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crazyjeffy wrote:

Volrathicus Baenimus wrote:

Dagon wrote:

Volrathicus Baenimus wrote:

Dagon wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Dagon wrote:I'm not a fan of anything that is overly reliant on humans, comic or show wise.

That's too bad. You may be put off by Masterforce, since it's a very human-centric show. But, it's still arguably the greatest of all the Japanese-made TF cartoons.

More for you, I guess. I know it's been said to death and back, and criticized for being somehow "wrong," but I just figure that any story should focus on its main characters, and if the story is called "Transformers," they ought to be the focus. I am giving the new IDW series' a shot because they seem devoid of organics, and while people try to tell me that I can't honestly enjoy Stormbringer because it's apparently depressing and boring without humans, I think that's my favorite mini-series I guess I'd call it. I am apparently gifted with amazing powers by virtue of being able to identify with characters that are not human despite being told that I can't do that, thus the need for humans.
I've always heard good things about Masterforce, and I'd give it a chance and watch it, as I'm far from a monster. But chances are good that unless the human characters just really grab my interest I won't put up with it just to be able to say I've seen it.

I respect your opinon, and agree the Transformers are the whole point.

But as a counterpoint, the whole point of transformers is that they transform to disguise themselves while on our planet. Never got the point of transformers off the planet because there didn't really seem to be any need for them to, well, transform :p I like my transformers based on earth, secretly battling, disguising themselves are earth machines. And with being on earth comes humans. So while they aren't the point of the show and rarely the best characters, they are a necessary part of the formula for me.

I understand that, and you're right about humans coming with the territory, as it were. But, Transformers do learn to transform before they came to earth, and by that all I'm saying is that they don't do it in response to being on earth, but it's some ability they bring with them, so it serves a purpose even when there's no need to hide. I understand what you're saying as well, but for me I reckon it's more about the character of the robot characters than the up-front action.

But hey, you know, whatever makes you happy, right? Life's too short to not be happy.

Oh totally, this is nothing to actually get upset over. :p

I just don't see what purpose transforming serves beyond disguise. Beyond combiners, if they have the equipment to do it in alt-mode, they should be able to do it in robot mode.

I think it's like the difference between running and walking. Humans can run to get somewhere faster, but they can get to the same destination by walking (with much less effort) so why bother running? I think that might be a good analogy to use in this case. Or not. Call me crazy.

Dagon wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Dagon wrote:I'm not a fan of anything that is overly reliant on humans, comic or show wise.

That's too bad. You may be put off by Masterforce, since it's a very human-centric show. But, it's still arguably the greatest of all the Japanese-made TF cartoons.

More for you, I guess. I know it's been said to death and back, and criticized for being somehow "wrong," but I just figure that any story should focus on its main characters, and if the story is called "Transformers," they ought to be the focus.

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I've always heard good things about Masterforce, and I'd give it a chance and watch it, as I'm far from a monster. But chances are good that unless the human characters just really grab my interest I won't put up with it just to be able to say I've seen it.

Slashercon wrote:I am a VERY open minded Tranfans (Straight up fan of the Movies, Animated, Prime, Rescue Bots, the Beast Era, and G1, but if I had to say my least favorite series, I would say either RID or Energon. When it comes TF series being in English, these are the only two where I couldn't continue watching. (Armada was barely tolerable for me.)

Royal Lantern wrote:I would have to go with Animated. I don't really know it that well. I am getting some of the digest comics to check out more about it, but the overall look is not to my liking. I know there are other TF versions out there that I probably don't even know about, but Animated is the one I at least have seen something of to comment on it.

Royal Lantern wrote:Thanks Sabrblade. I'll have to check out the cartoon. It seems like a lot of cartoons that came out in the 90s and even today start out rough and then find their footing as they go along.

Sabrblade wrote:

Royal Lantern wrote:Thanks Sabrblade. I'll have to check out the cartoon. It seems like a lot of cartoons that came out in the 90s and even today start out rough and then find their footing as they go along.

With Animated, most of its fans were hooked by the first episode (since it was actually the first three episodes edited together as a TV movie special). What got most people captivated by it were its fan nods to past series, its voice acting, its Decepticons being super powerful juggernauts, its Optimus not being a boring Mr. Perfect, and more.