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Re: Lego ripping off Kre-O?

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Re: Lego ripping off Kre-O?

Postby Bowspearer » Sun Oct 21, 2012 5:06 pm

LEGO is in no way ripping of Kreo here. What people forget is that LEGO have a history of doing transforming robots (the first one which comes to mind is a thechnics transforming truck set [8852]) since at least the 1989.
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Re: Lego ripping off Kre-O?

Postby RAcast » Sun Oct 21, 2012 5:11 pm

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Bowspearer wrote:LEGO is in no way ripping of Kreo here. What people forget is that LEGO have a history of doing transforming robots (the first one which comes to mind is a thechnics transforming truck set [8852]) since at least the 1989.

We know, and nobody is questioning that.

The entire point of this thread is not that Lego has made a set like this, but that it's GREEN.

It bears far more than a passing resemblance to Springer, lol.
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Re: Lego ripping off Kre-O?

Postby Bowspearer » Sun Oct 21, 2012 5:35 pm

RAcast wrote:
Bowspearer wrote:LEGO is in no way ripping of Kreo here. What people forget is that LEGO have a history of doing transforming robots (the first one which comes to mind is a thechnics transforming truck set [8852]) since at least the 1989.

We know, and nobody is questioning that.

The entire point of this thread is not that Lego has made a set like this, but that it's GREEN.

It bears far more than a passing resemblance to Springer, lol.


That's debateable. I think the reason people are jumping to that conclusion is because it's green and has 3 modes, including a helecopter. However the truck mode is radically different from Springer's ground mode and the robot mode is also vastly different from Springer's in terms of colours and look.

I'd agree that you could definitely say that it's "inspired" by Springer, but I'm not sure I'd go so far as to say it's a rip off.
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Re: Lego ripping off Kre-O?

Postby craggy » Sun Oct 21, 2012 5:40 pm

I do wonder why there's a news article about a transforming robot toy that isn't made by Hasbro on the front page though.
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Re: Lego ripping off Kre-O?

Postby El Duque » Sun Oct 21, 2012 6:02 pm

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The truck mode isn't all that Springer-ish, but it is Bulkhead-ish as is the robot mode. The whole set seems to be a mish mash of the two characters.
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Re: Lego ripping off Kre-O?

Postby Noideaforaname » Sun Oct 21, 2012 6:26 pm

Ehh, these are really thin similarities. The only thing really Bulkhead-ish is the underbite/mouthplate, which is really common in mechas; the pickup truck isn't at all anything Bulkhead ever turned into. The green is just military green, which is a very common choice among vehicles and mechas as it could conceivably be used by most of them.
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Re: Lego ripping off Kre-O?

Postby Bumblevivisector » Sun Oct 21, 2012 6:43 pm

I was trying to see the jeep mode as Hound or Brawn, but that's just grasping at straws.

But in addition to the slight bot-mode resemblance to Animated/Prime Bulkhead, I can't help but be reminded that Energon Bulkhead (first use of the name?), was called Sprang in Superlink since he was a Springer homage. That part must be a coincidence, but it's a weird one.
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Re: Lego ripping off Kre-O?

Postby craggy » Sun Oct 21, 2012 6:53 pm

and in the Prime cartoon Bulkhead is a former-Wrecker. I think they might be twins separated by universes.
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Re: Lego ripping off Kre-O?

Postby Ultra Markus » Sun Oct 21, 2012 8:06 pm

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or go with the bionicle
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Re: Lego ripping off Kre-O?

Postby Nemesis Primal » Sun Oct 21, 2012 8:44 pm

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Until someone makes one that transforms like a transformer, I'm not going to care. So far, the only one I've seen do that is one big K'nex set, released back around the same time as Beast Machines.
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Re: Lego ripping off Kre-O?

Postby f-primus-unicron » Sun Oct 21, 2012 8:59 pm

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there are a lot of fan-made instructions for lego and kreo of how to amke a transforming figure using them
so i still dont get all this complaining
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Re: Lego ripping off Kre-O?

Postby TulioDude » Sun Oct 21, 2012 9:09 pm

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Handels-Messerschmitt wrote:They've been doing those sets with enough pieces to make three different things for a while now. Giant robots aren't a new thing either. That is remarkably similar to Springer, though.

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Re: Lego ripping off Kre-O?

Postby Autobot032 » Sun Oct 21, 2012 9:15 pm

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I see no rip off.

After so many years, it was legal to be a brick maker, like Lego. (I forget what year, but it was rather recent.)

Oxford (the company that produces Kre-O for Hasbro, Megablox for Rose Art/Wal-Mart) hasn't ripped anyone off.

Lego making kits that create a vehicle mode and robot mode is not a rip off either. Heck, if it transforms, they're one step ahead of Hasbro.

All's fair game at this point. *shrugs* Now...if Lego had molded an Optimus or Bumblebee head, then you'd have something.
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Re: Lego ripping off Kre-O?

Postby Bowspearer » Mon Oct 22, 2012 12:43 am

Noideaforaname wrote:Ehh, these are really thin similarities. The only thing really Bulkhead-ish is the underbite/mouthplate, which is really common in mechas; the pickup truck isn't at all anything Bulkhead ever turned into. The green is just military green, which is a very common choice among vehicles and mechas as it could conceivably be used by most of them.


And I think that's the thing. There's often one big rey area between originality and ripping off which is inspiration and in a huge chunk of that is going to be coincidence.

How much of this is inpsired by the same things that inspired Bulkhead and Springer? How much of this is going to be common to other things that we as Transformers fans have just come to strongly associate with certain things? Those are 2 big questions which need to be answered in the process of answering the question about the originality of this LEGO set.
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Re: Lego ripping off Kre-O?

Postby noctorro » Mon Oct 22, 2012 1:00 am

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I thought they would make Transformers Lego's right after the Slizer figure line.
Which lateron became Robo Riders, and then Bionicle and now Hero Factory.

Slizers did kind of transform to fit their space ships AND THEY DIDN'T NEED RE ASSEMBLY TO TRANSFORM. This what they're doing now is kind of silly.

The Throwbots folded in half and tucked their arms away. Not much of a transformation. The...Vahki? Whatever their names were, the drones from Bionicle 2004, they had a bit more transformation. They turned from biped to quadruped by bending backwards and flipping their arms and heads around. LEGO has never been much for engineering actual transformations, since the whole point of LEGO is to build and rebuild in different ways. That said, a non-partforming brickformer (from anybody) would be awesome.



Yessss, Throwbots, that's what they were called elsewhere. And the Vahki were kind of cool. But those limbs are great to make transformation movement. The other bricks can be complete doors and windows. I don't see a problem with Lego trying that first.
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Re: Lego ripping off Kre-O?

Postby robotmel » Mon Oct 22, 2012 1:06 am

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El Duque wrote:Bulk-springer or is it Springer-head? Either way this upcoming Lego Creator set seems suspiciously similar to the Transformers characters Bulkhead in robot mode and Springer in vehicle modes. Is this a case of Lego ripping off Kre-o that ripped off Lego? Take a look below.

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Re: Lego ripping off Kre-O?

Postby Screamfleet » Mon Oct 22, 2012 8:04 am

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Lego actually does intentional homages sometimes. I dont know if this is the case. It's hard to call it coincidental though. I feel like they made it green, because red or blue might look too much like optimus. Green is a decent color to go with. We all see springer, but honestly, he's a much more obscure character these days. Still Lego did make a minifigure that resembles JEM, and black knight figure with a red boar symbol on its shield, the same as the one that monty python black knight had on his chest. In this case, I bet the designer isn't aware of what they did.
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Re: Lego ripping off Kre-O?

Postby Handels-Messerschmitt » Mon Oct 22, 2012 10:50 am

Screamfleet wrote:In this case, I bet the designer isn't aware of what they did.


I don't know about that. There is no way the people who design the lego sets aren't massive nerds.
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Re: Lego ripping off Kre-O?

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Re: Lego ripping off Kre-O?

Postby Screamfleet » Mon Oct 22, 2012 2:32 pm

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Exactly. I have friends who are huge nerds. They don't all know who Springer is. Geez, some of them probably couldn't tell you which symbol is autobot or decepticon. Though they could tell you what year Frodo's 111th birthday was and stuff like that.
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Re: Lego ripping off Kre-O?

Postby Handels-Messerschmitt » Tue Oct 23, 2012 9:59 am

That Bot wrote:Doesn't mean they're Transformers fans.


You only need one of them to be, though.
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Re: Lego ripping off Kre-O?

Postby Grimlock Shakur » Tue Oct 23, 2012 1:43 pm

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this is funny, finally Lego is trying to get a piece of the big a** pie, Lego should of done the Kre-o stuff from the get go! but I guess it was a risk they were not willing to make... I think the Lego stuff is just built better, don't get me wrong I have some of the Kre-o's but mostly it was just to get the freakin Kreons! haha now we know what Kre-o stands for! KO! for knocking off Lego in a way... :lol:
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Re: Lego ripping off Kre-O?

Postby Scaleface » Fri Oct 26, 2012 7:23 am

Megatron Wolf wrote:from the looks of it it doesnt transform so im out. Yeah im sure the lego ones will be better but if i had to chose id go kreo since they include actual transformer heads. But until either line make the "figures" transform i could care less.


The company making transforming Lego Transformers is Kazi. They seem to be the only one who figured people only want to assemble them once. They made about a dozen new and "homage" characters... and they can transform!

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Re: Lego ripping off Kre-O?

Postby Breakdown 2099 » Sat Oct 27, 2012 1:07 am

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Scaleface wrote:
Megatron Wolf wrote:from the looks of it it doesnt transform so im out. Yeah im sure the lego ones will be better but if i had to chose id go kreo since they include actual transformer heads. But until either line make the "figures" transform i could care less.


The company making transforming Lego Transformers is Kazi. They seem to be the only one who figured people only want to assemble them once. They made about a dozen new and "homage" characters... and they can transform!

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Apart from Optimus, the robot modes of all the others look like they were put together by Stephen Hawking. I do however take your point about building a set piece once then being able to transform it properly.
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