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To get back to the Kingpin point, Kingpin did start out as a Spider-Man villain and was somewhat of a big deal for the Spidey comics, and remains as such to this day. However, Daredevil's rogues gallery was made up of fail (seriously, Ghostrider got his own series because the higher ups at Marvel thought the name was too cool to be wasted on a DD villain), so when Frank Miller got the title and decided to rework it he used the Kingpin as DD's main bad due to him being a credible threat (something 99% of Daredevil villains where not) and has since become an integral part of the back-story and mythology. Which is why he is now seen as mainly a Daredevil villain. And why he's part of the Daredevil family license, since the rogues gallery is part of the parent company.

The rights to Daredevil did not go back to Marvel so that Fox could keep X-Men and Fantastic Four, Fox simply failed to deliver on their end of the contract, which was to actually do something with the license. They failed to show tangible evidence of working with the license by the deadline and thus lost the rights. Marvel did however try to bargain, by offering Fox another year-long extension to the contract in exchange for the rights to Galaktus and the Silver Surfer, since they wanted to use both for the Cinematic Universe. Fox declined.

All Fox and Sony have to do to keep the rights to the Marvel Characters they have is to keep making movies with them, no matter how terrible they are. Which is why the Amazing Spider-Man, X-Men First Class, and the upcoming Fantastic Four reboot exist.

Gotta admit, never heard of the Guardians of the Galaxy till the rumors about a possible movie based on them started, and I didn't really care for them at all after that, simply deciding to see the movie due to being part of the MCU. But damn, that trailer looks so fun and awesome, I'm pretty exited.

Other MCU stuff I'm exited about:
The Netflix shows based on Daredevil, Powerman, Ironfist, and Jessica Jones.
And what Marvel will do with Blade and Ghostrider now that they have the rights to those two back.
I also want to know if Uatu is going to be part of the MCU, or if he's still seen as being part of the F4 parent license.

On the topic of SHIELD, I'm starting to lose interest in the show again, I don't even know if they're out of their latest brake (WTF is wrong with them, why do they take so many damn brakes?). Also the whole excitement about them actually using an actual Marvel character for longer than a short cameo is waning. I mean, I was never really interested in Deathlock to begin with, only having known him from Maximum Carnage, and now I think the fact he's part of the show is just completely overblown.
I mean, he isn't a big deal in the comics, but now I'm supposed to care for the show because they included a character that uses his name and has a similar origin and look to him? And the reaction and joy I get from the internet about this just smells of desperation.
"OMG guys, after 13 episodes the show actually does what it promised and uses someone we've actually heard of! And he actually does a few things! This is gonna be awesome, finally the show is good!"

Last night I was at work and I was bored. I started thinking, if the 5 characters in this were replaced by TFs, this would make for a fun and quirky TF side-movie to Bayverse. Imagine instead of those 5, we get Arcee, Hot Rod, Kup, Springer, and Ultra Magnus. Or, if you want to be height-accurate, put in Wheelie instead of Kup to replace Rocket.

Thanks for the info on the Kingpin, I never knew most of that!

Dead Metal wrote:On the topic of SHIELD, I'm starting to lose interest in the show again, I don't even know if they're out of their latest brake (WTF is wrong with them, why do they take so many damn brakes?). Also the whole excitement about them actually using an actual Marvel character for longer than a short cameo is waning. I mean, I was never really interested in Deathlock to begin with, only having known him from Maximum Carnage, and now I think the fact he's part of the show is just completely overblown.
I mean, he isn't a big deal in the comics, but now I'm supposed to care for the show because they included a character that uses his name and has a similar origin and look to him? And the reaction and joy I get from the internet about this just smells of desperation.
"OMG guys, after 13 episodes the show actually does what it promised and uses someone we've actually heard of! And he actually does a few things! This is gonna be awesome, finally the show is good!"

deathlok is boring as all get out in the comics and he's boring as all get out in the tv show too. i admit i didn't find the past few episodes too bad but it shouldn't take like 11 or 12 episodes for a tv show to stop being cancellable mediocre scifi. if it wasn't marvel it'd have been axed by now.

I just finished watching The Amazing Spider-Man 2. It was pretty damn good, about on par with Cap 2.

Few things:

Rhino is in it for only a few minutes, at the very beginning and very end.
Gwen Stacy dies.
Harry Osborn turns into the Green Goblin. He doesn't wear a suit, he is the Goblin. And looks really creepy.

Want to know more, ask. It was a very good sequel, and Andrew Garfield is much better this time around, blowing Tobey Maguire out of the water. Amazing Spider-Man 3 looks very promising.

I hated Rhino in this, he's just comic relief, sure the comic version isn't exactly great, but damn this incarnation is the wrong kind of stupid. His suit needs reworking though, he's based on the Ultimate version, then make his suite closer to that.

Electro was weird, his characterization of being this super obsessed nutjob was just od.

Electro could also rename himself as Dubstep-Man.

The movie felt like it was originally based solely around Electro but ha the Goblin and Rhino just tacked on after filming had begun. The entire Electro plot felt like it's own tight movie, with only a few overlapping moments between Gablin and Electro.

I kinda think that a large chunk of the Goblin plot was originally part of ASM1, but was removed, and then included here with a couple of alterations so that the planned climax could happen.

Dead Metal wrote:I hated Rhino in this, he's just comic relief, sure the comic version isn't exactly great, but damn this incarnation is the wrong kind of stupid.

He wasn't in it long enough for even that. He may have had 1 or 2 one-liners, but that doesn't qualify him as relief. Along with the shot of the Sinister Six's equipment at the end, he's just used to set up either ASM3 or the Sinister Six movie itself.

His suit needs reworking though, he's based on the Ultimate version, then make his suite closer to that.

I agree, when he came out at the end, I just started laughing. He looked like a bad concept from a B-movie sci-fi villain.

Electro was weird, his characterization of being this super obsessed nutjob was just od.

Electro could also rename himself as Dubstep-Man.

The movie felt like it was originally based solely around Electro but ha the Goblin and Rhino just tacked on after filming had begun. The entire Electro plot felt like it's own tight movie, with only a few overlapping moments between Gablin and Electro.

I thought Electro was done well enough. He was the main villain of the movie, so he was there the most. The way he became Electro was a bit convenient and unexplained, but there it was. I didn't think there was enough fighting between them, though. Peter shut him down pretty quick.

I kinda think that a large chunk of the Goblin plot was originally part of ASM1, but was removed, and then included here with a couple of alterations so that the planned climax could happen.

Even in the 1st movie, it would have been the same as it was here, as the main villain there was Lizard. I do like the fact that they made the Goblin a genetic disease instead of something Norman came up with in a lab. I haven't read any of the Spider-Man comics since the 1990s, so I knew nothing of this if it was in the Ultimate Spider-man or any other newer continuity.

I went into this without expecting too much. I wasn't a fan of the first movie and was definitely not a fan of Andrew Garfield, I felt Toby Maguire did a much better job.

So with expectations not high ... I walked in, and the walked out later one with one impression.

This was probably the best Spider-Man movie I've seen.

Was it a sequel? Yes.
Was it an origin movie? For the bad guys ... yes.

I would go so far as to say this wasn't so much of a Spider-Man movie, but more of a Peter Parker movie as he seemed to have more screen time than his costumed self. There was definitely a lot of character growth for Peter (more so with the ending).

I partially agree with what RP and DM have said, there wasn't much of a storyline to Electro. He was a time filler, a disposable villain as the movie sets up for subsequent sequels and spin-offs.

It was good, definitely worth seeing. My one complaint (and it's minor) was the obvious Sony product placement.

Burn wrote:So with expectations not high ... I walked in, and the walked out later one with one impression.

This was probably the best Spider-Man movie I've seen.

WOW... You are the first positive review I have read about this movie to be honest.

I guess going in with such low expectations (and it felt like I was doing it for the sake of seeing it) helped.

Cyber Bishop wrote:

Burn wrote:So with expectations not high ... I walked in, and the walked out later one with one impression.

This was probably the best Spider-Man movie I've seen.

WOW... You are the first positive review I have read about this movie to be honest.

I really enjoyed it too!

Emma Stone is always brilliant, and did an amazing job in this one. Garfield was a lot better than the first one, though there were some overly goofy/slapstick moments (e.g. the heel-click after the corridor scene with Oscorp security, entirely unnecessary after a great sequence). Foxx as Electro was excellent, DeHaan gives me the creeps in everything he does.

The pacing came across as a bit peculiar at points, but overall came out nicely.

The soundtrack, despite it being yet another Hans Zimmer product, was also pretty original, with the first good use of dubstep I've heard in a while for the Electro suite.

And they've planted so many seeds for future developments of this cinematic universe! Sinister Six, Spider Slayer, Goblin returns, Morbius, the Bugle and Jameson - they don't have to address them all, but they can if they want to.

I'm not sure it'll go down well with some of the more hardcore fans, but then, what does? It's a nice re-imagining which borrows freely, without treading too heavily, from the Ultimate comics.

EDIT: Rotten Tomatoes gives it a nice 72% too: http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/the_ama ... der_man_2/

Newsarama liked it too: http://www.newsarama.com/20970-review-a ... essor.html

Though I disagree on their take on Electro. I thought the monomanic element of Foxx's character allowed very easily the transition into a fairly cheesy, laser-minded villain.

I do take their point about Goblin on board, the change and arrival and fight felt a bit rushed. But as I said above, I'll be looking forward to the potential Sinister Six reprise!

Saw TASM2 tonight... and that was one of my favorite movies of all time. Right up there along-side DOTM. I'm just going to copy a "review" I wrote on another website, simply because I don't feel like typing everything I liked about it over again.
Saw TASM 2 and... it was one of the greatest things I've ever seen in my life. Hell, I want to say I liked it even more than Transformers DOTM, but that would be blasphemy. So, I'll say I like them both the same. The whole movie was like some artsy ass art fest, but with super heroes. And that Time Square scene was one of the best ever. Same with about the last 10 minutes of the movie.
Minor spoilers:

But I knew that that one shot from the trailer was going to be the final shot of the movie, I damn knew it. Just like Captain America TWS, the last shot of the movie is in the trailer. But whatever. I thought it was awesome.
Big spoilers:

And the 3-D was some of the best ever. And I like that Electro's theme song played every time he showed up on screen, as did Harry's. And Harry was badass as **** in this movie. It's going to be a long damn wait for TASM3. They set up so much at the end, too. Mother ****, the movie was awesome.

Who the hell gave the movie bad review scores? I want to know, really. WHO DID!!!??? I can even see why someone wouldn't particularly see the TF movies as the greatest movies ever, wrong as they may be, but I can kind of see why they would make that misconception. But for this movie... WTF?

So many bad and mediocre scores and ratings for what? Because the tone isn't consistent? Life isn't consistent. Get over it. And there weren't even really any over the top jokes. Most of the humor is just dialogue based, it shows itself when the characters interact, what the hell is wrong with that? Like I said, whoever gave the movie a bad review was either high, or paid off by Microsoft to **** all over a Sony movie.

SlyTF1 wrote:Like I said, whoever gave the movie a bad review was either high, or paid off by Microsoft to **** all over a Sony movie.

Or they thought it was a bad movie. Different strokes for different folks.

The best film ever? No, I disagree.

A good film that takes what it can from the source material and makes it into something that a wider audience can enjoy, and that fans of the original material can still go along for the ride with all its references? Yes. I think that is what disappointed a lot of fans - they're not the immediate target audience right now.

It was a really good comic book movie. Definitely better than the 1st, and better than the previous trilogy. Spider-Man 2 may come close, but it's because Alfred Molina was so good as Doc Ock. Still the best villain to date in ANY Spider-Man movie. Andrew Garfield, however, has it all over Tobey Maguire, multiple times. Now I wonder who will step in as Mary-Jane in TASM3. Whoever it is, please let it be a naturally curvy redhead. Kirsten Dunst wasn't very believable.

Rodimus Prime wrote:It was a really good comic book movie. Definitely better than the 1st, and better than the previous trilogy. Spider-Man 2 may come close, but it's because Alfred Molina was so good as Doc Ock. Still the best villain to date in ANY Spider-Man movie. Andrew Garfield, however, has it all over Tobey Maguire, multiple times. Now I wonder who will step in as Mary-Jane in TASM3. Whoever it is, please let it be a naturally curvy redhead. Kirsten Dunst wasn't very believable.

I hardly even remember anything Doc Ock did. All i remember is he wanted something called tridium so he could blow up new york. Venom in SM3 and the Green Goblin in TASM2 are my favorites. They were the only ones to kill off a major protagonist. The Lizard did too, but I really don't care about him at all.

And some woman is supposed to play Mary Jane, I don't know who the hell it is, though. She was supposed to be in TASM2, but the movie already had so much in it, they cut her parts out and are saving it for TASM3.

SlyTF1 wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:It was a really good comic book movie. Definitely better than the 1st, and better than the previous trilogy. Spider-Man 2 may come close, but it's because Alfred Molina was so good as Doc Ock. Still the best villain to date in ANY Spider-Man movie. Andrew Garfield, however, has it all over Tobey Maguire, multiple times. Now I wonder who will step in as Mary-Jane in TASM3. Whoever it is, please let it be a naturally curvy redhead. Kirsten Dunst wasn't very believable.

I hardly even remember anything Doc Ock did. All i remember is he wanted something called tridium so he could blow up new york. Venom in SM3 and the Green Goblin in TASM2 are my favorites. They were the only ones to kill off a major protagonist. The Lizard did too, but I really don't care about him at all.

And some woman is supposed to play Mary Jane, I don't know who the hell it is, though. She was supposed to be in TASM2, but the movie already had so much in it, they cut her parts out and are saving it for TASM3.

Venom did f**k all other than disgrace the character he's based on.

Dead Metal wrote:

SlyTF1 wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:It was a really good comic book movie. Definitely better than the 1st, and better than the previous trilogy. Spider-Man 2 may come close, but it's because Alfred Molina was so good as Doc Ock. Still the best villain to date in ANY Spider-Man movie. Andrew Garfield, however, has it all over Tobey Maguire, multiple times. Now I wonder who will step in as Mary-Jane in TASM3. Whoever it is, please let it be a naturally curvy redhead. Kirsten Dunst wasn't very believable.

I hardly even remember anything Doc Ock did. All i remember is he wanted something called tridium so he could blow up new york. Venom in SM3 and the Green Goblin in TASM2 are my favorites. They were the only ones to kill off a major protagonist. The Lizard did too, but I really don't care about him at all.

And some woman is supposed to play Mary Jane, I don't know who the hell it is, though. She was supposed to be in TASM2, but the movie already had so much in it, they cut her parts out and are saving it for TASM3.

Venom did f**k all other than disgrace the character he's based on.

He's Venom. He doesn't need to do anything. His very presence is enough to make him the best thing in whatever he's in.

SlyTF1 wrote:He's Venom. He doesn't need to do anything. His very presence is enough to make him the best thing in whatever he's in.

That's really not how it works. If all the character does with their screentime is suck and die, then it doesn't matter how awesome the character is, it's a waste. Which is the main issue with Spider-Man 3, they tried to cram so much in there, no one really had a chance to shine.

If they had dropped Sandman entirely, spent the first half focusing on Black-suit Spidey vs. New Goblin, with Peter ditching the symbiote after nearly killing Harry halfway through, then the second half being Spidey vs. Venom, with all three coming together to fight in the finale? Would have been way better. Sandman was nearly useless, and Venom showing up only in the final act was both a detriment to the very character, as well as crowding an already over-crowded movie.

SlyTF1 wrote:

Dead Metal wrote:

SlyTF1 wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:It was a really good comic book movie. Definitely better than the 1st, and better than the previous trilogy. Spider-Man 2 may come close, but it's because Alfred Molina was so good as Doc Ock. Still the best villain to date in ANY Spider-Man movie. Andrew Garfield, however, has it all over Tobey Maguire, multiple times. Now I wonder who will step in as Mary-Jane in TASM3. Whoever it is, please let it be a naturally curvy redhead. Kirsten Dunst wasn't very believable.

I hardly even remember anything Doc Ock did. All i remember is he wanted something called tridium so he could blow up new york. Venom in SM3 and the Green Goblin in TASM2 are my favorites. They were the only ones to kill off a major protagonist. The Lizard did too, but I really don't care about him at all.

And some woman is supposed to play Mary Jane, I don't know who the hell it is, though. She was supposed to be in TASM2, but the movie already had so much in it, they cut her parts out and are saving it for TASM3.

Venom did f**k all other than disgrace the character he's based on.

He's Venom. He doesn't need to do anything. His very presence is enough to make him the best thing in whatever he's in.

No sorry, if Venom is done crap, he's crap, which makes the rest suck even more than it does without him. Venom is an awesome character and pretty straightforward to do, if you manage to make what is usually an awesome character and you make him suck more than a porn actor in a blow job film, you're terrible at what you do and you should stop doing it. The only other Venom that was so underwhelming and easy to beat was Marvel Zombies Venom, and he was pretty much dead from the start, and that was not a joke because he was a zombie.

Dead Metal wrote:you make him suck more than a porn actor in a blow job film,

Well in the ones I watch they're actresses, guess we know what sort of porn you watch now!

Burn wrote:

Dead Metal wrote:you make him suck more than a porn actor in a blow job film,

Well in the ones I watch they're actresses, guess we know what sort of porn you watch now!

I thought actor could also be used to refer to them generally? Didn't want to discriminate between straight and gay XD
Oh well ...

Shadowman wrote:

SlyTF1 wrote:He's Venom. He doesn't need to do anything. His very presence is enough to make him the best thing in whatever he's in.

That's really not how it works. If all the character does with their screentime is suck and die, then it doesn't matter how awesome the character is, it's a waste. Which is the main issue with Spider-Man 3, they tried to cram so much in there, no one really had a chance to shine.

If they had dropped Sandman entirely, spent the first half focusing on Black-suit Spidey vs. New Goblin, with Peter ditching the symbiote after nearly killing Harry halfway through, then the second half being Spidey vs. Venom, with all three coming together to fight in the finale? Would have been way better. Sandman was nearly useless, and Venom showing up only in the final act was both a detriment to the very character, as well as crowding an already over-crowded movie.

Venom killed Harry. That's more than what any of the other villains did.

SlyTF1 wrote:

Shadowman wrote:

SlyTF1 wrote:He's Venom. He doesn't need to do anything. His very presence is enough to make him the best thing in whatever he's in.

That's really not how it works. If all the character does with their screentime is suck and die, then it doesn't matter how awesome the character is, it's a waste. Which is the main issue with Spider-Man 3, they tried to cram so much in there, no one really had a chance to shine.

If they had dropped Sandman entirely, spent the first half focusing on Black-suit Spidey vs. New Goblin, with Peter ditching the symbiote after nearly killing Harry halfway through, then the second half being Spidey vs. Venom, with all three coming together to fight in the finale? Would have been way better. Sandman was nearly useless, and Venom showing up only in the final act was both a detriment to the very character, as well as crowding an already over-crowded movie.

Venom killed Harry. That's more than what any of the other villains did.

And that means, what, exactly? Killing a main character doesn't signify a good character.

I have 5 friends that work at one of the local theaters that saw it earlier in the week, all were huge spider fans. Out of the 5 1 really loved it, one said it was ok and the other 3 said it sucked.