Capt.Failure wrote:SKYWARPED_128 wrote:I don't remember much of anything from the one time I watched Pearl Harbor, which probably says a lot about the movie. All in all, it was literally quite forgettable.
As for ROTF, it was a shame about the timing and the fact that Kurtzman and Orci decided to focus on Star Trek. Actually, it's infuriating, when you think about just how much potential it had.
But it's good to know that Bay actually tried to delay the filming for the good of the movie--in my book, that's responsible directorship, especially for someone who's known to be a bit of a workaholic. A pity Paramount refused to listen. The thing about being the director of a movie is that, besides the main actors, you're the face of the movie. And whatever bouquets or brickbats the movie earns is attributed the the director and the actors.
With film criticism becoming the kind of circlejerk you see on Reddit nowadays the so called "Single-man Fallacy" (the false belief that one person is responsible for a large problem caused by many) is trendy to use against Bay. Take for example Prometheus. It went through a complete rewrite with a pretty lousy writer and turned out be be a below par film. But critics love Ridley Scott, so he got a free pass and the writer took the blame.
Yeah; unfair, but inevitable.
Another factor is nostalgia. Scott's been the darling of moviegoers since the 70's, and the nostalgia of Aliens, Gladiator and even Blade Runner remains strong. It's the same phenomenon with Elvis in his later days. He could hardly fit into his costumes, but fans refused to acknowledge the middle-aged, stocky wreck of a man he's become. In their eyes, he'll always be the suave young man with the cool moves.
Bay has become Ridley Scott's complete opposite. He's a director suited to action movies and big scenes, but these movies don't usually get the same kind of accolades as the more "intellectual" films of the same genre. While I'm sure most have watched his movies and enjoyed them, few will admit it.
Capt.Failure wrote:The trend on the cesspool that is Rotten Tomatoes is that Bay deserves nothing but negativity. Due to this if one of his films has issues for outlying reasons (writers, time and budget problems, etc) the blame will always fall on him and him alone. Hell, look at when that extra got hurt during Dark of the Moon's filming. People blamed Bay like he did it on purpose, lest we recall he didn't use the footage from that event in the final film. He repurposed chase scene footage from the Island to replace it. To me it says a lot about him that he wouldn't put that footage in, that he wouldn't want to profit off an event where someone got seriously hurt.
But not in the minds of mainstream and armchair critics. To them Bay can do no right because the hivemind says so.
Exactly. It's been scientifically proven that people tend to willfully pick the same answer according to the decisions of the majority, no matter whether the answer is correct or wrong. It's not for me to judge such behavior, except to say that it's natural for many people to do so.
ROTF as a movie is ridiculously divisive due to its beautifully choreographed action scenes but disjointed plot stuffed with filler, no thanks to Kurtzman and Orci, which is why reactions to it are so extreme. Most have to gravitate to one side or the other, and thus we have flame wars that still rage on despite the movie having been released four whole years ago.