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These guys are perfect! Bring on Defensor!

I'm liking what I'm seeing so far. I cancelled out of the TFC not-Protectobots a while back (though I'm still totally getting their not-Groove just because that alt mode rocks) so there's still a Defensor sized hole on my shelves waiting to be filled. If the combined mode for these guys looks good (and they get the frickin' chest right, unlike some of their OTHER recent efforts ) then I'll probably bite, especially if they do them in a gift set so that I don't have to wait forever with a half-combiner sitting around collecting dust forever and by the time I complete him I'm way less excited about him than I was when I got the first figure (yes, I really resent having to wait a year or more just to finish 1 figure like that, especially if I'm forced to buy the first one or so before I've even seen the final version (including paint apps etc.) of the combined form just to avoid the first limb or so being sold out everywhere).

That ^ was one hell of a run-on sentence, top that .

mooncake623 wrote:

Wow, ask and ye shall receive, eh ? (I wish I had a million dollars in my bank account unlike some OTHER account balances )

He looks really, really good. Great even. Those bits just under the chest shields on the sides around the red bit should be blue instead of black, but I think I can forgive it because it is still pretty damn close to the source material. Streetwise also looks a bit wonky in combined mode, but again, I think I can forgive that. This looks like a really good representation of Defensor so I think I'll get him .

OK MT, show me a preorder (on BBTS, please) .

I like it! I'll have to see the alt modes together. I don't think they are going to match very well, but based on how this looks, I might be able to live with it...

Now the bigger question: Will he be able to cross scramble with their Protectorbots? Because that would be awesome!

guarayakha wrote:Now the bigger question: Will he be able to cross scramble with their Protectorbots? Because that would be awesome!

these are the Protectobots.

you mean you want to cross scramble the MT Technobots and Protectobots? I'm not sure I'd even bother, but I'd certainly not complain if it were possible.

craggy wrote:

guarayakha wrote:Now the bigger question: Will he be able to cross scramble with their Protectorbots? Because that would be awesome!

these are the Protectobots.

you mean you want to cross scramble the MT Technobots and Protectobots? I'm not sure I'd even bother, but I'd certainly not complain if it were possible.

Woops...too much hype for the day

From Beretta92 @ TFW

xyl360 wrote:I'm liking what I'm seeing so far. I cancelled out of the TFC not-Protectobots a while back (though I'm still totally getting their not-Groove just because that alt mode rocks) so there's still a Defensor sized hole on my shelves waiting to be filled. If the combined mode for these guys looks good (and they get the frickin' chest right, unlike some of their OTHER recent efforts ) then I'll probably bite, especially if they do them in a gift set so that I don't have to wait forever with a half-combiner sitting around collecting dust forever and by the time I complete him I'm way less excited about him than I was when I got the first figure (yes, I really resent having to wait a year or more just to finish 1 figure like that, especially if I'm forced to buy the first one or so before I've even seen the final version (including paint apps etc.) of the combined form just to avoid the first limb or so being sold out everywhere).

That ^ was one hell of a run-on sentence, top that .

Impressive!!

It looks prett nice so far. Fortunately it looks like the TFC version is lukewarm enough I can take the risk of waiting to see which looks best in the end. Early edge goes to these guys. I'm glad I display my collection in glass cases. I have Herc and Uranus from Tfc and the scale dif between other companies, like M3, isn't as much an issue since they are all independent.

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MakeToys .

So it looks like the Guardia guys are going to be bigger than FansProject's Stunticons and MakeToys' very own Technobots.

Interesting. Not sure how I feel about this. Doesn't put them quite as big as TFC's attempt which is good, but it's strange that they're all of a sudden attempting a size increase. (I know their Constructicons were already bigger than FP's and MT's other combiners, but that team has always been special.)

That actually kinda seals it for me..I prefer the slightly larger size. But to each their own

Intriguing, to say the least. Guess we'll see more soon. Though I have to say the render's feet and thighs look an awful lot like FP Menasor's.

This does look cool, although I'm liking the look of TFC's offering too. I'll reserve judgement until I see what the MT version does with the hands and feet (The thing that annoys me about TFC's ProtectoNots is the fact that the feet basically do bugger-all outside of combined mode).

One thing that does annoy me about the MakeToys version is Groove. He shouldn't be a motorcycle. It's just silly, even by the already-ludicrous standards of scale in Transformers. There's a motorbike the size of a helicopter, goddamnit! That's just dumb! I much preferred TFC's Groove, with his Cybertronian cycle-car thing mode. I don't care if it's GEEWUN accurate- the G1 version got it wrong.

Delta Magnus wrote:This does look cool, although I'm liking the look of TFC's offering too. I'll reserve judgement until I see what the MT version does with the hands and feet (The thing that annoys me about TFC's ProtectoNots is the fact that the feet basically do bugger-all outside of combined mode).

One thing that does annoy me about the MakeToys version is Groove. He shouldn't be a motorcycle. It's just silly, even by the already-ludicrous standards of scale in Transformers. There's a motorbike the size of a helicopter, goddamnit! That's just dumb! I much preferred TFC's Groove, with his Cybertronian cycle-car thing mode. I don't care if it's GEEWUN accurate- the G1 version got it wrong.

Well, to be fair, TFC's is not really based on Cybertronian tech... I believe it's based on the Dodge Tomahawk concept bike, that had the Viper V10 motor in it.




Which, by the way, I find to be completely insane!! Technically, it's a 4 wheeler as the front and rear wheels split when banking to maintain stability. It's a fascinating piece of technology.

Agamemnon wrote:

Delta Magnus wrote:This does look cool, although I'm liking the look of TFC's offering too. I'll reserve judgement until I see what the MT version does with the hands and feet (The thing that annoys me about TFC's ProtectoNots is the fact that the feet basically do bugger-all outside of combined mode).

One thing that does annoy me about the MakeToys version is Groove. He shouldn't be a motorcycle. It's just silly, even by the already-ludicrous standards of scale in Transformers. There's a motorbike the size of a helicopter, goddamnit! That's just dumb! I much preferred TFC's Groove, with his Cybertronian cycle-car thing mode. I don't care if it's GEEWUN accurate- the G1 version got it wrong.

Well, to be fair, TFC's is not really based on Cybertronian tech... I believe it's based on the Dodge Tomahawk concept bike, that had the Viper V10 motor in it.




Which, by the way, I find to be completely insane!! Technically, it's a 4 wheeler as the front and rear wheels split when banking to maintain stability. It's a fascinating piece of technology.

I want that bike so much now...

I am nervous about stability in bot mode. No one-legged poses for this guy.

Stormrider wrote:

I am nervous about stability in bot mode. No one-legged poses for this guy.

well, he'll make a better attempt of it than the G1 toy!

i quite like the look of these guys will definitely be ordering these

i was sooooo excited about this... but im somewhat deflated with the size being revealed. believe me, i dont want to be hung up on scale, but things were going so perfectly and this changes things. hopefully the end result isnt towering over my other combiners.

my scale hangups aside, this all looks amazing so far. but as others have said, wheres the lights on streewise? (who totally looks like the sixth member of intimidator btw)

shajaki wrote:i was sooooo excited about this... but im somewhat deflated with the size being revealed. believe me, i dont want to be hung up on scale, but things were going so perfectly and this changes things. hopefully the end result isnt towering over my other combiners.

my scale hangups aside, this all looks amazing so far. but as others have said, wheres the lights on streewise? (who totally looks like the sixth member of intimidator btw)

Is Guardia that much larger? I just assume he's somewhere around the same height as Giant, so he won't be towering over a good amount of non-TFC combiners, but certainly be taller than Collosus, for obvious reasons

I think these guys are going to be the same size as Giant/M3/Quantron as a gestalt.

The reason they are a different height than the M3/Quantron bots is that they're using an alternate method for the elbows rather than the hip/knee method of M3/Quantron.

In Green Giant, the arms were discrete units, remember? Between the combiner joint/upper arm being essentially the backpack of the two armbots, and the entire forearm being the off-bot kibble, there wasn't a lot of stuff tying the armbots to a specific size. With M3/Quantron, the arms are totally self contained in the bots (besides the hands) but this means there's scale issues to worry about, since the bots are basically going to be the entire length of the arm units. Since the legs of the arm bots are totally unfurled in arm mode, the arm bots are going to be kind of shrimpy compared to the torso bot.

With Guardia, I don't think they're going that route. They're going the MMC Predacons route, where they are basically using an ab crunch and the hips for the elbow. Because the arm bots are less extended, they can be a bit taller in robot mode.

So that's why the Guardia dudes are the same size as the Green Giant bots, but Guardia will still scale with M3/Quanton.

I hope that explains it... it makes sense to me in my mind but mebbe I didn't write it well.

TheGrognard wrote:I think these guys are going to be the same size as Giant/M3/Quantron as a gestalt.

The reason they are a different height than the M3/Quantron bots is that they're using an alternate method for the elbows rather than the hip/knee method of M3/Quantron.

In Green Giant, the arms were discrete units, remember? Between the combiner joint/upper arm being essentially the backpack of the two armbots, and the entire forearm being the off-bot kibble, there wasn't a lot of stuff tying the armbots to a specific size. With M3/Quantron, the arms are totally self contained in the bots (besides the hands) but this means there's scale issues to worry about, since the bots are basically going to be the entire length of the arm units. Since the legs of the arm bots are totally unfurled in arm mode, the arm bots are going to be kind of shrimpy compared to the torso bot.

With Guardia, I don't think they're going that route. They're going the MMC Predacons route, where they are basically using an ab crunch and the hips for the elbow. Because the arm bots are less extended, they can be a bit taller in robot mode.

So that's why the Guardia dudes are the same size as the Green Giant bots, but Guardia will still scale with M3/Quanton.

I hope that explains it... it makes sense to me in my mind but mebbe I didn't write it well.

I also think these will be about Giant-sized, but not necessarily due to revised elbow joints. The renders just make him look like a bulky bruiser - he's a built. Look at FP Menasor... he's lithe and slim. MT Defensor is the opposite. Plus, I bet the leg bots don't just attached to a pre-existing leg structure. I'm sure they're more essential to the combiner's support system rather than mere ornamentation.