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Re: Marvel sequels: Avengers movie lineup change, Dr. Strange, and list of future movies.

Postby sto_vo_kor_2000 » Thu Oct 30, 2014 5:41 pm

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Duke of Luns wrote:Yeah, secret identities are indeed becoming a thing of the past in Superhero movies.


Except for Batman, Superman, and Spider-Man. And if you want to extend that to TV, Flash and Green Arrow as well.


even if you count those heroes is still not the same that it used to be.

I only saw the first of the 2 "new" Spiderman films,but in that film both Gwen Stacy and her father learn that Spidy is.
in the last Superman film Pete Ross and Lana Lang learn what he can do as kids and Lois knew who he was even before he took on a hero name
in the last Batman films,Lucius Fox Rachel Dawes [old F and a DA], Catwoman ,Jim Gordan all learn his ID at some point,heck even a rookie cop figures it out

I lost count of how many people know "green" Arrows id in that show, I think its near or over 10.

and so far I've only seen 1 episode of Flash, and already 5 people knew his id.


Yeah...and they still all keep their identities secret from the public at large. Also, you shouldn't be counting love interests like Lois and Gwen, since they're almost always privy to the secret identity in the comics.

I count them because it normaly takes time for a love interest to learn they are heroes.

in these films they seem to learn pretty quick


My point still stands though, you can't say they don't keep secret identities when they clearly do. Unless you'd like to point out the scenes in the Nolan movies or the Spider-Man movies where they disclose their identities to the public...


dont confuse me with others.
I never said they were going public
I just said secret id's isint like it used to be
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Re: Marvel sequels: Avengers movie lineup change, Dr. Strange, and list of future movies.

Postby Shadowman » Thu Oct 30, 2014 6:22 pm

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Duke of Luns wrote:Yeah, secret identities are indeed becoming a thing of the past in Superhero movies.


Except for Batman, Superman, and Spider-Man. And if you want to extend that to TV, Flash and Green Arrow as well.


even if you count those heroes is still not the same that it used to be.

I only saw the first of the 2 "new" Spiderman films,but in that film both Gwen Stacy and her father learn that Spidy is.
in the last Superman film Pete Ross and Lana Lang learn what he can do as kids and Lois knew who he was even before he took on a hero name
in the last Batman films,Lucius Fox Rachel Dawes [old F and a DA], Catwoman ,Jim Gordan all learn his ID at some point,heck even a rookie cop figures it out

I lost count of how many people know "green" Arrows id in that show, I think its near or over 10.

and so far I've only seen 1 episode of Flash, and already 5 people knew his id.


Yeah...and they still all keep their identities secret from the public at large. Also, you shouldn't be counting love interests like Lois and Gwen, since they're almost always privy to the secret identity in the comics.

I count them because it normaly takes time for a love interest to learn they are heroes.

in these films they seem to learn pretty quick


My point still stands though, you can't say they don't keep secret identities when they clearly do. Unless you'd like to point out the scenes in the Nolan movies or the Spider-Man movies where they disclose their identities to the public...


dont confuse me with others.
I never said they were going public
I just said secret id's isint like it used to be


Not really, a couple of movies just decided to handle it differently. Many others handle it the normal way.
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Re: Marvel sequels: Avengers movie lineup change, Dr. Strange, and list of future movies.

Postby sto_vo_kor_2000 » Thu Oct 30, 2014 6:57 pm

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Shadowman wrote:Not really, a couple of movies just decided to handle it differently. Many others handle it the normal way.


none of the movies and shows you mentioned handled it like they've done in the comics or shows of the old days.

and to tell the truth, I cant think of any modern "comic" film that has.
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Re: Marvel sequels: Avengers movie lineup change, Dr. Strange, and list of future movies.

Postby Shadowman » Thu Oct 30, 2014 7:06 pm

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Shadowman wrote:Not really, a couple of movies just decided to handle it differently. Many others handle it the normal way.


none of the movies and shows you mentioned handled it like they've done in the comics or shows of the old days.

and to tell the truth, I cant think of any modern "comic" film that has.


So how did they do it in "the old days?" Oh, please tell me that you think it's supposed to be "No one but the hero knew" because that would be hilarious.
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Re: Marvel sequels: Avengers movie lineup change, Dr. Strange, and list of future movies.

Postby sto_vo_kor_2000 » Thu Oct 30, 2014 7:23 pm

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Shadowman wrote:Not really, a couple of movies just decided to handle it differently. Many others handle it the normal way.


none of the movies and shows you mentioned handled it like they've done in the comics or shows of the old days.

and to tell the truth, I cant think of any modern "comic" film that has.


So how did they do it in "the old days?" Oh, please tell me that you think it's supposed to be "No one but the hero knew" because that would be hilarious.

I'm not sure why you want to make an argument of this.
I'm not saying that what they are doing is wrong
I'm not saying that its "supposed" to be handled in any particular way.
I'm just pointing out that there is, indeed, a difference between how it was done in the past and now.
I'm just trying to say its not such a big issue for the new era of films.

want an example of the old days making a big effort to keep the identities a secret, just look to the Adam West Batman tv show. "Balloon" dummies or old man Alfred dressed as batman so Wayne and batman could be seen together, bad guys getting hit on the head and forgetting they found the batcave

yes, it was stupid and hilarious, but they went out of the way to make sure no one learned their ideas
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Re: Marvel sequels: Avengers movie lineup change, Dr. Strange, and list of future movies.

Postby Shadowman » Thu Oct 30, 2014 7:42 pm

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Shadowman wrote:Not really, a couple of movies just decided to handle it differently. Many others handle it the normal way.


none of the movies and shows you mentioned handled it like they've done in the comics or shows of the old days.

and to tell the truth, I cant think of any modern "comic" film that has.


So how did they do it in "the old days?" Oh, please tell me that you think it's supposed to be "No one but the hero knew" because that would be hilarious.

I'm not sure why you want to make an argument of this.
I'm not saying that what they are doing is wrong
I'm not saying that its "supposed" to be handled in any particular way.
I'm just pointing out that there is, indeed, a difference between how it was done in the past and now.
I'm just trying to say its not such a big issue for the new era of films.

want an example of the old days making a big effort to keep the identities a secret, just look to the Adam West Batman tv show. "Balloon" dummies or old man Alfred dressed as batman so Wayne and batman could be seen together, bad guys getting hit on the head and forgetting they found the batcave

yes, it was stupid and hilarious, but they went out of the way to make sure no one learned their ideas


They still do that. Did you not ever wonder why Bruce Wayne made himself out to be such a total rich idiot in the Nolan movies? It's so people would think it's insane that he'd be Batman. (Which is why Clark Kent gets away with his infamous disguise, by acting like such a milquetoast; Luthor was flat out told once, and he just laughed it off)
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Re: Marvel sequels: Avengers movie lineup change, Dr. Strange, and list of future movies.

Postby sto_vo_kor_2000 » Thu Oct 30, 2014 7:59 pm

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They still do that. Did you not ever wonder why Bruce Wayne made himself out to be such a total rich idiot in the Nolan movies? It's so people would think it's insane that he'd be Batman. (Which is why Clark Kent gets away with his infamous disguise, by acting like such a milquetoast; Luthor was flat out told once, and he just laughed it off)


Your not telling me anything I dont know.Been reading comics since 75.

But no, its not the same as it was back then, and no, the films arent doing what the old shows did.Even the spoiled playboy act used in the Nolan films is far removed from how it was done.

again, i'm not saying either is better, just saying its different.

again, look at the Nolan films, Bruce pretty much admits to both Rachel and Jim Grodan that hes batman.Maybe it was a bit misdirected but he tells them things that leads them to the realization

in Burton films, Catwoman learns because they get lost in the emotions of each other , Vicky Vale figures it out like a Detective.
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Re: Marvel sequels: Avengers movie lineup change, Dr. Strange, and list of future movies.

Postby Duke of Luns » Fri Oct 31, 2014 10:57 am

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They still do that. Did you not ever wonder why Bruce Wayne made himself out to be such a total rich idiot in the Nolan movies? It's so people would think it's insane that he'd be Batman. (Which is why Clark Kent gets away with his infamous disguise, by acting like such a milquetoast; Luthor was flat out told once, and he just laughed it off)


Your not telling me anything I dont know.Been reading comics since 75.

But no, its not the same as it was back then, and no, the films arent doing what the old shows did.Even the spoiled playboy act used in the Nolan films is far removed from how it was done.

again, i'm not saying either is better, just saying its different.

again, look at the Nolan films, Bruce pretty much admits to both Rachel and Jim Grodan that hes batman.Maybe it was a bit misdirected but he tells them things that leads them to the realization

in Burton films, Catwoman learns because they get lost in the emotions of each other , Vicky Vale figures it out like a Detective.


Continuing on with the different but not better, having the love interest learn the heroes secret identity is definitely in that category. Lois did learn Superman's identity in Superman II (by more or less seeing through the disguise), but at the end of it they had the infamous amnesia kiss. And there was a scene in Superman IV that was strictly about him keeping Superman and Clark Kent a separate entity so he could go on separate dates. Man of Steel Lois learns his identity even before he dons the glasses. That's a pretty distinct change.

And in the Nolan Batman's, I'm not so sure it was a huge thing for Bruce to keep his identity a secret. He really wasn't that big of a presence in the city, what with being absent from it for what, like seven years or something? Everyone thought he was dead. And when he came back? Eh, crazy billionaire that burned down his own mansion, an eccentric recluse. And a guy at Wayne even learned his identity in a very plausible fashion, by finding the Batmobile blueprints in the archives. And do they make a big deal of it? Nope, but the guy getting his life saved by Bruce helped.

As for the current Spidey films....Peter is a moron when trying to keep his identity a secret. He learns pretty quickly that he should have a mask when attacking random thugs yeah, but the Lizard learns who he is cause he labels his camera :BANG_HEAD: . And Harry finds out who he is. Point is, these guys are villains, the guys he's trying to keep his identity and his significant others safe from. Why he doesn't just tell Aunt May he's Spider-Man is beyond me, as coming home bruised and cut up routinely is something that a guardian should look into.
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Re: Marvel sequels: Phase 3.

Postby Rodimus Prime » Tue Nov 18, 2014 10:04 am

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Re: Marvel sequels: Phase 3.

Postby ZeroWolf » Tue Nov 18, 2014 10:11 am

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As daft as it sounds I hope avengers 3 has been split for good reasons. Though it seems to support what James Gunn said about guardians having nothing to do with avengers which is sad as I was hoping they would show up since Thanos threatens all of the universe with the infinity gauntlet.

I know also realize that by the end of phase 3 I'll be near enough 34...thats a little depressing...
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Re: Marvel sequels: Phase 3.

Postby Duke of Luns » Tue Nov 18, 2014 1:02 pm

ZeroWolf wrote:I know also realize that by the end of phase 3 I'll be near enough 34...thats a little depressing...


Eh, if comics moved in real time, Spider-Man would be 68. ....and I'll be 33. Hmph. :-?

Time marches on though! And we'll still be too young for DC Comics "alleged" 45-year old target audience.
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Re: Marvel sequels: Phase 3.

Postby ZeroWolf » Tue Nov 18, 2014 1:40 pm

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ZeroWolf wrote:I know also realize that by the end of phase 3 I'll be near enough 34...thats a little depressing...


Eh, if comics moved in real time, Spider-Man would be 68. ....and I'll be 33. Hmph. :-?

Time marches on though! And we'll still be too young for DC Comics "alleged" 45-year old target audience.

See I think marvel should put out a Spiderman comic which went real time so peter could be a grandad to May's kid(s) and show what happens to a marvel universe sixty years later.

Also really? That's DCs target audience? With the way some of their stuff went I could of sworn it was teenagers :P
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Re: Marvel sequels: Phase 3.

Postby Duke of Luns » Tue Nov 18, 2014 1:52 pm

ZeroWolf wrote:Also really? That's DCs target audience? With the way some of their stuff went I could of sworn it was teenagers :P


It was a half-joke. Last year their was a quote from an interview that mentioned DC doesn't publish comics for kids: http://comicsalliance.com/battling-boy-trailer-video-paul-pope-first-second/

Relevant part of the article:

Battling Boy is a departure for the idiosyncratic cartoonist in that it’s aimed more directly at younger readers. Kirby’s Kamandi: The Last Boy On Earth would appear to be a significant influence, and recent remarks made by Pope at Comic-Con International in San Diego confirm his fondness for that Kirby classic and a desire to create a new comic for children. CBR’s Sonia Harris quotes Pope as saying, “I sat down with the head of DC Comics. I really wanted to do Kamandi, this Jack Kirby character. I had this great pitch… and he said ‘You think this is gonna be for kids? Stop, stop. We don’t publish comics for kids. We publish comics for 45-year olds. If you want to do comics for kids, you can do Scooby-Doo.”
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Re: Marvel sequels: Phase 3.

Postby sto_vo_kor_2000 » Tue Nov 18, 2014 6:32 pm

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ZeroWolf wrote:I know also realize that by the end of phase 3 I'll be near enough 34...thats a little depressing...


Eh, if comics moved in real time, Spider-Man would be 68.


closer to 66, near 67 depending on which month he was born..

according to Stan "the man" Peter was 15 when e was bit in 1962
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Re: Marvel sequels: Phase 3.

Postby Duke of Luns » Tue Nov 18, 2014 10:15 pm

^I thought he was 16, but it was an educated guess off the top of my head.
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Re: Marvel sequels: Fantastic Four update.

Postby Rodimus Prime » Wed Dec 03, 2014 8:43 am

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Here's a brief synopsis on the new Fantastic Four movie:

ComingSoon wrote:Things have been very quiet on the front of 20th Century Fox’s reboot of The Fantastic Four with nary a trailer, poster, or even official image to speak of, but now an official synopsis of the upcoming film has been released and reads as follows:

“The Fantastic Four,” a contemporary re-imagining of Marvel’s original and longest-running superhero team, centers on four young outsiders who teleport to an alternate and dangerous universe, which alters their physical form in shocking ways. Their lives irrevocably upended, the team must learn to harness their daunting new abilities and work together to save Earth from a former friend turned enemy.

Michael B. Jordan, Jamie Bell, Kate Mara and Miles Teller will play the titular team in the upcoming film. Toby Kebbell will also appear as Dr. Doom along with Reg E. Cathey as Dr. Franklin Storm and Tim Blake Nelson as Harvey Elder, aka The Mole Man. Directed by Josh Trank, The Fantastic Four is set for release on August 7, 2015.


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Re: Marvel sequels: Fantastic Four update.

Postby Duke of Luns » Wed Dec 03, 2014 9:43 am

^Mole Man? That's new! I'd be up for some giant monsters, though they'll probably only choose one. And August 7? Thought it was sooner, but glad it isn't.

And then there's the mention of an alternate universe....hmm...the Negative Zone? I suppose it's a logical extension of their desire to explore a strange new area, and cosmic radiation could still exist there.
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Re: Marvel sequels: Fantastic Four update.

Postby ZeroWolf » Wed Dec 03, 2014 11:03 am

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This is going to sound stupid and harsh but I want this film to fall flat on its face. Reason? So the rights can go back to marvel. Simple as that.
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Re: Marvel sequels: Fantastic Four update.

Postby Duke of Luns » Wed Dec 03, 2014 11:49 am

ZeroWolf wrote:This is going to sound stupid and harsh but I want this film to fall flat on its face. Reason? So the rights can go back to marvel. Simple as that.


Even though I am intrigued by how all new, all different this movie is probably going to be, I can't fault your opinion.

The Fantastic Four is one of the most important comics ever written, and I believe the single longest one penned by Stan Lee(at least consecutive ongoing). The first two movies are forgettable at best, even the Roger Corman version, at it's core, was a better attempt(been awhile since I saw it).

Also, my bro told me there were rumors of a Fantastic Four/X-Men crossover eventually since Fox has the rights to both. Is there really that much of a demand for that? Is that why Fox kept the rights? I can't think of many times even in the comics the two teams interacted, any great stories there?

Think Stan Lee will even have a cameo in this one?
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Re: Marvel sequels: Fantastic Four update.

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Stan lee will be there and there's only one instance(off the top of my head) that they crossed over...Onslaught, and I don't think people have been asking for.
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Re: Marvel sequels: Fantastic Four and Black Panther updates.

Postby Rodimus Prime » Wed Dec 03, 2014 12:34 pm

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Here's also a piece about Black Panther's near future, including comments by Chadwick Boseman, playing the role:

ComingSoon wrote:“There’s a director on the movies that I’m introduced, but not for ‘Black Panther,’” said Boseman. “Just being a part of that discussion is huge. You’re reading the comic books and you have ideas about how that’s gonna happen and you can discuss that.”

“Movies” being the operative word here. Although it was previously stated that T’Challa would make his debut in May 6, 2016′s Captain America: Civil War, the appearance of Andy Serkis playing what many believe to be Ulysses Klaw in the trailer for Avengers: Age of Ultron, as well as the rumors of Vibranium playing a key role in that sequel’s plot, have many wondering if Boseman will indeed drop by in next summer’s blockbuster. It would certainly make more sense than having the ruler of Wakanda pop up in Doctor Strange, Guardians of the Galaxy 2 or Thor: Ragnarok. His only other appearance in the MCU was a very subtle reference to Black Panther on a monitor at the end of Iron Man 2.

“I’m excited about it too!” continued Boseman. “Beyond excited, it’s like to the point where you feel numb and then your mind goes off into, ‘Ok, how do I achieve that?’ The great thing about it is that the actual character is unique in a lot of ways. I can’t think of another character that’s like the leader of a nation and is a superhero at the same time. There are a lot of different ways this story can go, ways that they can do it, so I’m really just excited about how it fits into the bigger picture of what Marvel is doing.”


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Re: Marvel sequels: Fantastic Four update.

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Re: Marvel sequels: Fantastic Four and Black Panther updates.

Postby Shadowman » Wed Dec 03, 2014 1:44 pm

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Re: Marvel sequels: Fantastic Four and Black Panther updates.

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Re: Marvel sequels: Fantastic Four update.

Postby sto_vo_kor_2000 » Wed Dec 03, 2014 4:57 pm

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ZeroWolf wrote:Stan lee will be there and there's only one instance(off the top of my head) that they crossed over...Onslaught, and I don't think people have been asking for.

the teams have had other connections

even Scott and Jeans "daughter" was involved with Reeds and Sues "son".
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