Looking back at the 86 movie...
Posted: Wed Feb 04, 2009 9:49 am
Ive been a long time fan of transformers. One thing I never got was the G1 movie back in 86. To me even as a kid just felt like a major fast forward in the series from season 2, and skipped so much detail and left so many questions. Like 20 some years later cybertron is somehow viable to live on(and the decepticons are somehow great shots and deadly, and the autobots all got amazingly fragile), despite that being whole reason they bailed in the first place.
Then they tossed in a dozen new characters, which if the idea was for them to replace the older cast, I feel like they could had them origined better than the movie, as may be we could warmed up to them more before they pushed the older ones out of the picture. Which alot of them have such odd alt modes, and a few have these super annoying speaking gimmicks. (wheelie and Blurr in particular spring to mind) Theres a few post movie characters I like such as ultra magnus(whcih if the junkions could fix him so easily, why didnt they jsut bring prime and all others there too.), and the technobots, but theres likely more I had mixed or negative feelings toward especially with how they sent off our previous heroes only made that worse.
I mean they offed them so mercilessly like they thought they were telling a horror movie(it was a kids movie you jerks), as seemed like it was written by evil corporate execs (which Im sure it was mostly mandate as wiki talks about them wanting to have everyone from 84 lined up and mowed down)not fans of the series. Just comes off as terrible fanfic in this area only, its actually canon. This aspect really turned me off to series on top of all subpar stand ins we got.
Then they go and Retcon stuff like the matrix of leadership which never been mentioend before into existence and Unicron. Which supposedly was such a massive threat to planets you think there be a tad more awareness of him as first planet he smokes seemed to know fully aware of him. Which just luckily the matrix happens kill him which he some how knows despite never actually encountered, but isnt smart enough make it his primary target to destroy earlier.
The actual plot seemed so incoherent as the autobots and decepticons just seem to randomly bounce around. (like what the heck were autobots doing by quints homeworld anyways if they were on their path to cybertron.) Theres a ton of plotholes, big enough for unicron to fit thru. Granted most kids stuff wasnt meant to be analyzed by adults, like much of the original series, but didnt feel like they even tried kick it up a notch despite being a major motion picture.
I ultimately recently rewatched it, and still feel mixed feelings as I dont like the direction it took the series in, as even the character Rodimus prime (what heck is Rodimus, thats not even a word, as just further how much of a placeholder he was for prime. Atleast as hot rod his name was alright.) said himself how inferior he was to prime, and said what most fans were thinking. Making him being one who got the legend killed, all that more assine he became the leader. It be like Jason Todd getting batman killed and taking over as batman. Its really an insult and outrage when you think about it.
I see people who are older fans praise it, which leaves me confuses as like did they forget what a crud came with it. Season 3 had some really lame episodes seemed even more aimless than the movie as seemed like they lost any sense of where they wanted to go, as the decepticons were in shambles rest of the series(which they worked as the quints pawns alot of times.), and the autobots would just bounce around space may be involing them or not. Or go fight some random wizard or whatever they felt like that episode.
Sure season 1 and 2 had their so so episodes, but atleast the cast was very likeable for most part.(and it didnt bring back our heroes for kicks and kill them off again liek dark awakening..oh lets pour salt in the wounds here) I feel like that has alot to do with my resentment of the movie is it hollowed old favorites so cruely and pave the way for alot of new stuff I didnt like.
Its not just me though, as I talk about season 3 stuff, most my friends seemed to blocked it out of their memories as the characters were so forgettable. Since the 2007 movie came out I d been looking back on alot of the older stuff, as bring back out my love for transformers.
While i dont hate Hot rod with the buring passion I used to. (I kind of feel sorry for him as an adult as he was doomed to not be liked with how he was pushed into the series.) I cant say I like what they did with the movie and the series, as it helped fuel the fire that took out sunbow which made the series. Who knows if the movie never got made may be there would been several seasons of G1 instead of 3 and finale in rebirth. (which was yet another lets sell toys galore moment, and the autobots seemed job extra hard at almost every turn. And managed to seemingly kill off yet another favorite of mine the aerial bots, though showed them at the end, so may be the energy burst from vector sigma somehow revived them fron what the cons turning them into a rocket or something.)
I can hope the revenge of the fallen doesnt start to mirror the 86 movie, and off a ton of autobots to make room for more new toys too. Im not against them killing some characers, as I know bound happen. (like poor poor jazz.He ironcially died same way my toy did from G1 when i accidentally broke him in half mistransforming him.) but I prefer not be done quit like the 86 film did. I dont care see that again. Or unicron, dont bring transformer gods into the movies.
Im not saying the 2007 movie didnt have its flaws, but I feel like peopels nostaliga goggles were on for that movie, as I really dont understand why they say was so awesome. The fact if flopped in box office seemed like a sign that really wasnt that great. (shrugs) I dont expect people agree with me, but I d figure Im not alone with their nerdrage toward how they handled the movie and post seasons either.
Then they tossed in a dozen new characters, which if the idea was for them to replace the older cast, I feel like they could had them origined better than the movie, as may be we could warmed up to them more before they pushed the older ones out of the picture. Which alot of them have such odd alt modes, and a few have these super annoying speaking gimmicks. (wheelie and Blurr in particular spring to mind) Theres a few post movie characters I like such as ultra magnus(whcih if the junkions could fix him so easily, why didnt they jsut bring prime and all others there too.), and the technobots, but theres likely more I had mixed or negative feelings toward especially with how they sent off our previous heroes only made that worse.
I mean they offed them so mercilessly like they thought they were telling a horror movie(it was a kids movie you jerks), as seemed like it was written by evil corporate execs (which Im sure it was mostly mandate as wiki talks about them wanting to have everyone from 84 lined up and mowed down)not fans of the series. Just comes off as terrible fanfic in this area only, its actually canon. This aspect really turned me off to series on top of all subpar stand ins we got.
Then they go and Retcon stuff like the matrix of leadership which never been mentioend before into existence and Unicron. Which supposedly was such a massive threat to planets you think there be a tad more awareness of him as first planet he smokes seemed to know fully aware of him. Which just luckily the matrix happens kill him which he some how knows despite never actually encountered, but isnt smart enough make it his primary target to destroy earlier.
The actual plot seemed so incoherent as the autobots and decepticons just seem to randomly bounce around. (like what the heck were autobots doing by quints homeworld anyways if they were on their path to cybertron.) Theres a ton of plotholes, big enough for unicron to fit thru. Granted most kids stuff wasnt meant to be analyzed by adults, like much of the original series, but didnt feel like they even tried kick it up a notch despite being a major motion picture.
I ultimately recently rewatched it, and still feel mixed feelings as I dont like the direction it took the series in, as even the character Rodimus prime (what heck is Rodimus, thats not even a word, as just further how much of a placeholder he was for prime. Atleast as hot rod his name was alright.) said himself how inferior he was to prime, and said what most fans were thinking. Making him being one who got the legend killed, all that more assine he became the leader. It be like Jason Todd getting batman killed and taking over as batman. Its really an insult and outrage when you think about it.
I see people who are older fans praise it, which leaves me confuses as like did they forget what a crud came with it. Season 3 had some really lame episodes seemed even more aimless than the movie as seemed like they lost any sense of where they wanted to go, as the decepticons were in shambles rest of the series(which they worked as the quints pawns alot of times.), and the autobots would just bounce around space may be involing them or not. Or go fight some random wizard or whatever they felt like that episode.
Sure season 1 and 2 had their so so episodes, but atleast the cast was very likeable for most part.(and it didnt bring back our heroes for kicks and kill them off again liek dark awakening..oh lets pour salt in the wounds here) I feel like that has alot to do with my resentment of the movie is it hollowed old favorites so cruely and pave the way for alot of new stuff I didnt like.
Its not just me though, as I talk about season 3 stuff, most my friends seemed to blocked it out of their memories as the characters were so forgettable. Since the 2007 movie came out I d been looking back on alot of the older stuff, as bring back out my love for transformers.
While i dont hate Hot rod with the buring passion I used to. (I kind of feel sorry for him as an adult as he was doomed to not be liked with how he was pushed into the series.) I cant say I like what they did with the movie and the series, as it helped fuel the fire that took out sunbow which made the series. Who knows if the movie never got made may be there would been several seasons of G1 instead of 3 and finale in rebirth. (which was yet another lets sell toys galore moment, and the autobots seemed job extra hard at almost every turn. And managed to seemingly kill off yet another favorite of mine the aerial bots, though showed them at the end, so may be the energy burst from vector sigma somehow revived them fron what the cons turning them into a rocket or something.)
I can hope the revenge of the fallen doesnt start to mirror the 86 movie, and off a ton of autobots to make room for more new toys too. Im not against them killing some characers, as I know bound happen. (like poor poor jazz.He ironcially died same way my toy did from G1 when i accidentally broke him in half mistransforming him.) but I prefer not be done quit like the 86 film did. I dont care see that again. Or unicron, dont bring transformer gods into the movies.
Im not saying the 2007 movie didnt have its flaws, but I feel like peopels nostaliga goggles were on for that movie, as I really dont understand why they say was so awesome. The fact if flopped in box office seemed like a sign that really wasnt that great. (shrugs) I dont expect people agree with me, but I d figure Im not alone with their nerdrage toward how they handled the movie and post seasons either.