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I'm not a fan of anything that is overly reliant on humans, comic or show wise. I didn't care for the Infiltration arc in the comics, and I'm not a fan of the movieverse or Animated. I wasn't liking Prime too much at first, but have caught a few shows here and there and its growing on me. And the normal answer of Energon...terrible show.

Beast Machines and TF Energon. TF Primes story is good but I don't like how everything designed after the Bay movies.

Dagon wrote:I'm not a fan of anything that is overly reliant on humans, comic or show wise.

That's too bad. You may be put off by Masterforce, since it's a very human-centric show. But, it's still arguably the greatest of all the Japanese-made TF cartoons.

Sabrblade wrote:

Dagon wrote:I'm not a fan of anything that is overly reliant on humans, comic or show wise.

That's too bad. You may be put off by Masterforce, since it's a very human-centric show. But, it's still arguably the greatest of all the Japanese-made TF cartoons.

More for you, I guess. I know it's been said to death and back, and criticized for being somehow "wrong," but I just figure that any story should focus on its main characters, and if the story is called "Transformers," they ought to be the focus. I am giving the new IDW series' a shot because they seem devoid of organics, and while people try to tell me that I can't honestly enjoy Stormbringer because it's apparently depressing and boring without humans, I think that's my favorite mini-series I guess I'd call it. I am apparently gifted with amazing powers by virtue of being able to identify with characters that are not human despite being told that I can't do that, thus the need for humans.
I've always heard good things about Masterforce, and I'd give it a chance and watch it, as I'm far from a monster. But chances are good that unless the human characters just really grab my interest I won't put up with it just to be able to say I've seen it.

Dagon wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Dagon wrote:I'm not a fan of anything that is overly reliant on humans, comic or show wise.

That's too bad. You may be put off by Masterforce, since it's a very human-centric show. But, it's still arguably the greatest of all the Japanese-made TF cartoons.

More for you, I guess. I know it's been said to death and back, and criticized for being somehow "wrong," but I just figure that any story should focus on its main characters, and if the story is called "Transformers," they ought to be the focus. I am giving the new IDW series' a shot because they seem devoid of organics, and while people try to tell me that I can't honestly enjoy Stormbringer because it's apparently depressing and boring without humans, I think that's my favorite mini-series I guess I'd call it. I am apparently gifted with amazing powers by virtue of being able to identify with characters that are not human despite being told that I can't do that, thus the need for humans.
I've always heard good things about Masterforce, and I'd give it a chance and watch it, as I'm far from a monster. But chances are good that unless the human characters just really grab my interest I won't put up with it just to be able to say I've seen it.

I respect your opinon, and agree the Transformers are the whole point.

But as a counterpoint, the whole point of transformers is that they transform to disguise themselves while on our planet. Never got the point of transformers off the planet because there didn't really seem to be any need for them to, well, transform :p I like my transformers based on earth, secretly battling, disguising themselves are earth machines. And with being on earth comes humans. So while they aren't the point of the show and rarely the best characters, they are a necessary part of the formula for me.

Volrathicus Baenimus wrote:

Dagon wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Dagon wrote:I'm not a fan of anything that is overly reliant on humans, comic or show wise.

That's too bad. You may be put off by Masterforce, since it's a very human-centric show. But, it's still arguably the greatest of all the Japanese-made TF cartoons.

More for you, I guess. I know it's been said to death and back, and criticized for being somehow "wrong," but I just figure that any story should focus on its main characters, and if the story is called "Transformers," they ought to be the focus. I am giving the new IDW series' a shot because they seem devoid of organics, and while people try to tell me that I can't honestly enjoy Stormbringer because it's apparently depressing and boring without humans, I think that's my favorite mini-series I guess I'd call it. I am apparently gifted with amazing powers by virtue of being able to identify with characters that are not human despite being told that I can't do that, thus the need for humans.
I've always heard good things about Masterforce, and I'd give it a chance and watch it, as I'm far from a monster. But chances are good that unless the human characters just really grab my interest I won't put up with it just to be able to say I've seen it.

I respect your opinon, and agree the Transformers are the whole point.

But as a counterpoint, the whole point of transformers is that they transform to disguise themselves while on our planet. Never got the point of transformers off the planet because there didn't really seem to be any need for them to, well, transform :p I like my transformers based on earth, secretly battling, disguising themselves are earth machines. And with being on earth comes humans. So while they aren't the point of the show and rarely the best characters, they are a necessary part of the formula for me.

I understand that, and you're right about humans coming with the territory, as it were. But, Transformers do learn to transform before they came to earth, and by that all I'm saying is that they don't do it in response to being on earth, but it's some ability they bring with them, so it serves a purpose even when there's no need to hide. I understand what you're saying as well, but for me I reckon it's more about the character of the robot characters than the up-front action.

But hey, you know, whatever makes you happy, right? Life's too short to not be happy.

Dagon wrote:

Volrathicus Baenimus wrote:

Dagon wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Dagon wrote:I'm not a fan of anything that is overly reliant on humans, comic or show wise.

That's too bad. You may be put off by Masterforce, since it's a very human-centric show. But, it's still arguably the greatest of all the Japanese-made TF cartoons.

More for you, I guess. I know it's been said to death and back, and criticized for being somehow "wrong," but I just figure that any story should focus on its main characters, and if the story is called "Transformers," they ought to be the focus. I am giving the new IDW series' a shot because they seem devoid of organics, and while people try to tell me that I can't honestly enjoy Stormbringer because it's apparently depressing and boring without humans, I think that's my favorite mini-series I guess I'd call it. I am apparently gifted with amazing powers by virtue of being able to identify with characters that are not human despite being told that I can't do that, thus the need for humans.
I've always heard good things about Masterforce, and I'd give it a chance and watch it, as I'm far from a monster. But chances are good that unless the human characters just really grab my interest I won't put up with it just to be able to say I've seen it.

I respect your opinon, and agree the Transformers are the whole point.

But as a counterpoint, the whole point of transformers is that they transform to disguise themselves while on our planet. Never got the point of transformers off the planet because there didn't really seem to be any need for them to, well, transform :p I like my transformers based on earth, secretly battling, disguising themselves are earth machines. And with being on earth comes humans. So while they aren't the point of the show and rarely the best characters, they are a necessary part of the formula for me.

I understand that, and you're right about humans coming with the territory, as it were. But, Transformers do learn to transform before they came to earth, and by that all I'm saying is that they don't do it in response to being on earth, but it's some ability they bring with them, so it serves a purpose even when there's no need to hide. I understand what you're saying as well, but for me I reckon it's more about the character of the robot characters than the up-front action.

But hey, you know, whatever makes you happy, right? Life's too short to not be happy.

Oh totally, this is nothing to actually get upset over. :p

I just don't see what purpose transforming serves beyond disguise. Beyond combiners, if they have the equipment to do it in alt-mode, they should be able to do it in robot mode.

Volrathicus Baenimus wrote:

Dagon wrote:

Volrathicus Baenimus wrote:

Dagon wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Dagon wrote:I'm not a fan of anything that is overly reliant on humans, comic or show wise.

That's too bad. You may be put off by Masterforce, since it's a very human-centric show. But, it's still arguably the greatest of all the Japanese-made TF cartoons.

More for you, I guess. I know it's been said to death and back, and criticized for being somehow "wrong," but I just figure that any story should focus on its main characters, and if the story is called "Transformers," they ought to be the focus. I am giving the new IDW series' a shot because they seem devoid of organics, and while people try to tell me that I can't honestly enjoy Stormbringer because it's apparently depressing and boring without humans, I think that's my favorite mini-series I guess I'd call it. I am apparently gifted with amazing powers by virtue of being able to identify with characters that are not human despite being told that I can't do that, thus the need for humans.
I've always heard good things about Masterforce, and I'd give it a chance and watch it, as I'm far from a monster. But chances are good that unless the human characters just really grab my interest I won't put up with it just to be able to say I've seen it.

I respect your opinon, and agree the Transformers are the whole point.

But as a counterpoint, the whole point of transformers is that they transform to disguise themselves while on our planet. Never got the point of transformers off the planet because there didn't really seem to be any need for them to, well, transform :p I like my transformers based on earth, secretly battling, disguising themselves are earth machines. And with being on earth comes humans. So while they aren't the point of the show and rarely the best characters, they are a necessary part of the formula for me.

I understand that, and you're right about humans coming with the territory, as it were. But, Transformers do learn to transform before they came to earth, and by that all I'm saying is that they don't do it in response to being on earth, but it's some ability they bring with them, so it serves a purpose even when there's no need to hide. I understand what you're saying as well, but for me I reckon it's more about the character of the robot characters than the up-front action.

But hey, you know, whatever makes you happy, right? Life's too short to not be happy.

Oh totally, this is nothing to actually get upset over. :p

I just don't see what purpose transforming serves beyond disguise. Beyond combiners, if they have the equipment to do it in alt-mode, they should be able to do it in robot mode.

I think it's like the difference between running and walking. Humans can run to get somewhere faster, but they can get to the same destination by walking (with much less effort) so why bother running? I think that might be a good analogy to use in this case. Or not. Call me crazy.

Volrathicus Baenimus wrote:

Dagon wrote:

Volrathicus Baenimus wrote:

Dagon wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Dagon wrote:I'm not a fan of anything that is overly reliant on humans, comic or show wise.

That's too bad. You may be put off by Masterforce, since it's a very human-centric show. But, it's still arguably the greatest of all the Japanese-made TF cartoons.

More for you, I guess. I know it's been said to death and back, and criticized for being somehow "wrong," but I just figure that any story should focus on its main characters, and if the story is called "Transformers," they ought to be the focus. I am giving the new IDW series' a shot because they seem devoid of organics, and while people try to tell me that I can't honestly enjoy Stormbringer because it's apparently depressing and boring without humans, I think that's my favorite mini-series I guess I'd call it. I am apparently gifted with amazing powers by virtue of being able to identify with characters that are not human despite being told that I can't do that, thus the need for humans.
I've always heard good things about Masterforce, and I'd give it a chance and watch it, as I'm far from a monster. But chances are good that unless the human characters just really grab my interest I won't put up with it just to be able to say I've seen it.

I respect your opinon, and agree the Transformers are the whole point.

But as a counterpoint, the whole point of transformers is that they transform to disguise themselves while on our planet. Never got the point of transformers off the planet because there didn't really seem to be any need for them to, well, transform :p I like my transformers based on earth, secretly battling, disguising themselves are earth machines. And with being on earth comes humans. So while they aren't the point of the show and rarely the best characters, they are a necessary part of the formula for me.

I understand that, and you're right about humans coming with the territory, as it were. But, Transformers do learn to transform before they came to earth, and by that all I'm saying is that they don't do it in response to being on earth, but it's some ability they bring with them, so it serves a purpose even when there's no need to hide. I understand what you're saying as well, but for me I reckon it's more about the character of the robot characters than the up-front action.

But hey, you know, whatever makes you happy, right? Life's too short to not be happy.

Oh totally, this is nothing to actually get upset over. :p

I just don't see what purpose transforming serves beyond disguise. Beyond combiners, if they have the equipment to do it in alt-mode, they should be able to do it in robot mode.

CErtain vehicles could be more useful or effective in combat or to take advantage of a robots' latent abilities, like speed or whatnot. In my mind at least, it's kind of a question of why bother having tanks and APCs and stuff if all of your soldiers have legs.

RID hands down. At least Beast Machines was deep. RID is just dumb and does nothing for me.

crazyjeffy wrote:

Volrathicus Baenimus wrote:

Dagon wrote:

Volrathicus Baenimus wrote:

Dagon wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Dagon wrote:I'm not a fan of anything that is overly reliant on humans, comic or show wise.

That's too bad. You may be put off by Masterforce, since it's a very human-centric show. But, it's still arguably the greatest of all the Japanese-made TF cartoons.

More for you, I guess. I know it's been said to death and back, and criticized for being somehow "wrong," but I just figure that any story should focus on its main characters, and if the story is called "Transformers," they ought to be the focus. I am giving the new IDW series' a shot because they seem devoid of organics, and while people try to tell me that I can't honestly enjoy Stormbringer because it's apparently depressing and boring without humans, I think that's my favorite mini-series I guess I'd call it. I am apparently gifted with amazing powers by virtue of being able to identify with characters that are not human despite being told that I can't do that, thus the need for humans.
I've always heard good things about Masterforce, and I'd give it a chance and watch it, as I'm far from a monster. But chances are good that unless the human characters just really grab my interest I won't put up with it just to be able to say I've seen it.

I respect your opinon, and agree the Transformers are the whole point.

But as a counterpoint, the whole point of transformers is that they transform to disguise themselves while on our planet. Never got the point of transformers off the planet because there didn't really seem to be any need for them to, well, transform :p I like my transformers based on earth, secretly battling, disguising themselves are earth machines. And with being on earth comes humans. So while they aren't the point of the show and rarely the best characters, they are a necessary part of the formula for me.

I understand that, and you're right about humans coming with the territory, as it were. But, Transformers do learn to transform before they came to earth, and by that all I'm saying is that they don't do it in response to being on earth, but it's some ability they bring with them, so it serves a purpose even when there's no need to hide. I understand what you're saying as well, but for me I reckon it's more about the character of the robot characters than the up-front action.

But hey, you know, whatever makes you happy, right? Life's too short to not be happy.

Oh totally, this is nothing to actually get upset over. :p

I just don't see what purpose transforming serves beyond disguise. Beyond combiners, if they have the equipment to do it in alt-mode, they should be able to do it in robot mode.

I think it's like the difference between running and walking. Humans can run to get somewhere faster, but they can get to the same destination by walking (with much less effort) so why bother running? I think that might be a good analogy to use in this case. Or not. Call me crazy.

I considered that, but then again, how badly do robots fatigue when running? Also seems counterproductive to change your form to go faster while having your wheels hanging uselessly off your body in the form you spend most of your time in. Like having backwards bending legs on your shoulders so you can turn upside down to run faster.

Then again, its a cartoon :p

Dagon wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Dagon wrote:I'm not a fan of anything that is overly reliant on humans, comic or show wise.

That's too bad. You may be put off by Masterforce, since it's a very human-centric show. But, it's still arguably the greatest of all the Japanese-made TF cartoons.

More for you, I guess. I know it's been said to death and back, and criticized for being somehow "wrong," but I just figure that any story should focus on its main characters, and if the story is called "Transformers," they ought to be the focus.

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I've always heard good things about Masterforce, and I'd give it a chance and watch it, as I'm far from a monster. But chances are good that unless the human characters just really grab my interest I won't put up with it just to be able to say I've seen it.

Oh, don't worry. Despite it being very human-centric and having probably the most main human characters of any TF series, it is still very much centered primarily around its Autobots and Decepticons. I can't say how that makes sense without giving much away, but watching the series will show how that all works out.

I am a VERY open minded Tranfans (Straight up fan of the Movies, Animated, Prime, Rescue Bots, the Beast Era, and G1, but if I had to say my least favorite series, I would say either RID or Energon. When it comes TF series being in English, these are the only two where I couldn't continue watching. (Armada was barely tolerable for me.)

Energon: That Anime blew chunks.

Animated is by far my least favourite series. I simply cannot stand those chunky, blocky, angular character designs, it's almost like visual puke.

Slashercon wrote:I am a VERY open minded Tranfans (Straight up fan of the Movies, Animated, Prime, Rescue Bots, the Beast Era, and G1, but if I had to say my least favorite series, I would say either RID or Energon. When it comes TF series being in English, these are the only two where I couldn't continue watching. (Armada was barely tolerable for me.)

Glad to hear that you're open-minded. However, while I cannot say the same for Energon, RiD got way better as it went on. It's best to view that show in three story arcs: Episodes 1-13 focus on the Autobots vs. the Predacons, episode 14-26 focus on them dealing with the Decepticons and the rogue Autobot Ultra Magnus, and episodes 27-39 focus on them tangling with the power of the titanic Fortress Maximus and nigh-unbeatable godlike Galvatron.

Though, Energon was just terrible, but I cannot deny that it did have some very few aweome points, like the one-on-one fight between Optimus Supreme and Unicron.

I would have to go with Animated. I don't really know it that well. I am getting some of the digest comics to check out more about it, but the overall look is not to my liking. I know there are other TF versions out there that I probably don't even know about, but Animated is the one I at least have seen something of to comment on it.

Royal Lantern wrote:I would have to go with Animated. I don't really know it that well. I am getting some of the digest comics to check out more about it, but the overall look is not to my liking. I know there are other TF versions out there that I probably don't even know about, but Animated is the one I at least have seen something of to comment on it.

Watch the cartoon. It'll give a better outlook than the comics would.

Pretty much anything in between Beast Machines and Animated. I didn't like Animated at first but after I watched a few episodes it got pretty good.

Armada. Starts as Pokeformers, then it becomes quest for the three holy weapons that do utterly nothing later in the show, later the show is about "just let's kill as many minicons as possible" and in the end, it's fighting Unicron, who is just as exciting, dangerous, and fast as an iceberg.

Thanks Sabrblade. I'll have to check out the cartoon. It seems like a lot of cartoons that came out in the 90s and even today start out rough and then find their footing as they go along.

I know that Beast Wars started off a little rough for me, but then later on I really loved watching it.

I wish that IDW would try relaunching that as a series, but go back to a new beginning because while their comic mini-series for Beast Wars was good, it relied too much on fans of the show and figures to gain readers. New readers would get los very quickly it seemed.

Royal Lantern wrote:Thanks Sabrblade. I'll have to check out the cartoon. It seems like a lot of cartoons that came out in the 90s and even today start out rough and then find their footing as they go along.

With Animated, most of its fans were hooked by the first episode (since it was actually the first three episodes edited together as a TV movie special). What got most people captivated by it were its fan nods to past series, its voice acting, its Decepticons being super powerful juggernauts, its Optimus not being a boring Mr. Perfect, and more.

Cartoon series: Armada, Energon, Cybertron. Each one was worse then the last.

Comics: Having actually read all of them (and most of them when they first came out) I'm going to be slammed for this but the early IDW stuff up to All Hail Megatron. That was the turning point. Before that there were some good minis like Megatron Origin and the Spotlights but the episodic 6 issue limited series format was boring and the stories just weren't fun. Again it must be said that the vast majority of the Spotlights ruled.

Toyline: Animorphs

Sabrblade wrote:

Royal Lantern wrote:Thanks Sabrblade. I'll have to check out the cartoon. It seems like a lot of cartoons that came out in the 90s and even today start out rough and then find their footing as they go along.

With Animated, most of its fans were hooked by the first episode (since it was actually the first three episodes edited together as a TV movie special). What got most people captivated by it were its fan nods to past series, its voice acting, its Decepticons being super powerful juggernauts, its Optimus not being a boring Mr. Perfect, and more.

Now you saying that has me even more excited to check it out. I love nods to the past and I like the idea of a more dynamic Optimus....plus your heroes are only as good as your villains, so increasing the threat of the Decepticons sounds good to me.