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MINDVVIPE wrote:

Capt.Failure wrote: To try and say it doesn't count as legitimate because it's from the movies is the height of fallacious logic.

No one said that. What I was saying is that the movies suck, and so its no surprise to me that their idea of Cybertron sucks, as it seems like a downgrade, just like a bunch of other aspects of the movie.

Your not gonna get your point across because obviously these to are the sharpest tools in the shed

MINDVVIPE wrote:

Capt.Failure wrote: To try and say it doesn't count as legitimate because it's from the movies is the height of fallacious logic.

No one said that. What I was saying is that the movies suck, and so its no surprise to me that their idea of Cybertron sucks, as it seems like a downgrade, just like a bunch of other aspects of the movie in my opinion.

Fixed that for you. You'll find people more agreeable when you don't state opinions as facts.

Brav-o
Its funny coz I even commented about what you just did a few posts back.

Hey, in my opinion, I don't consider that my opinion, its a fact.
This should be obvious from the get-go. I'm not looking for agreeability. I'm just here to call it like I sees it.

MINDVVIPE wrote:Brav-o
Its funny coz I even commented about what you just did a few posts back.

Hey, in my opinion, I don't consider that my opinion, its a fact.

I'm sure the little world you live in were you're important is very nice. Now leave the thread so adults can talk.

Capt.Failure wrote:

MINDVVIPE wrote:Brav-o
Its funny coz I even commented about what you just did a few posts back.

Hey, in my opinion, I don't consider that my opinion, its a fact.

I'm sure the little world you live in were you're important is very nice. Now leave the thread so adults can talk. [/
And you must be the king of the castle in yours have a nice night adults I'm sure we will repeat this tomorrow as soon as some says anything about what they think in their opinion

Sabrblade wrote:

Hotrodimust wrote:So but you are using the term die hard fan saying u are more of a fan than a casual fan sounds like just another way to say true fan bro u argue until u can feel like ur right at everything that is said have a nice night get over it true fan

That's different. A "die-hard fan" is a fan who feels the need to really invest him/herself in their his/her interest, wanting to know more and more about it so he/she can experience as much as possible. Whereas a "casual fan" is a fan who does not feel this need and that it perfectly acceptable.

A "true fan", like shadowman said, invokes a connotation of superiority in which one fan who considers him/herself a "true fan" condemns anyone whom he/she deems unworthy of being a fan.

"Die-hard fans" and "casual fans" are just as much fans as each other. The only difference between each is how invested in the interest each is. A casual fan can be someone who only watches the current cartoon (rather than all of them), or only collect the few toys they like (rather than as many as possible), or whatever else. Doesn't make them any less fans. While a die-hard fan may try to see and own everything. But both are still fans. Just different kinds of fans.

How does that make sense I don't think I'm better than anyone lol WOW no people are telling me what I think of my self doesn't get better than this. So I'm just gonna say I'm a die hard fan so no one thinks that I think that I'm better than everyone else. GOD I wish I was a gobot fan they don't have these problems. BEING TOLD WHAT YOU THINK (TRANSFOMER FAN PROBLEMS) lets see who gets that

Sabrblade wrote:

Hotrodimust wrote:How does that make sense I don't think I'm better than anyone lol WOW no people are telling me what I think of my self doesn't get better than this. So I'm just gonna say I'm a die hard fan so no one thinks that I think that I'm better than everyone else. GOD I wish I was a gobot fan they don't have these problems. BEING TOLD WHAT YOU THINK (TRANSFOMER FAN PROBLEMS) lets see who gets that

I'm not calling YOU a "true fan", I'm just describing what one is. You strike me as a "fan", or even a "die-hard fan", which is perfectly fine.

Ok I feel better now lol not to start another argument about it but I was just looking at the pictures of all the cybertrons and the movie one looks like when you peel the leather off a baseball all the layer yarn or what ever it is. And I'm just saying that's what I kinda see not that it is I think we need to demand a virtual tour of cybertron from hasbro so we can put this to rest because I feel sorry for the sucker who is still on page 2 of the topic and has to read all this to catch up lol

MINDVVIPE wrote:Hey, in my opinion, I don't consider that my opinion, its a fact.

Absolutely not. I can't say you're wrong for not liking Cybertron's design in DOTM. But now you're actually trying to pass your opinions off as fact, that's wrong. Your opinion is, ultimately, meaningless here; you don't get to decide what is fact or not.

Shadowman wrote:

MINDVVIPE wrote:Hey, in my opinion, I don't consider that my opinion, its a fact.

Absolutely not. I can't say you're wrong for not liking Cybertron's design in DOTM. But now you're actually trying to pass your opinions off as fact, that's wrong. Your opinion is, ultimately, meaningless here; you don't get to decide what is fact or not.

Oy vey.
Dude you missed what I was trying to say. I was making the point that my opinion is fact TO ME, just because it is my opinion. I was just saying it to mess with buddy since he was going off about opinion this and opinion that. It was a joke given how everyones opinion sort of is a fact for them, and so on. It wasn't meant to be taken seriously, it was just a random little wierd way of thinking about ****.

I like Cybertron








Haters gonna hate :p

I have some of the Walmart dotm art they hung up. Like the one with prime pointing his finger and it says dotm under him and I have the picture of cybertron. I got it because dotm was the only movie line of toys I collected idk why but I like the dotm figures that arnt repaints of rotf figures because I don't like them and the first movies toys are crap IMO. I also have a 6 foot cardboard cut out of prime from fye when the dotm blu ray released they just gave it to me. Now that I think about it I get a lot of things for free lol

I know I am late to the party... but I am gonna point something out.

The hexagonal mesh you all are seeing is NOT the planets surface. It is actually a complex shielding unit, artificial atmosphere if you will, that is designed to not only protect the planets surface from meteors and other general space junk and is also design to project a artificial skyline on the inside of the dome. Mostly for cosmetic reasons, but perhaps also to provide "sunlight", a sense of time, and generally keep up moral. This is why in the flashbacks and such in the comics there is actually a skyline, but there isn't post energy crisis.

Also something to consider is that the space bridge probably was designed to transport the outer layers before the rest of the planet. So if the rumors about them going back to cybertron in TF4 are real, then it might have a more traditional look now, considering the ending of DOTM. As it had not fully "transported" the planet, so if it started on the outter layer then went inward, the implosion was only of the shielding grid, meaning you can now see the inner citys and such from space.

As far as the cybertron shown in TF1, its quite possible that this was pre-developed cybertron. You know before the transformers started building the major structures on the planet.

That's an interesting idea. I had thought it was the exact opposite though, and that the hexagons were actually the "skeleton" of the planet from where it had been collapsing.