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Tsutsukakushi wrote:This cheap looking KO quality toy here shows buying off scale is the wrong reason to buy expensive Third party toys.

How. CAN YOU POSSIBLY. Know what the quality is? OR WILL BE?

shajaki wrote:

Tsutsukakushi wrote:This cheap looking KO quality toy here shows buying off scale is the wrong reason to buy expensive Third party toys.

How. CAN YOU POSSIBLY. Know what the quality is? OR WILL BE?

Can tell by looking at the pics.

Also the guys who came up with the Machine boys company name, Still makes cheap low quality KO's toys.

Tsutsukakushi wrote:

shajaki wrote:

Tsutsukakushi wrote:This cheap looking KO quality toy here shows buying off scale is the wrong reason to buy expensive Third party toys.

How. CAN YOU POSSIBLY. Know what the quality is? OR WILL BE?

Can tell by looking at the pics.

Also the guys who came up with the Machine boys company name, Still makes cheap low quality KO's toys.

Actually they are among the guys who make the Alternators KOs, and the quality is not bad. One of their products was that KO of Alternators Optimus Prime that came with the KO of the FansProject add-on for it (the gas can gun and matrix).

I also have their Savior toy, which while simple, is pretty good quality. The biggest complaint I have about their original designs is they don't seem to care about 5mm ports. They will have a mix of different size ports all over their toys. 4mm hands, 6mm acessories, all on the same toy. I hope they stop doing that and just make everything 5mm.

They also have a habit of nonsensical names for their toys. Skids is Bread Insect, Springer is Green Ghost, Nemesis Prime is Diablo, Arcee is Carroll, Sideswipe is Cobra.

BBTS has put up a pre order listing for this toy. MB-01 Space Roamer is the name of this toy.
http://www.bigbadtoystore.com/bbts/prod ... ode=retail

This is a very small toy even by Voyager standards. Would consider this a Deluxe-Voyager toy. BBTS says the 16 cm translates to 6.4 inches. but putting 16 cm throught a CM site converter converts to only 6.29 inches tall in robot mode. So this toy has a robot height shorter than the HasTak MP Voyager class cars robots height.

Think the $109 price seems a bit high for a Deluxe-Voyager toy. considering for $6 bucks more, TW Evila star is a Ultra-Leader class toy that cost $115.

At 6.29 inch robot height this MB Astrotrain will scale badly and very short with 30th Blitzwing. As 30th Blitzwing is a full one inch taller at 7 and 1/3 inches robot tall.

BBTS wrote:PREORDER
Estimated to Arrive
July 2015
Our Price: $109.99

This figure features 3 different modes of transformation: Space Shuttle, Train, and Robot.

Includes:
Bio Card *1
buster gun *1
instruction manual *1

This figure stand 16cm tall / 6.4" tall - similar to voyager size figures.
Product Number: MBT10000
Shipping Weight: 1.68 pounds

If it was 7.5 inches at the head it would have been a nice companion for Generations Blitzwing.

Seems a little small to me, but I do like the design. I'm also worried about quality as it will be a new company that seems to have a shaky background. We'll see.

We had a great size comparison just last page. It seemed like it was MP Prime hight. Or a tad shorter.

Preorder posted at BBTS, estimated to arrive July 2015: $109.99

BBTS wrote:This figure features 3 different modes of transformation: Space Shuttle, Train, and Robot.

Includes:
Bio Card *1
buster gun *1
instruction manual *1

This figure stand 16cm tall / 6.4" tall - similar to voyager size figures.

Small voyager? Now im interested. I would gladly pay the same price as a bigger figure to have the luxury of it actually scaling properly with CHUG figures. However knowing he is shorter than blitzwing kind of kills it. But then again, I always felt blitzwing (and springer) were too tall to begin with. Machine Boy, how about you do us a blitzwing to go with your astrotrain ? Ill buy em both...

Nice deco. Just like the prototype pics in the catalog and the e-Hobby version. Btw tsu, it's really hard to tell/dicern the quality just by a PC monitor. Heck, even HDMI 1080i still not enough. Once holding it by hand, seeing/buying one can you give a more accurate analysis.

Think this toy has the same Problem KFC Tempest had. The Third party version robot toy height. Is almost a similar robot height as the CHUG toy version.

Tsutsukakushi wrote:(I) Think this toy has the same Problem KFC Tempest had. The Third party version robot toy height. Is almost a similar robot height as the CHUG toy version.

Do you have it in hand? Is that why you keep saying it is KO quality and in deluxe scale?

Thadicon wrote:

Tsutsukakushi wrote:(I) Think this toy has the same Problem KFC Tempest had. The Third party version robot toy height. Is almost a similar robot height as the CHUG toy version.

Do you have it in hand? Is that why you keep saying it is KO quality and in deluxe scale?

No one knows the quality yet. It's made by a former KO maker, but the KOs they made that I own are good ones.

As for size, it's 6.4 inches tall according to early posts by BBTS. 6.4 inches is right on the border between a tall Deluxe and a short Voyager. Sadly it'd about an inch shorter than the head height of Generations Voyager Blitzwing. I think most people who want this will want to display it with Blitzwing, and it's a shame to have Blitzwing dwarf him so badly. Astrotrain should be the same size or slightly taller than Blitzwing.

I don't mind this being a tad shorter than Blitzwing. Because Blitz is too tall and kinda crappy. It just has to beat out Henkei AT in terms of looks and colours.

Most of my CHUG cons are too small (Henkei Astrotrain, Classics Seekers, Label Soundwave). While there are viable alternatives for these guys the look has always fallen short, so I never bit. I'd welcome this guy if he isn't way too big, as I consider the other Astrotrains to be.

Gauntlet101010 wrote:I don't mind this being a tad shorter than Blitzwing. Because Blitz is too tall and kinda crappy. It just has to beat out Henkei AT in terms of looks and colours.

My thoughts too. So long as he's relatively the same height as G.Blitz, I might bite.

Scaleface wrote: I think most people who want this will want to display it with Blitzwing, and it's a shame to have Blitzwing dwarf him so badly. Astrotrain should be the same size or slightly taller than Blitzwing.

Agreed.

Think this toy cost too much at $109.

Why why why WHY are you always speaking on our behalf's? I seem to recall a few people saying they'd be interested in a C/G Astrotrain in/and/around the height of G.Blitz. It ain't hard Tsu! Scroll up!

Anyone who raises their hand either has a LOT of faith, or is just SILLY for not waiting to see more of the project before committing. Cause I'm interested, but why would I commit when all I see is a half done proto?

shajaki wrote:

Are you talking about the coal tender? We had a debate about it back on page 1 of this thread.

Agamemnon wrote:Are you talking about the coal tender? We had a debate about it back on page 1 of this thread.

I'm missing all kinds of things today

Aw man, I cant deal with that coal car. I might have to pass now...

*Snicker* As I said back on Page 1, it actually makes sense for a "Robot in Disguise" to look more realistic. So, for me, the coal tender is just fine.

Maybe I'm weird then. I like my trains with rockets on the back