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I'm not a fan of anything that is overly reliant on humans, comic or show wise. I didn't care for the Infiltration arc in the comics, and I'm not a fan of the movieverse or Animated. I wasn't liking Prime too much at first, but have caught a few shows here and there and its growing on me. And the normal answer of Energon...terrible show.

Beast Machines and TF Energon. TF Primes story is good but I don't like how everything designed after the Bay movies.

Dagon wrote:I'm not a fan of anything that is overly reliant on humans, comic or show wise.

That's too bad. You may be put off by Masterforce, since it's a very human-centric show. But, it's still arguably the greatest of all the Japanese-made TF cartoons.

Sabrblade wrote:

Dagon wrote:I'm not a fan of anything that is overly reliant on humans, comic or show wise.

That's too bad. You may be put off by Masterforce, since it's a very human-centric show. But, it's still arguably the greatest of all the Japanese-made TF cartoons.

More for you, I guess. I know it's been said to death and back, and criticized for being somehow "wrong," but I just figure that any story should focus on its main characters, and if the story is called "Transformers," they ought to be the focus. I am giving the new IDW series' a shot because they seem devoid of organics, and while people try to tell me that I can't honestly enjoy Stormbringer because it's apparently depressing and boring without humans, I think that's my favorite mini-series I guess I'd call it. I am apparently gifted with amazing powers by virtue of being able to identify with characters that are not human despite being told that I can't do that, thus the need for humans.
I've always heard good things about Masterforce, and I'd give it a chance and watch it, as I'm far from a monster. But chances are good that unless the human characters just really grab my interest I won't put up with it just to be able to say I've seen it.

Dagon wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Dagon wrote:I'm not a fan of anything that is overly reliant on humans, comic or show wise.

That's too bad. You may be put off by Masterforce, since it's a very human-centric show. But, it's still arguably the greatest of all the Japanese-made TF cartoons.

More for you, I guess. I know it's been said to death and back, and criticized for being somehow "wrong," but I just figure that any story should focus on its main characters, and if the story is called "Transformers," they ought to be the focus. I am giving the new IDW series' a shot because they seem devoid of organics, and while people try to tell me that I can't honestly enjoy Stormbringer because it's apparently depressing and boring without humans, I think that's my favorite mini-series I guess I'd call it. I am apparently gifted with amazing powers by virtue of being able to identify with characters that are not human despite being told that I can't do that, thus the need for humans.
I've always heard good things about Masterforce, and I'd give it a chance and watch it, as I'm far from a monster. But chances are good that unless the human characters just really grab my interest I won't put up with it just to be able to say I've seen it.

I respect your opinon, and agree the Transformers are the whole point.

But as a counterpoint, the whole point of transformers is that they transform to disguise themselves while on our planet. Never got the point of transformers off the planet because there didn't really seem to be any need for them to, well, transform :p I like my transformers based on earth, secretly battling, disguising themselves are earth machines. And with being on earth comes humans. So while they aren't the point of the show and rarely the best characters, they are a necessary part of the formula for me.

Volrathicus Baenimus wrote:

Dagon wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Dagon wrote:I'm not a fan of anything that is overly reliant on humans, comic or show wise.

That's too bad. You may be put off by Masterforce, since it's a very human-centric show. But, it's still arguably the greatest of all the Japanese-made TF cartoons.

More for you, I guess. I know it's been said to death and back, and criticized for being somehow "wrong," but I just figure that any story should focus on its main characters, and if the story is called "Transformers," they ought to be the focus. I am giving the new IDW series' a shot because they seem devoid of organics, and while people try to tell me that I can't honestly enjoy Stormbringer because it's apparently depressing and boring without humans, I think that's my favorite mini-series I guess I'd call it. I am apparently gifted with amazing powers by virtue of being able to identify with characters that are not human despite being told that I can't do that, thus the need for humans.
I've always heard good things about Masterforce, and I'd give it a chance and watch it, as I'm far from a monster. But chances are good that unless the human characters just really grab my interest I won't put up with it just to be able to say I've seen it.

I respect your opinon, and agree the Transformers are the whole point.

But as a counterpoint, the whole point of transformers is that they transform to disguise themselves while on our planet. Never got the point of transformers off the planet because there didn't really seem to be any need for them to, well, transform :p I like my transformers based on earth, secretly battling, disguising themselves are earth machines. And with being on earth comes humans. So while they aren't the point of the show and rarely the best characters, they are a necessary part of the formula for me.

I understand that, and you're right about humans coming with the territory, as it were. But, Transformers do learn to transform before they came to earth, and by that all I'm saying is that they don't do it in response to being on earth, but it's some ability they bring with them, so it serves a purpose even when there's no need to hide. I understand what you're saying as well, but for me I reckon it's more about the character of the robot characters than the up-front action.

But hey, you know, whatever makes you happy, right? Life's too short to not be happy.

Dagon wrote:

Volrathicus Baenimus wrote:

Dagon wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Dagon wrote:I'm not a fan of anything that is overly reliant on humans, comic or show wise.

That's too bad. You may be put off by Masterforce, since it's a very human-centric show. But, it's still arguably the greatest of all the Japanese-made TF cartoons.

More for you, I guess. I know it's been said to death and back, and criticized for being somehow "wrong," but I just figure that any story should focus on its main characters, and if the story is called "Transformers," they ought to be the focus. I am giving the new IDW series' a shot because they seem devoid of organics, and while people try to tell me that I can't honestly enjoy Stormbringer because it's apparently depressing and boring without humans, I think that's my favorite mini-series I guess I'd call it. I am apparently gifted with amazing powers by virtue of being able to identify with characters that are not human despite being told that I can't do that, thus the need for humans.
I've always heard good things about Masterforce, and I'd give it a chance and watch it, as I'm far from a monster. But chances are good that unless the human characters just really grab my interest I won't put up with it just to be able to say I've seen it.

I respect your opinon, and agree the Transformers are the whole point.

But as a counterpoint, the whole point of transformers is that they transform to disguise themselves while on our planet. Never got the point of transformers off the planet because there didn't really seem to be any need for them to, well, transform :p I like my transformers based on earth, secretly battling, disguising themselves are earth machines. And with being on earth comes humans. So while they aren't the point of the show and rarely the best characters, they are a necessary part of the formula for me.

I understand that, and you're right about humans coming with the territory, as it were. But, Transformers do learn to transform before they came to earth, and by that all I'm saying is that they don't do it in response to being on earth, but it's some ability they bring with them, so it serves a purpose even when there's no need to hide. I understand what you're saying as well, but for me I reckon it's more about the character of the robot characters than the up-front action.

But hey, you know, whatever makes you happy, right? Life's too short to not be happy.

Oh totally, this is nothing to actually get upset over. :p

I just don't see what purpose transforming serves beyond disguise. Beyond combiners, if they have the equipment to do it in alt-mode, they should be able to do it in robot mode.

Volrathicus Baenimus wrote:

Dagon wrote:

Volrathicus Baenimus wrote:

Dagon wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Dagon wrote:I'm not a fan of anything that is overly reliant on humans, comic or show wise.

That's too bad. You may be put off by Masterforce, since it's a very human-centric show. But, it's still arguably the greatest of all the Japanese-made TF cartoons.

More for you, I guess. I know it's been said to death and back, and criticized for being somehow "wrong," but I just figure that any story should focus on its main characters, and if the story is called "Transformers," they ought to be the focus. I am giving the new IDW series' a shot because they seem devoid of organics, and while people try to tell me that I can't honestly enjoy Stormbringer because it's apparently depressing and boring without humans, I think that's my favorite mini-series I guess I'd call it. I am apparently gifted with amazing powers by virtue of being able to identify with characters that are not human despite being told that I can't do that, thus the need for humans.
I've always heard good things about Masterforce, and I'd give it a chance and watch it, as I'm far from a monster. But chances are good that unless the human characters just really grab my interest I won't put up with it just to be able to say I've seen it.

I respect your opinon, and agree the Transformers are the whole point.

But as a counterpoint, the whole point of transformers is that they transform to disguise themselves while on our planet. Never got the point of transformers off the planet because there didn't really seem to be any need for them to, well, transform :p I like my transformers based on earth, secretly battling, disguising themselves are earth machines. And with being on earth comes humans. So while they aren't the point of the show and rarely the best characters, they are a necessary part of the formula for me.

I understand that, and you're right about humans coming with the territory, as it were. But, Transformers do learn to transform before they came to earth, and by that all I'm saying is that they don't do it in response to being on earth, but it's some ability they bring with them, so it serves a purpose even when there's no need to hide. I understand what you're saying as well, but for me I reckon it's more about the character of the robot characters than the up-front action.

But hey, you know, whatever makes you happy, right? Life's too short to not be happy.

Oh totally, this is nothing to actually get upset over. :p

I just don't see what purpose transforming serves beyond disguise. Beyond combiners, if they have the equipment to do it in alt-mode, they should be able to do it in robot mode.

I think it's like the difference between running and walking. Humans can run to get somewhere faster, but they can get to the same destination by walking (with much less effort) so why bother running? I think that might be a good analogy to use in this case. Or not. Call me crazy.

Volrathicus Baenimus wrote:

Dagon wrote:

Volrathicus Baenimus wrote:

Dagon wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Dagon wrote:I'm not a fan of anything that is overly reliant on humans, comic or show wise.

That's too bad. You may be put off by Masterforce, since it's a very human-centric show. But, it's still arguably the greatest of all the Japanese-made TF cartoons.

More for you, I guess. I know it's been said to death and back, and criticized for being somehow "wrong," but I just figure that any story should focus on its main characters, and if the story is called "Transformers," they ought to be the focus. I am giving the new IDW series' a shot because they seem devoid of organics, and while people try to tell me that I can't honestly enjoy Stormbringer because it's apparently depressing and boring without humans, I think that's my favorite mini-series I guess I'd call it. I am apparently gifted with amazing powers by virtue of being able to identify with characters that are not human despite being told that I can't do that, thus the need for humans.
I've always heard good things about Masterforce, and I'd give it a chance and watch it, as I'm far from a monster. But chances are good that unless the human characters just really grab my interest I won't put up with it just to be able to say I've seen it.

I respect your opinon, and agree the Transformers are the whole point.

But as a counterpoint, the whole point of transformers is that they transform to disguise themselves while on our planet. Never got the point of transformers off the planet because there didn't really seem to be any need for them to, well, transform :p I like my transformers based on earth, secretly battling, disguising themselves are earth machines. And with being on earth comes humans. So while they aren't the point of the show and rarely the best characters, they are a necessary part of the formula for me.

I understand that, and you're right about humans coming with the territory, as it were. But, Transformers do learn to transform before they came to earth, and by that all I'm saying is that they don't do it in response to being on earth, but it's some ability they bring with them, so it serves a purpose even when there's no need to hide. I understand what you're saying as well, but for me I reckon it's more about the character of the robot characters than the up-front action.

But hey, you know, whatever makes you happy, right? Life's too short to not be happy.

Oh totally, this is nothing to actually get upset over. :p

I just don't see what purpose transforming serves beyond disguise. Beyond combiners, if they have the equipment to do it in alt-mode, they should be able to do it in robot mode.

CErtain vehicles could be more useful or effective in combat or to take advantage of a robots' latent abilities, like speed or whatnot. In my mind at least, it's kind of a question of why bother having tanks and APCs and stuff if all of your soldiers have legs.

RID hands down. At least Beast Machines was deep. RID is just dumb and does nothing for me.