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Re: Is G1 the best?

Postby ZeroWolf » Tue Aug 12, 2014 8:48 am

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There was a channel here in the UK that was running re-runs of G1 till a few years ago. Also, duke, the mech in my avatar, highly recommends starting with King of Braves GaoGaiGar ;) (even though the mech itself is from its sequel show)
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Re: Is G1 the best?

Postby RSDADDIMUS2 » Tue Aug 12, 2014 10:59 am

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The Hub used to play G1 late at night a few years ago as well. :grin:
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Devastator vs. Omega Supreme....Who would win?

Postby duragrip » Sat Aug 16, 2014 1:15 am

I just started reading the G1 Transformers #19 Omega Supreme "Command Performances" comic and I ran into this:

Optimus Prime: But, unfortunately the Autobot science that produced him is inadequate!
For although Omega Supreme's Rocket and Tank modules combine to former a
single being of great power...

The Decepticons have designed six warriors---The Constructicons--
who can merge themselves into One--Devastator!

We must learn Devastator's secret if we are to maximize our chances of
defeating the Decepticons.

Therefore, we will immediately launch an assault on the Decepticons--
All of us, that is except Omega Supreme and chief medical officer
Ratchet!

It sounds like he's saying Devastator would overwhelm Omega Supreme in battle. Does this mean Devastator is better, stronger, and more powerful than Omega Supreme.

If that's the case, I'm depressed.
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Re: Is G1 the best?

Postby Sabrblade » Sat Aug 16, 2014 6:15 am

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That line makes no sense. "The Autobot science that produced him is inadequate"? Considering what happens later in said issue, I'd say it was plenty "adequate" enough!

Sounds more like the writer was just making an excuse to keep Omega out of the fight elsewhere so that he could guard the base while the others went out, which is all Optimus really had to say. "He'll stay behind to protect our base as its last line of defense while we go out and learn the secrets of Devastator." That's what he ought to have said.

Still, though, Devastator is one guy made of six. That alone would be enough to sound impressive.
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Re: Is G1 the best?

Postby duragrip » Sat Aug 16, 2014 7:18 pm

I read #76-#80 of the Marvel G1 comics a while back as a prelude to Regeneration One and I thought it was weird. I did not like it because it had characters that were not in the g1 cartoon.

I just started reading Issue #1 of G1 and I'm loving it! It seems so fresh. At what point did the G1 comic book series start getting weird-ass?

Maybe I just like the origin because everything seems so fresh and new, simple.
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Re: Is G1 the best?

Postby Sabrblade » Sat Aug 16, 2014 8:52 pm

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duragrip wrote:I read #76-#80 of the Marvel G1 comics a while back as a prelude to Regeneration One and I thought it was weird. I did not like it because it had characters that were not in the g1 cartoon.

I just started reading Issue #1 of G1 and I'm loving it! It seems so fresh. At what point did the G1 comic book series start getting weird-ass?

Maybe I just like the origin because everything seems so fresh and new, simple.
You do realize that the comic continued for several years after the cartoon ended, right? Of course issues #76-#80 had characters that weren't from the cartoon. Those issues came out in 1991. You essentially went and read the end of the story before the beginning.

And, come on. The G1 cartoon was plenty weird all on its own. Half of Megatron's schemes were silly and scatterbrained as all get out.
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Re: Is G1 the best?

Postby duragrip » Sat Aug 16, 2014 9:38 pm

What was weird to me was the weird skull dude, the creepy animal that did that mind-control, the cheesy human superhero trio I never heard of, Spike being Fortress Maximums and not just a human operator, and Optimum Prime being an old, bald-headed elderly man.

I read the end of the Marvel G1 story as background to try to get into the Regeneration One story arc, but it just turned me off to the whole Regeneration storyline.

I guess it's back to Classic G1 comics that parallel the US G1 cartoon series.
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Re: Is G1 the best?

Postby Sabrblade » Sat Aug 16, 2014 9:53 pm

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duragrip wrote:What was weird to me was the weird skull dude, the creepy animal that did that mind-control, the cheesy human superhero trio I never heard of, Spike being Fortress Maximums and not just a human operator, and Optimum Prime being an old, bald-headed elderly man.
Of course you would be confused by all that. There were 75 previous issues leading up to all that that came before. Regeneration One is meant to be read by those who already read all 80 issues of the G1 comics. The rerelease of issues #76-#80 that they released as a lead-in to Regeneration One was for those who had read all 80 issues but needed a refresher on the last few to get up to speed on them. Anyone who had never read all 80 issues beforehand would undoubtedly be confused by issues #76-#80.

Going back to the very beginning with the first issue is the right thing to do. Though, in addition to the 80 issues of the main comic story, there are two other 4-issue mini-series that you'll also need to read in between certain issues of the main 80 issues, because both of them have things happen in them that affect the story of the main 80 issues. The first mini-series is the "G.I. Joe and the Transformers" crossover, and the second is the "Transformers: Headmasters" side story. If you'd like, I could tell you between which issues these two side stories take place. :D
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Re: Is G1 the best?

Postby Dead Metal » Sun Aug 17, 2014 4:26 am

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Sabrblade wrote:
duragrip wrote:I read #76-#80 of the Marvel G1 comics a while back as a prelude to Regeneration One and I thought it was weird. I did not like it because it had characters that were not in the g1 cartoon.

I just started reading Issue #1 of G1 and I'm loving it! It seems so fresh. At what point did the G1 comic book series start getting weird-ass?

Maybe I just like the origin because everything seems so fresh and new, simple.
You do realize that the comic continued for several years after the cartoon ended, right? Of course issues #76-#80 had characters that weren't from the cartoon. Those issues came out in 1991. You essentially went and read the end of the story before the beginning.

And, come on. The G1 cartoon was plenty weird all on its own. Half of Megatron's schemes were silly and scatterbrained as all get out.

At least he was in the position for making schemes instead of being everybody's wiping bot. Oh sure, he had two moments that made him about as much of a threat as the cartoon made him out to be, but both those times were his "he's going to die so we gotta make him look cool" moments.

As for Duragrip. Yeah, the comic is pretty weird and I'm not a fan, but complaining about it because you read the end of it and don't understand the context of those issues, well that's not really the comic's fault is it. And no, the comic does not mirror the cartoon, they are two entirely different beasts and you'll end up hating it if you go at it from the mindset of expecting it to be like the cartoon.
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Re: Is G1 the best?

Postby JetOptimus23 » Sun Aug 17, 2014 5:28 am

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Sabrblade wrote:
duragrip wrote:I read #76-#80 of the Marvel G1 comics a while back as a prelude to Regeneration One and I thought it was weird. I did not like it because it had characters that were not in the g1 cartoon.

I just started reading Issue #1 of G1 and I'm loving it! It seems so fresh. At what point did the G1 comic book series start getting weird-ass?

Maybe I just like the origin because everything seems so fresh and new, simple.
You do realize that the comic continued for several years after the cartoon ended, right? Of course issues #76-#80 had characters that weren't from the cartoon. Those issues came out in 1991. You essentially went and read the end of the story before the beginning.

And, come on. The G1 cartoon was plenty weird all on its own. Half of Megatron's schemes were silly and scatterbrained as all get out.


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Re: Is G1 the best?

Postby duragrip » Tue Aug 19, 2014 5:58 pm

I've started reading the Marvel G1 comics and l like it better than modern Transformers comics. I feel like its clearer what's going on in each panel. The art style draws me into the panels and captures my imagination. Today's comics are so overdone I can't tell what's going on in each panel half the time (eg. in "The Origin of Megatron"). The writing and story seem boring to me as well in today's comics.
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Re: Is G1 the best?

Postby ZeroWolf » Wed Aug 20, 2014 7:09 am

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If you like that style have you tried looking at the new GI Joe v transformers series?

Also modern comics I feel it comes down to the artists styles, some are far better then the others not just at drawing/colouring but panel layout as well.
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Re: Is G1 the best?

Postby Duke of Luns » Wed Aug 20, 2014 5:10 pm

duragrip wrote:I've started reading the Marvel G1 comics and l like it better than modern Transformers comics. I feel like its clearer what's going on in each panel. The art style draws me into the panels and captures my imagination. Today's comics are so overdone I can't tell what's going on in each panel half the time (eg. in "The Origin of Megatron"). The writing and story seem boring to me as well in today's comics.


While I think the writing is a tad better in some comics of today(personal preference), I'm definitely going to agree the older style is preferable in some cases. While I'm not sure I can give specific examples, a lot of older comics did have kind of a wider angle view of the situations in panels, so it was easier to tell at a glance what was going on. Not a lot of close up or dynamic angles like they have today. I also find they packed a LOT more content into each issue than some modern comics.

Sabrblade wrote:[\The first mini-series is the "G.I. Joe and the Transformers" crossover


I'm not so sure that mini-series is all that essential personally. I also didn't think it was a great mini-series for a variety of reasons.
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Re: Is G1 the best?

Postby Sabrblade » Wed Aug 20, 2014 11:01 pm

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Duke of Luns wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:[\The first mini-series is the "G.I. Joe and the Transformers" crossover


I'm not so sure that mini-series is all that essential personally. I also didn't think it was a great mini-series for a variety of reasons.
While I didn't like it either, it does count as part of the main comic series for reasons I don't wish to spoiler for duragrip (so I'll take it to PM).
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How was Megatron to Galvatron an upgrade?

Postby duragrip » Sun Aug 24, 2014 5:19 pm

Isn't Megatron's mounted arm fusion cannon more powerful than his gun mode?

It doesn't make sense that he would transform into something less powerful.

Now, is Galvatron's laser cannon mode more powerful than Megatron's fusion cannon. Why would Unicorn downgrade Megatron's fusion cannon to a laser cannon?

Isn't a fusion cannon more powerful than a laser cannon?
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Re: Is G1 the best?

Postby ZeroWolf » Mon Aug 25, 2014 2:59 am

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Considering the strength of some of the weapons in G1 I always thought the names of the guns sounded fancier then what they actually were.
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Shockwave vs. Megatron

Postby duragrip » Mon Aug 25, 2014 12:01 pm

How does Megatron take back leadership of the Deceptions from Shockwave in the Marvel G1 comics?

And who is more powerful between the two?
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Re: Shockwave vs. Megatron

Postby Sabrblade » Mon Aug 25, 2014 12:10 pm

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duragrip wrote:How does Megatron take back leadership of the Deceptions from Shockwave in the Marvel G1 comics?

And who is more powerful between the two?
Keep on reading. Their power struggles in Marvel G1 are legendary.
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Re: Is G1 the best?

Postby ZeroWolf » Mon Aug 25, 2014 12:29 pm

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Indeed, to tell you what happens between those two would spoil parts of the storyline. If you don't mind me asking, where are you up to in the comics duragrip?
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Re: Is G1 the best?

Postby duragrip » Mon Aug 25, 2014 5:00 pm

I'm at the part where Shockwave gets reactivated by the drone and shows up out of nowhere to take out all the Autobots with one shot in his ray gun mode.

The reason he seems more powerful than Megatron is that Shockwave does not seem to require another Decepticon to hold him in his gun mode in order for him to fire.

Doesn't Megatron require Soundwave or Starscream to hold and fire him in his gun mode?

Also, Shockwave can fly in his gun mode. I think Megatron has to board one of his seeker jets when he transforms into gun mode.

Right now my impression is that Shockwave has more power than Megatron, but I know in the end Megatron is the leader of the Decepticons.

I'm just curious how he beats Shockwave?
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Re: Is G1 the best?

Postby Sabrblade » Mon Aug 25, 2014 5:06 pm

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Well, keep reading to find out. We're not going to spoil it for you since that would ruin the fun of reading the story for you.

Also, Shockwave could fly and fire himself in gun mode in the cartoon as well.

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Re: Is G1 the best?

Postby ZeroWolf » Mon Aug 25, 2014 5:31 pm

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Ahh so you're still quite early in then. You have a good ride ahead of you :)
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Re: Is G1 the best?

Postby duragrip » Thu Aug 28, 2014 7:29 pm

I really liked Computron in "Grimlock's New Brain" because he reminded me of Omega Supreme.

He only plays a major role in one other episode "Money is Everything".

I don't think Computron appears in the G1 Marvel Comics.

Is there any other media he is featured in, so I could get to know the character better? Or is Computron a dud G1 gestalt that never got much love?
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Re: Is G1 the best?

Postby Sabrblade » Thu Aug 28, 2014 7:35 pm

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duragrip wrote:I don't think Computron appears in the G1 Marvel Comics.
Yes he does. Much much later in its run, though.

duragrip wrote:Is there any other media he is featured in, so I could get to know the character better? Or is Computron a dud G1 gestalt that never got much love?
The Japanese Transformers: The Headmasters cartoon used him for a lot of gestalt fights.

The individual Technobots have also made some appearances in IDW's G1 comics, but they never formed Computron in that series since they aren't (yet) combiners in that version.
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Re: Is G1 the best?

Postby duragrip » Fri Aug 29, 2014 2:57 pm

I got a hold of G1 Marvel Headmasters #3. I've read the first few pages and Computron already kicked Abominus' ass. Is there any point in reading further for more Computron being a bad-ass. Or is that the best of Computron in that comic.

Also, I skipped G1 Transformers #3 because I wanted to get to the Shockwave comic in #4. Is #3 worth reading; I'm wondering why and how Spider-Man shows up. It seems kind of silly.

As you can see l like to pick and choose, get to the characters I like and watch them in action. Is that okay, or does that make me a cherry-picker?
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