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MINDVVIPE wrote:Thats seriously lame. Sure Cybertron looked different a bunch, but hell even the oldschool 80s renditions were more complicated and creative than this. With all the movies over complication of robot designs, they decided to crap out on the one place its warranted. Movies just got so much wrong, its insane.

Clearly you an I have very different definitions of "complicated." For instance, a massive multilayer series of netting of variable sized is complicated to me. A planet where half of the surface is perfectly flat and smooth and the rest is a bunch of random city-like structures, not nearly as complicated.

Hotrodimust wrote:I thank you for giving me my 7 scuckles of the day and I totally agree with you the first 2 pics are cybertron not the bees hive

So what are the pictures I posted of? Because they didn't look anything like the two he posted.

[quote="Shadowman"]
Clearly you an I have very different definitions of "complicated." For instance, a massive multilayer series of netting of variable sized is complicated to me. A planet where half of the surface is perfectly flat and smooth and the rest is a bunch of random city-like structures, not nearly as complicated.

Lets make this simple. Symmetry means its simpler, asymmetry helps making it complicated. If it were a cg model, the texture would be a boring tiled one. A perfectly flat surface that has a unique size and shape, and is scattered in what would appear as random placements, plus the multple levels of depth from the surfaces, that aren't really fully flat, but just seem that way from far, and add the recesses that show through the cracks, and the crazy almost random connections of pathways and lower level turbines and buildings. Ya, thats complicted. An exact same angle that is seen all over an entire planet that had its roots from something living and not built as per design, is boring and simple and uncreative. The netting you mention is only changing in size and level. Thats the most boring look when compared to any other rendition of cybertron who had that, PLUS all the random other stuff like towers and so on and so forth.

Shadowman wrote:

MINDVVIPE wrote:Thats seriously lame. Sure Cybertron looked different a bunch, but hell even the oldschool 80s renditions were more complicated and creative than this. With all the movies over complication of robot designs, they decided to crap out on the one place its warranted. Movies just got so much wrong, its insane.

Clearly you an I have very different definitions of "complicated." For instance, a massive multilayer series of netting of variable sized is complicated to me. A planet where half of the surface is perfectly flat and smooth and the rest is a bunch of random city-like structures, not nearly as complicated.

Hotrodimust wrote:I thank you for giving me my 7 scuckles of the day and I totally agree with you the first 2 pics are cybertron not the bees hive

So what are the pictures I posted of? Because they didn't look anything like the two he posted.

The 2 of cybertron then a boxes of honey comes who ever posted that it was great

Well, that's your opinion, sure. I happen to think this is vastly more complicated than any other version of Cybertron. Much more detail while at the same time the deeper levels still appear coherent, not simply random details, giving the planet the image of a massive series of net-like pathways and passages right down to the planet's core.

The whole design makes a ton of sense when you really think about it. It's randomized, but uniform at the same time, reflecting the inhabitants (Robots, which are famously logic-fueled) while the honey-comb appearance reflects their somewhat insectoid designs. It all comes together; a big hive, as built by robot bugs.

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GEEWUN wrote:Cybertron should look like this

So...what, you just started when WfC rolled around or something? You know, Cybertron never, ever looks the same twice, right?

G1 cartoon
G1 Marvel Comics
Beast Wars
Beast Machines
Beast Machines again
RID
Dreamwave
Armada
Energon
Cybertron...or Galaxy Force if you don't want this to be too confusing
IDW
Universe
'07 movie
Animated
War for Cybertron
Prime (The ONLY instance if Cybertron's design remaining the same between series)

BeastProwl wrote:Funny thing is, Cybertron looked different in the first film.

We never really saw Cybertron in the first movie, just that bit of promotional material.

I love how everyone is ignoring this post, aka the proof that Cybertron has no set "look," because it invalidates their childish whining. We got some real argumentative winners on this forum, I tell you what.

Shadowman wrote:Well, that's your opinion, sure. I happen to think this is vastly more complicated than any other version of Cybertron. Much more detail while at the same time the deeper levels still appear coherent, not simply random details, giving the planet the image of a massive series of net-like pathways and passages right down to the planet's core.

The whole design makes a ton of sense when you really think about it. It's randomized, but uniform at the same time, reflecting the inhabitants (Robots, which are famously logic-fueled) while the honey-comb appearance reflects their somewhat insectoid designs. It all comes together; a big hive, as built by robot bugs.

But they are not bugs and other designs of cybertron were multi leveled. Cybertron has buildings on it like in iacon I don't see buildings in the honey comb

whos whining? you guys are pretty sad how you get so riled up just because someone like me decides to talk about how something sucks compared to something that doesn't. Its not like I'm trying to convince you all, just doing what forums were meant for; discussion.
Obviously Cybertron has no "set" look, its always been fairly random in how each artists decides a world of machines would look. As for the whole bee hive thing, it makes them much less like a city, and more like insects. These aren't the machines from the matrix. And hell, even their "world" that was built in the animatrix wasn't uniform in any way. Logic doesn't mean it has to look tiled. The hive look just seems retarded when all the robots think differently and make things differently. Its not like the planet hadn't undergone changes over its looonng life span. Finally, something created naturally would tend to look random (as if cybertron was the actual body of Primus), and even though you might say that hives are a naturally occuring structure, it still just ends up doing less to aid the credibility of Cybertronians being a natural offspring of the planet, but leans more towards them being built in an assembly line (the G1 backstory, I know)

Hotrodimust wrote:But they are not bugs

Insectoid. It means "bug-like," and yeah, they do look buglike. Starscream is the biggest example, Decepticon ships in DOTM also had hulls that looked like a beetle's carapace. Their young are shown in clusters of translucent eggs on stalks, even.

Hotrodimust wrote:and other designs of cybertron were multi leveled.

Well, sort of. They had some depths but you couldn't really see or tell what was down there.

Hotrodimust wrote:Cybertron has buildings on it like in iacon I don't see buildings in the honey comb

Which Cybertron? We've been over this, the design changes in every series, sometimes the design changes within the series itself, so you have to be specific. Still, out of all the designs I've seen, (And posted!) only some of them have random details that kinda-sorta look like buildings. The rest look like metal balls with random generic detailing.

I guess I forgot we were talking about the movie Cybertron. Who even cares, the movies are a joke. The only Cybertron that matters to me is the one seen in WFC, the comics, G1, pretty much anything but the movies. But ya, since they are so overly buglike in the movies, the hive can work, even though I still think it reaks of uncreativity.

Shadowman wrote:

Hotrodimust wrote:But they are not bugs

Insectoid. It means "bug-like," and yeah, they do look buglike. Starscream is the biggest example, Decepticon ships in DOTM also had hulls that looked like a beetle's carapace. Their young are shown in clusters of translucent eggs on stalks, even.

Hotrodimust wrote:and other designs of cybertron were multi leveled.

Well, sort of. They had some depths but you couldn't really see or tell what was down there.

Hotrodimust wrote:Cybertron has buildings on it like in iacon I don't see buildings in the honey comb

Which Cybertron? We've been over this, the design changes in every series, sometimes the design changes within the series itself, so you have to be specific. Still, out of all the designs I've seen, (And posted!) only some of them have random details that kinda-sorta look like buildings. The rest look like metal balls with random generic detailing.

Ya in the movies they do kinda look like bugs I'll give you that. And none of the cybertrons can you actually see down their but if you look at some of the drawings from Wic they do show a lot of multi layered civilization and almost every pic of cybertron has a large looking city on it and a part that looks like a hole and I said most not all. But I think the best look at the landscape would be thru the video games and it's illustrations