any of the characters to any great extent, and while some of them were actually quite decent (i.e War Dawn), it still amounted to a bunch of contrived crap in order to sell toys.

After soldiering through 65 episodes of stupidity, you think: "well, it can't get any worse than this." You watch the 1986 movie, drool over how much better it is and think: "this is such a fantastic improvement! I wonder what the third season has in store?" You watch the third season and want to vomit blood right on your living room floor. The animation is even worse, the writing is even worse, and the characters are even worse!

To answer your question, no. G1 is not the best. It is, in fact, one of the worst cartoons I've ever had the displeasure of watching. The only thing you could possibly praise this pitiful mess for is making the way for good shows like Beast Wars, Beast Machines, and Transformers: Prime. Similarly, you could also blame it for being the source material for equally piss-poor cartoons like Transformers: Energon. I'll stick to loving those wonderful 80's bricks instead.


Wow got some venom there. I take it you really aren't a fan. And to be fair, its not just G1 thats "A bunch of contrived crap to sell toys" that could be said for a lot of series. Hell, there are even moments in Beast Wars where the capitalism really shines through (i.e Tigerhawk's 3 episodes because they weren't sure they could sell figures, the three times Primal got reformatted in that show, the other reformattings etc) because even now the Transformers brand exists to sell toys, though its mostly less contrived and crappy and actually concerned about telling a story enjoyable for all ages. And I will say that if anyone wants to say G1 is flawless just show them B.O.T. or Carnage in C Minor or some other nonsense. That might change their tune.
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Re: Is G1 the best?

Postby Sabrblade » Tue Jul 29, 2014 11:00 am

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duragrip wrote:Yes, the 80's and 70's were the golden age of cartoons. They had more heart and soul, love and pride put into them. It just looked like more time and care were put into them to make them extra special. The 2000's updated cartoon drawings look choppy and thrown together. They just want it pumped out as fast as possible to make money. The quality is just not up to the level of the 70's and 80's.

Wow, at first I thought you were just overly nostalgic for the G1 toon, but you're actually delusional. The cartoons in the 70 were dominated by Hanna Barbera, who produced their cartoons as quick and as cheaply as possible, even going so far as reusing characters for different shows.

The average episode of Batman TAS or Adventure Time has more love and care put into it than the entire run of the majority of an 70s and 80s cartoon.
And the first really awesome Hanna-Barbera cartoon wouldn't even come about until 1993:


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Re: Is G1 the best?

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duragrip wrote:Yes, the 80's and 70's were the golden age of cartoons. They had more heart and soul, love and pride put into them. It just looked like more time and care were put into them to make them extra special. The 2000's updated cartoon drawings look choppy and thrown together. They just want it pumped out as fast as possible to make money. The quality is just not up to the level of the 70's and 80's.

Wow, at first I thought you were just overly nostalgic for the G1 toon, but you're actually delusional. The cartoons in the 70 were dominated by Hanna Barbera, who produced their cartoons as quick and as cheaply as possible, even going so far as reusing characters for different shows.

The average episode of Batman TAS or Adventure Time has more love and care put into it than the entire run of the majority of an 70s and 80s cartoon.
And the first really awesome Hanna-Barbera cartoon wouldn't even come about until 1993:



I love SWAT Kats, filled many an afternoon for me. Although I also enjoyed thirteen ghosts of Scooby Doo :lol:

G1 just can't live up to future shows, it's not a timeless classic. Though I do like the franchise when it tries to do new things use new characters. Although Iunderstand Hasbro reluctance to do so because of copyright and such.
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G1 is my favorite version,because it's the first version and I grew up with them,but I don't think it's the best story wise. It had too many flaws in it's continuity.
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Re: Is G1 the best?

Postby duragrip » Tue Jul 29, 2014 1:39 pm

The Transformers live-action movies are heavily based on the G1 cartoon. I think that's saying something, that maybe it's not all bad. G1 is definiitely closest to my heart.

I guess I'm with the crowd that feel the original Superman and Star Wars movies were better than the updated versions. I also like the Superfriends of the 70's and 80's better than the Justice League Unlimited cartoon series. I also like the original 80's He-man than the 200X. Call me crazy but these original works just seem to have a spark that the more modern cartoons can't touch, no matter how much money and visual effects they put into them.

Maybe back then they put more pride, heart and soul into these productions. They could take their time. Today, they want it done as fast as possible so the drawings of the characters and backgrounds don't seem as realistic. To me the stuff produced on computer looks choppy, plastic, and hollow. Maybe it's because they used to draw it hand, frame by frame. My artist friend says that this is an advantage because you can feel how hard you're press on the paper, and with a computer stylus and tablet it's harder to do and you can't produce quality work as fast. I guess I like cell animation better than computer animation.
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Re: Is G1 the best?

Postby JetOptimus23 » Tue Jul 29, 2014 1:55 pm

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duragrip wrote:The Transformers live-action movies are heavily based on the G1 cartoon. I think that's saying something, that maybe it's not all bad. G1 is definiitely closest to my heart.

I guess I'm with the crowd that feel the original Superman and Star Wars movies were better than the updated versions. I also like the Superfriends of the 70's and 80's better than the Justice League Unlimited cartoon series. Call me crazy but these original works just seem to have a spark that the more modern cartoons can't touch, no matter how much money and visual effects they put into them.

Maybe back then they put more pride, heart and soul into these productions. They could take their time. Today, they want it done as fast as possible so the drawings of the characters and backgrounds don't seem as realistic. To me the stuff produced on computer looks choppy, plastic, and hollow. Maybe it's because they used to draw it hand, frame by frame. My artist friend says that this is an advantage because you can feel how hard you're press on the paper, and with a computer stylus and tablet it's harder to do and you can't produce quality work as fast. I guess I like cell animation better than computer animation.


That...that really doesn't make any sense. The rise of computer assistance in the animation industry resulted in leaps and bounds in quality, and also a lot of shoveled out bullcrap because hey, computer animation is now cheaper than hand animation. With CGI you can usually hire like a team of 6 guys to rig, texture, and animate everything for you if you really want it out. With hand animation you need a much larger team, and that would usually be outsourced back in the day. For instance, most of G1 wasn't animated here. It was shipped off to a studio in Korea to get most of the work done. In fact, I'd be willing to say G1 had less heart and soul put into it than Beast Wars. When they were making G1, all they wanted was to sell their toys, story and character development took a back seat to that. With Beast Wars, people who grew up with the G1 cartoon and comics got the opportunity to work on the revival of the bran in the US, and knew they had to do it justice.
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Re: Is G1 the best?

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duragrip wrote:The Transformers live-action movies are heavily based on the G1 cartoon. I think that's saying something, that maybe it's not all bad. G1 is definiitely closest to my heart.

I guess I'm with the crowd that feel the original Superman and Star Wars movies were better than the updated versions. I also like the Superfriends of the 70's and 80's better than the Justice League Unlimited cartoon series. Call me crazy but these original works just seem to have a spark that the more modern cartoons can't touch, no matter how much money and visual effects they put into them.

Maybe back then they put more pride, heart and soul into these productions. They could take their time. Today, they want it done as fast as possible so the drawings of the characters and backgrounds don't seem as realistic. To me the stuff produced on computer looks choppy, plastic, and hollow. Maybe it's because they used to draw it hand, frame by frame. My artist friend says that this is an advantage because you can feel how hard you're press on the paper, and with a computer stylus and tablet it's harder to do and you can't produce quality work as fast. I guess I like cell animation better than computer animation.


That...that really doesn't make any sense. The rise of computer assistance in the animation industry resulted in leaps and bounds in quality, and also a lot of shoveled out bullcrap because hey, computer animation is now cheaper than hand animation. With CGI you can usually hire like a team of 6 guys to rig, texture, and animate everything for you if you really want it out. With hand animation you need a much larger team, and that would usually be outsourced back in the day. For instance, most of G1 wasn't animated here. It was shipped off to a studio in Korea to get most of the work done. In fact, I'd be willing to say G1 had less heart and soul put into it than Beast Wars. When they were making G1, all they wanted was to sell their toys, story and character development took a back seat to that. With Beast Wars, people who grew up with the G1 cartoon and comics got the opportunity to work on the revival of the bran in the US, and knew they had to do it justice.

I couldn't agree more, but I know the feeling that duragrip is talking about but it's nostalgia. It's the same with music and cover songs, tv show remakes etc. That original spark for you was because they were your introduction to the franchises. Now you can love G1 to pieces but you also have to be aware of its flaws. Admit them and still love G1? That's great, love it to pieces :) Just stop putting G1 on a pedestal and want us all to worship it as the best. Opinions will never agree on it to earn that title. Instead just be happy that most of us respect g1 hence Hasbro pays homage to it while also striving forward with new ideas, new characters and best of all, new toys :D

Okay all of that wasn't just aimed at Duragrip but this was the perfect chance to show this.
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Re: Is G1 the best?

Postby JetOptimus23 » Tue Jul 29, 2014 3:52 pm

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duragrip wrote:The Transformers live-action movies are heavily based on the G1 cartoon. I think that's saying something, that maybe it's not all bad. G1 is definiitely closest to my heart.

I guess I'm with the crowd that feel the original Superman and Star Wars movies were better than the updated versions. I also like the Superfriends of the 70's and 80's better than the Justice League Unlimited cartoon series. Call me crazy but these original works just seem to have a spark that the more modern cartoons can't touch, no matter how much money and visual effects they put into them.

Maybe back then they put more pride, heart and soul into these productions. They could take their time. Today, they want it done as fast as possible so the drawings of the characters and backgrounds don't seem as realistic. To me the stuff produced on computer looks choppy, plastic, and hollow. Maybe it's because they used to draw it hand, frame by frame. My artist friend says that this is an advantage because you can feel how hard you're press on the paper, and with a computer stylus and tablet it's harder to do and you can't produce quality work as fast. I guess I like cell animation better than computer animation.


That...that really doesn't make any sense. The rise of computer assistance in the animation industry resulted in leaps and bounds in quality, and also a lot of shoveled out bullcrap because hey, computer animation is now cheaper than hand animation. With CGI you can usually hire like a team of 6 guys to rig, texture, and animate everything for you if you really want it out. With hand animation you need a much larger team, and that would usually be outsourced back in the day. For instance, most of G1 wasn't animated here. It was shipped off to a studio in Korea to get most of the work done. In fact, I'd be willing to say G1 had less heart and soul put into it than Beast Wars. When they were making G1, all they wanted was to sell their toys, story and character development took a back seat to that. With Beast Wars, people who grew up with the G1 cartoon and comics got the opportunity to work on the revival of the bran in the US, and knew they had to do it justice.

I couldn't agree more, but I know the feeling that duragrip is talking about but it's nostalgia. It's the same with music and cover songs, tv show remakes etc. That original spark for you was because they were your introduction to the franchises. Now you can love G1 to pieces but you also have to be aware of its flaws. Admit them and still love G1? That's great, love it to pieces :) Just stop putting G1 on a pedestal and want us all to worship it as the best. Opinions will never agree on it to earn that title. Instead just be happy that most of us respect g1 hence Hasbro pays homage to it while also striving forward with new ideas, new characters and best of all, new toys :D

Okay all of that wasn't just aimed at Duragrip but this was the perfect chance to show this.


That about sums it up. It's perfectly alright to love G1, but ignoring it's glaring flaws and seeing everything through those rose filtered nostalgia goggles just isn't the way to go about it. If we were all stuck in the past like that, how would any of us grow and advance as people hmm?
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