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Re: Is the '86 Movie over-represented?

Postby Tresob » Fri Dec 28, 2012 1:22 pm

My gripe regarding excessive allusion is that it threatens to cheapen the value of the original and might, in the end, undermine the experience of the new.

I have the same concern with the Clone Wars, which has, at some point, recycled just about the entire script of all six movies. Actually, someone should make a video recreating the films by splicing together quotes from the Clone Wars...

This is an issue for kids' franchises mainly because the allusion is most likely to be the first time the primary audience encounters the reference. That audience won't catch the allusion until they see the source material. This means that the source material, on first watching, might paradoxically feel more derivative than the alluding media. But once the viewer realizes that the witty quip in the allusion was lifted from the source, it might spoil what had seemed like wit.

I'm certainly not saying allusions should never be made. Alluding to sources outside of the franchise can make the franchise richer, and the "easter egg" effect does have value for adult audiences.

But there does come a point when internal allusions start seeming cheap, like the writers are just cut-and-pasting scripts together.

I'd also like to distinguish between this kind of allusion and an in-joke or a callback. The problem with this kind of allusion is that it always comes off as being the first time the quote or scene is being used in this particular iteration of the franchise. That's different from a callback allusion to previous events or phrases within the current series.

Just my two-cents.
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Re: Is the '86 Movie over-represented?

Postby Noideaforaname » Fri Dec 28, 2012 2:06 pm

References should be fun, not formality. Prime and, to a greater extent, WfC/FoC are definitely making it more of a formality at this point -- every bout between OP and Megs starts with "One shall stand...", anytime a side is at a disadvantage it's their "darkest hour", Rumble only speaks in quotes, etc..
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Re: Is the '86 Movie over-represented?

Postby d_sel1 » Fri Dec 28, 2012 3:51 pm

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How about this for a change up, how many times did G1 (or other continuitees) reference something else.

Examples:
Gambler's Paradise- The city of Sheol is a reference to the underworld.

BOT (yes I referenced BOT)- The two punks Rowan and Martin were named after the host of a 60's skit comedy show which even had Richard Nixon as a guest star (which was weird because its politics were named 60's left?)
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Re: Is the '86 Movie over-represented?

Postby Sinnertwin » Sun Jan 13, 2013 5:10 am

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Prime really needs a new scriptwriter. I can see Megatron just standing there "just say your line already, Prime, so we can fight and go home for some cold energon"
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Re: Is the '86 Movie over-represented?

Postby No One in Particular » Sun Jan 13, 2013 10:34 am

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Thr writers just need to pick a few new ones. We wouldn't be tired of One Shall Stand if we didn't hear it as often. And phrases like "Tinfoil Turkey" made me cringe even back in the day, so none of those, please.
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Re: Is the '86 Movie over-represented?

Postby Shadowman » Sun Jan 13, 2013 1:36 pm

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d_sel1 wrote:How about this for a change up, how many times did G1 (or other continuitees) reference something else.


Oh that do that too. Fowler quoting Star Wars almost word-for-word, the kids are shown defacing conspiracy sites with lolcats, (Including Fowler shouting the original "I can haz cheezeburger!") there's an Energon mine named after a David Bowie song. Tons of references to other stuff.
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