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Ive been a long time fan of transformers. One thing I never got was the G1 movie back in 86. To me even as a kid just felt like a major fast forward in the series from season 2, and skipped so much detail and left so many questions. Like 20 some years later cybertron is somehow viable to live on(and the decepticons are somehow great shots and deadly, and the autobots all got amazingly fragile), despite that being whole reason they bailed in the first place.

Then they tossed in a dozen new characters, which if the idea was for them to replace the older cast, I feel like they could had them origined better than the movie, as may be we could warmed up to them more before they pushed the older ones out of the picture. Which alot of them have such odd alt modes, and a few have these super annoying speaking gimmicks. (wheelie and Blurr in particular spring to mind) Theres a few post movie characters I like such as ultra magnus(whcih if the junkions could fix him so easily, why didnt they jsut bring prime and all others there too.), and the technobots, but theres likely more I had mixed or negative feelings toward especially with how they sent off our previous heroes only made that worse.

I mean they offed them so mercilessly like they thought they were telling a horror movie(it was a kids movie you jerks), as seemed like it was written by evil corporate execs (which Im sure it was mostly mandate as wiki talks about them wanting to have everyone from 84 lined up and mowed down)not fans of the series. Just comes off as terrible fanfic in this area only, its actually canon. This aspect really turned me off to series on top of all subpar stand ins we got.

Then they go and Retcon stuff like the matrix of leadership which never been mentioend before into existence and Unicron. Which supposedly was such a massive threat to planets you think there be a tad more awareness of him as first planet he smokes seemed to know fully aware of him. Which just luckily the matrix happens kill him which he some how knows despite never actually encountered, but isnt smart enough make it his primary target to destroy earlier.

The actual plot seemed so incoherent as the autobots and decepticons just seem to randomly bounce around. (like what the heck were autobots doing by quints homeworld anyways if they were on their path to cybertron.) Theres a ton of plotholes, big enough for unicron to fit thru. Granted most kids stuff wasnt meant to be analyzed by adults, like much of the original series, but didnt feel like they even tried kick it up a notch despite being a major motion picture.

I ultimately recently rewatched it, and still feel mixed feelings as I dont like the direction it took the series in, as even the character Rodimus prime (what heck is Rodimus, thats not even a word, as just further how much of a placeholder he was for prime. Atleast as hot rod his name was alright.) said himself how inferior he was to prime, and said what most fans were thinking. Making him being one who got the legend killed, all that more assine he became the leader. It be like Jason Todd getting batman killed and taking over as batman. Its really an insult and outrage when you think about it.

I see people who are older fans praise it, which leaves me confuses as like did they forget what a crud came with it. Season 3 had some really lame episodes seemed even more aimless than the movie as seemed like they lost any sense of where they wanted to go, as the decepticons were in shambles rest of the series(which they worked as the quints pawns alot of times.), and the autobots would just bounce around space may be involing them or not. Or go fight some random wizard or whatever they felt like that episode.

Sure season 1 and 2 had their so so episodes, but atleast the cast was very likeable for most part.(and it didnt bring back our heroes for kicks and kill them off again liek dark awakening..oh lets pour salt in the wounds here) I feel like that has alot to do with my resentment of the movie is it hollowed old favorites so cruely and pave the way for alot of new stuff I didnt like.

Its not just me though, as I talk about season 3 stuff, most my friends seemed to blocked it out of their memories as the characters were so forgettable. Since the 2007 movie came out I d been looking back on alot of the older stuff, as bring back out my love for transformers.

While i dont hate Hot rod with the buring passion I used to. (I kind of feel sorry for him as an adult as he was doomed to not be liked with how he was pushed into the series.) I cant say I like what they did with the movie and the series, as it helped fuel the fire that took out sunbow which made the series. Who knows if the movie never got made may be there would been several seasons of G1 instead of 3 and finale in rebirth. (which was yet another lets sell toys galore moment, and the autobots seemed job extra hard at almost every turn. And managed to seemingly kill off yet another favorite of mine the aerial bots, though showed them at the end, so may be the energy burst from vector sigma somehow revived them fron what the cons turning them into a rocket or something.)

I can hope the revenge of the fallen doesnt start to mirror the 86 movie, and off a ton of autobots to make room for more new toys too. Im not against them killing some characers, as I know bound happen. (like poor poor jazz.He ironcially died same way my toy did from G1 when i accidentally broke him in half mistransforming him.) but I prefer not be done quit like the 86 film did. I dont care see that again. Or unicron, dont bring transformer gods into the movies.

Im not saying the 2007 movie didnt have its flaws, but I feel like peopels nostaliga goggles were on for that movie, as I really dont understand why they say was so awesome. The fact if flopped in box office seemed like a sign that really wasnt that great. (shrugs) I dont expect people agree with me, but I d figure Im not alone with their nerdrage toward how they handled the movie and post seasons either.

All tidy now.

Counterpunch wrote:All tidy now.

Yeah thanks, I like get people in my discussion, but it seemed spawn out of control. Was like oh no, Im going look so obnoxious repeatedly posting it. I havent been here long, I didnt realize you guys would react so quickly hehe.

Lastjustice wrote:

Counterpunch wrote:All tidy now.

Yeah thanks, I like get people in my discussion, but it seemed spawn out of control. Was like oh no, Im going look so obnoxious repeatedly posting it. I havent been here long, I didnt realize you guys would react so quickly hehe.

S'all good.

I agree with you on most of you view on the 86 movie.

I was really upset when they started killing off autobots. I remember I kept repeating "Why?" I remember sitting on the floor, literally in tears yelling "NO!" when Prime died. Being 7 years old i didn't understand the whole buisness end of things. I just knew they killed all of my favorite characters. The plot holes aren't really plot holes to a 7 year old.

Now, looking back at the movie, I enjoy watching it. There is a pretty good plot going through the whole movie, even though it isn't thoroughly explained (why wasn't anyone aware of Unicron, the matrix, scale issues with characters, etc.)

Even though I enjoy the movie, I do not like where it took the series. I didn't like most of the new characters. The Junkions creeped me out at the time, Cup was old and looked dumb, and Wheelie was the most annoying thing I had ever seen. I still wish Grimlock would have eaten him. Ultra Magnus was cool, but he was not Prime. I loved Hot Rod, but hated Rodimus Prime (still do to this day).

Until I bought the DVD sets of the cartoon series (last year), I could only remember one speciffic episode that took place after the movie. All of the characters I loved from the show were dead. The only episode that I could remember was the one where they found Prime and he came back to life. I look at the movie as the end of one Transformers, and the post-movie series as a completely different thing.

I totally have nostalgia goggles on for the old TF movie.

For me there are a few good parts (very good parts at that), but also a lot of good memories.

Even as a kid some stuff didn't really gel for me such as the dinobots becoming the comic relief instead of being big and tough, The Universally reviled Wheelie, The cool Hotrod becoming the not so cool Rodiums, the dancing on Junkion and so on.

As a kid I almost found season 3 and 4 unwatchable, the animation took a dive, the voices for most of the characters were vastly irritating, terrible characterizations, and so on and so forth.

As an adult I appreciate some of the more outrageous plot lines a bit more, like when Galvatron went to that rehabilitation planet, that;s a funny one for me.

Still though, despite it's flaws the 86 movie is and always will be my favorite movie/ I've cleared easily over 200 viewings with many more to come. If anything it's a bunch of cool fight scenes and a great matinee on a Saturday afternoon with my best childhood friend.

Goggled Gator

The movie is pure awesome at parts. The battle of Autobot City, not going so well, then Prime rolls into action and shows why he's always gonna be the best Autobot EVAR!

Megs getting reformatted into Galvy then taking out Starscream was great too. I mean, Starscream was a great character, but what better way to show Galvy is more than just Megs with a shiny new body than to have him finally take out someone Megs had put up with for millions of years?

It had a great soundtrack too. I actually bought the CD. Speaking of buying, I actually bought this move three times (one VHS and two DVD versions), which is three times more than I've bought the live/cgi movie so far.

Sure, not everything about the movie was perfect, but overall, it was a good time watching it.

You could actually see all the action, unlike the newer movie, with the camera all over the place herky jerky so you can't keep up (I really hope the sequel is better in that regard). And hey, this one doesn't have any lame masturbation jokes.

In the following days of watching this movie, I was depressed, and I never saw transformers the same way. In Season three, towards the way end, I started not to mind Rodi prime. Then they just brought a crappy version of Optimus back for 1 episode to suck some more stuff.
I mean REALLY? WTF!!!!!!!! Woah, sorry...

WTF? Optimus suck? He saved the universe! What more do you want?

Sledge wrote:WTF? Optimus suck? He saved the universe! What more do you want?

I believe hes talking about dark awakening. The episode I referred to in my post, where prime is brought back to life and found by the gang. He then is a zombie, with alot of damage still, and turns on everyone in a trap by the quints. He eventually regains control and gets back the matrix to hot rod, and seems to die yet again. The whole thing felt like pouring salt in the wound for the fans.

In rebirth later when prime was "offically" back he seems not be all there, like he was still broken. In his intial return he was the prime we knew, in this he just wasnt all there. And Hot rod seem be more or less leading the team with brainstorm(which magically popped out of no where) and spike.