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Re: Finally planning to do another 'Im on holiday' Tournie.

Postby Redimus GTS » Wed Mar 03, 2010 10:24 am

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Do you volley all your guys into missions at once, or leave a couple of powerful ones in case more tournie missions turn up before they would otherwise be free?

I mean, from what Ive seen, he may only be level 5, when you have some level 6s, but Ultra Magnus appears to be by far and away your most consistently good transformer, and he seems to spend a large amount of time in normal missions.

Anyway, that last post may have been a bit overly aggressive, sorry about that (I had just spent 2 hours collating the last 2 day's results, and hadn't quite readjusted to polite conversation), but you lot *really* need to get organised. And as the strongest member of your faction, you need to be part of that, even if it means you don't get as much xp as you would in a normal couple of weeks.

One of the good by products of these kills games is, instead of commanders putting their weaker tfs in for 'free xp' (which generally isn't there), they put their strongest available characters in, which helps their faction.
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Re: Finally planning to do another 'Im on holiday' Tournie.

Postby Redimus GTS » Wed Mar 03, 2010 11:20 am

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Ive just been given some bad news Im afraid. My French Gran is at death's door, which means I may be heading off to France for her funeral at very short notice. As it happens I was planning to see my English Gran for a couple of days, and expected to be able to run this tournie in a relatively uninterrupted way, but should I need to go to France, it will mean I will be away from the internet for a bare minimum of 3 days.

She's lead a very long and happy life (she turned 100 last year), and in all honesty, her quality of life has been poor for a while now, but Im sure you will all understand if this takes a back seat for me at any point.

Until I have any more news, this runs as normal, and the end date stays the same.
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Re: Finally planning to do another 'Im on holiday' Tournie.

Postby Mkall » Wed Mar 03, 2010 5:47 pm

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Re: Finally planning to do another 'Im on holiday' Tournie.

Postby Redimus GTS » Wed Mar 03, 2010 5:56 pm

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Cheers Mkall.
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Re: Finally planning to do another 'Im on holiday' Tournie.

Postby Naked Magnus » Fri Mar 05, 2010 8:04 am

Redimus GTS wrote:Do you volley all your guys into missions at once, or leave a couple of powerful ones in case more tournie missions turn up before they would otherwise be free?

Anyway, that last post may have been a bit overly aggressive, sorry about that (I had just spent 2 hours collating the last 2 day's results, and hadn't quite readjusted to polite conversation), but you lot *really* need to get organised. And as the strongest member of your faction, you need to be part of that, even if it means you don't get as much xp as you would in a normal couple of weeks.

One of the good by products of these kills games is, instead of commanders putting their weaker tfs in for 'free xp' (which generally isn't there), they put their strongest available characters in, which helps their faction.

Thanks, I was a bit caught of guard at the insinuation that I of all players am not contributing to my faction. My pattern is to play every 30 to 45 minutes and keep my interaction with the game down to less than one minute. If I play longer, then my brain context switches too much away from writing code and it takes me too long to get back into programming, which hurts my work productivity. If tournie missions are available during that window, then I place my top bots in them.
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Re: Legacy of the Quintessons: Chat, Questions, Smack Talk.

Postby Burn » Fri Mar 05, 2010 6:10 pm

Alright, so here's the "official" decision.

There were good arguments for both sides of the fence, but in the end we're not going to allow it for this particular tournament.

As I previously said, the tournament organiser has a large say in how the tournament is run. Red made clear his thoughts on the matter so that alone was a big factor in our decision.

There's also the issue of availability. Obviously something like this would give RoS an advantage over others. So make it available to everyone? That would be the right thing to do but then we run into the problem of it being a piece of off-site code, and we've had issues in the past with that sort of thing.

Ideally it's code that needs to be worked into the game it's self. Once Mkall gets his FTP access restored he's going to look into things like that (and if you're willing to help him out RoS I think he'd appreciate it).

Hope that clears things up.
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Re: Legacy of the Quintessons: Chat, Questions, Smack Talk.

Postby Naked Magnus » Sat Mar 06, 2010 10:34 am

Burn wrote:Alright, so here's the "official" decision.

There were good arguments for both sides of the fence, but in the end we're not going to allow it for this particular tournament.

As I previously said, the tournament organiser has a large say in how the tournament is run. Red made clear his thoughts on the matter so that alone was a big factor in our decision.

There's also the issue of availability. Obviously something like this would give RoS an advantage over others. So make it available to everyone? That would be the right thing to do but then we run into the problem of it being a piece of off-site code, and we've had issues in the past with that sort of thing.

Ideally it's code that needs to be worked into the game it's self. Once Mkall gets his FTP access restored he's going to look into things like that (and if you're willing to help him out RoS I think he'd appreciate it).

Hope that clears things up.

That's fine. Work has been kicking my ass anyway. The timing just did not work out well for me. My company's biggest deliverable in its history is due at the end of this month. Hence, I don't have time to manually count scores in March. I guess it makes the whole point moot.

The plan was always to make the app available to everybody and to make the source code public, so that you guys can check for things like:

if (transformer.getCommander().getName() == 'Burn')
{
transformer.getScore().deductPoints();
}
else if (transformer.getCommander().getName() == 'revengeofstarscream')
{
transformer.getScore().addBadAssBonus();
}

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Re: Legacy of the Quintessons: Chat, Questions, Smack Talk.

Postby Burn » Sat Mar 06, 2010 2:50 pm

I only had one major concern about the code.

HMW requires you to be logged in to see mission results and what not. That wouldn't have been an issue?
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Re: Legacy of the Quintessons: Chat, Questions, Smack Talk.

Postby Naked Magnus » Sat Mar 06, 2010 5:09 pm

Burn wrote:I only had one major concern about the code.

HMW requires you to be logged in to see mission results and what not. That wouldn't have been an issue?

Ahh, Yes! Forgot about that. One way to do it would be for me to log on and then grab the PHPSESSID from the seibertron.com cookie, and then have the scraper add this value to the HTTP header whenever it makes an HTTP GET request for a given mission id. HTTP is stateless, so the session id is what lets the server know you are you vs. someone else. So the scraper would, in effect, be logged in as me.

After a little thought, it would just be easier for the program to generate a report on everyone and then post the report online somewhere. It would start with the first tourney mission id, and then iterate over all tournie missions and compile results for everyone.

Cut it out Burn! The more you make me talk about it, the more I want to do it....just no time... ARRRGGHHH!!! :BANG_HEAD: This would be a lot more fun than what I am currently working on.
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Re: Legacy of the Quintessons: Chat, Questions, Smack Talk.

Postby Burn » Sat Mar 06, 2010 5:17 pm

revengeofstarscream wrote:After a little thought, it would just be easier for the program to generate a report on everyone and then post the report online somewhere. It would start with the first tourney mission id, and then iterate over all tournie missions and compile results for everyone.


Now that, would work perfectly.

And because I absoloutely REFUSE to cut it out, it wouldn't be too much to put into a spreadsheet for the number crunchers amongst us?
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Re: Legacy of the Quintessons: Chat, Questions, Smack Talk.

Postby Redimus GTS » Sun Mar 07, 2010 3:59 pm

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Im slowly working through the scores, so we should be up to date soon, and I shall also post a league table of the kills game (hopefully) tonight.

Just one word for the Bots.
You guys need to get organised. Quickly.
You've been making the odd little gains in isolated batches of 20 missions, but you always lose more in the next batch. And the whole lot of you should be ashamed for this particular batch of 20:


Mission #195705-195800 wrote:Standings In This 20
:BOT: : 2
:CON: : 15
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Re: Legacy of the Quintessons: Chat, Questions, Smack Talk.

Postby Redimus GTS » Sun Mar 07, 2010 5:41 pm

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Tournament and Sidegame Standings at the Halfway Point.

Net Standings up to #196500:
:BOT: : 322
:CON: : 508

Mech of War Standings:
:CON:
  1. Redimus GTS (146)
  2. Chaoslock (133)
  3. Name_Violation (113)
  4. Xeez (90)
  5. Thunderclonus (71)
  6. Sustain (24)
  7. Editor (19)
  8. Icon Jade (13)
  9. Phasewing (10)
  10. Wrath (10)

:BOT:
  1. alldarker (74)
  2. SNAPCASE (52)
  3. olokin (27)
  4. Absolute Zero (24)
  5. Optimus Prime007 (13)
  6. Raphael Prime (12)
  7. Magnus Label (9)
  8. Zordon (4)
  9. Neo Crusader (1)
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Re: Legacy of the Quintessons: Chat, Questions, Smack Talk.

Postby Zordon » Mon Mar 08, 2010 1:51 am

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Redimus GTS wrote:Tournament and Sidegame Standings at the Halfway Point.

Net Standings up to #196500:
:BOT: : 322
:CON: : 508

Mech of War Standings:
:CON:
  1. Redimus GTS (146)
  2. Chaoslock (133)
  3. Name_Violation (113)
  4. Xeez (90)
  5. Thunderclonus (71)
  6. Sustain (24)
  7. Editor (19)
  8. Icon Jade (13)
  9. Phasewing (10)
  10. Wrath (10)

:BOT:
  1. alldarker (74)
  2. SNAPCASE (52)
  3. olokin (27)
  4. Absolute Zero (24)
  5. Optimus Prime007 (13)
  6. Raphael Prime (12)
  7. Magnus Label (9)
  8. Zordon (4)
  9. Neo Crusader (1)


im going to have to spend a hour or so tonight tabbing out the links and get my kill count up to date. if RoS wants his doing at the same i will charge 100K in energon
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Re: Legacy of the Quintessons: Chat, Questions, Smack Talk.

Postby Name_Violation » Mon Mar 08, 2010 4:51 am

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Re: Legacy of the Quintessons: Chat, Questions, Smack Talk.

Postby Redimus GTS » Mon Mar 08, 2010 7:14 am

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If it's any consolation, the next two days will have me playing a lot less. After that though, it's every killer for himself!
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Re: Legacy of the Quintessons: Chat, Questions, Smack Talk.

Postby Phasewing » Mon Mar 08, 2010 7:38 am

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>.>

Having rotten luck still doesn't help me... :BANG_HEAD:
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Re: Legacy of the Quintessons: Chat, Questions, Smack Talk.

Postby Redimus GTS » Mon Mar 08, 2010 10:06 am

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Phasewing wrote:>.>

Having rotten luck still doesn't help me... :BANG_HEAD:

At least you've chosen the winning side!
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Re: Legacy of the Quintessons: Chat, Questions, Smack Talk.

Postby Kaijubot » Mon Mar 08, 2010 10:12 am

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I should get started on the victory text. At least I only have to write one version.
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Re: Legacy of the Quintessons: Chat, Questions, Smack Talk.

Postby Absolute Zero » Mon Mar 08, 2010 10:13 am

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Re: Legacy of the Quintessons: Chat, Questions, Smack Talk.

Postby Chaoslock » Mon Mar 08, 2010 4:51 pm

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Re: Legacy of the Quintessons: Chat, Questions, Smack Talk.

Postby Redimus GTS » Tue Mar 09, 2010 2:36 am

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Re: Legacy of the Quintessons: Chat, Questions, Smack Talk.

Postby Wingspan » Thu Mar 11, 2010 12:24 pm

Motto: "Death is not the end."
Burn wrote:
revengeofstarscream wrote:After a little thought, it would just be easier for the program to generate a report on everyone and then post the report online somewhere. It would start with the first tourney mission id, and then iterate over all tournie missions and compile results for everyone.


Now that, would work perfectly.

And because I absoloutely REFUSE to cut it out, it wouldn't be too much to put into a spreadsheet for the number crunchers amongst us?


This is what I did for the Pred vs. Max tourney. Simple process.

- Create HTML file (through excel) which enumerates all tournament missions (start mission # + 5 copied down many rows and use excel equations to put <a href=...> tags around the mission #)
- Open HTML file in Firefox
- Use DownThemAll to get all HTML files on local machine (so Seibertron has no major impact; it has a one time request to load the missions from my machine and then my machine saves the HTML from its in memory firefox session)
- Use regular expressions to slice and dice participants, winners, blah blah
- Paste expression results into excel
- Pivot tables for the win

The pain was the regular expressions. I never automated it. So it took me 30-90 minutes per round to get data into excel and pivoted / filtered to only report on tournament participants.

Reddy-poos objection to this though is quite valid. Old school checking adds involvement. I liked the Pred vs. Max trash talking and we still tracked postings. The regex madness was confirmation and to get totals for factions (translate: saved me time). The idea was quite sound for mission win counting and kill counting. Would help in scalp hunt validation significantly if someone could automate what already exists.

p.s. I shared this with Psych before I last disappeared due to life. However I'm not sure I ever transferred knowledge well enough to make it reusable.

p.s.s. Oh, and formatting to post into the forum was painful... I finally resorted to posting images so the pivot table matrix would be clear.

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Re: Legacy of the Quintessons: Chat, Questions, Smack Talk.

Postby Redimus GTS » Thu Mar 11, 2010 1:52 pm

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Wingspan wrote:Reddy-poos

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Re: Legacy of the Quintessons: Chat, Questions, Smack Talk.

Postby Redimus GTS » Sun Mar 14, 2010 10:48 am

Motto: "Better than Michael Bay..."
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Just a reminder that the tournament finishes at 9pm GMT (about3 and a quarter hours time). I will announce the final mission (the closest counting one to close admission before 9pm) as soon as I know it.
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Re: Legacy of the Quintessons: Chat, Questions, Smack Talk.

Postby Redimus GTS » Sun Mar 14, 2010 1:49 pm

Motto: "Better than Michael Bay..."
Weapon: Null-Ray Rifle
Official Announcement!
The last valid mission will be: #201370. No claims posted for missions after this one will be counted, and no missions after this one will be included in the overall tournie count.

Players have until midnight (GMT) on Monday to post their remaining Mech of War claims.

Thank you.
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