dirk2243 wrote:shamone wrote:dirk2243 wrote:shamone wrote:paul053 wrote:Justice comes with victory. Winner makes their own history.
If Megatron wins, he is a patriot. Since he lost, he is just a maniac or even a moron. Patriots or winners don't listen to a skinny hotdog lip girl.
Prime himself says to Sentinel when he ask did they win the war he said no.
Patriotism is in the eyes of the beholder. Osama Bin Laden and his followers think there patriots. I do not share there same idea's and do not see them as patriots.
so....if you see megs as a patriot....thats your point of view...if not.....
i think i see your point, but osama wouldnt consider himself a patriot,its not about nation for him tbf
but yeh hitler was a patriot
I agree with you about hitler (in his mind) But for Osama it was about a religion which is idealy bigger right, then a country? Wanting Westerners out of Muslim countries? And yet, his thoughts wern't in line with actual Muslim teachings. I think (and my opinion) that he saw himself as a patriot for the Muslim cause, yet he seemed to shift his teachings around to fit his needs.
Reminds me a bit of Hitler.... Aryan race supremacy, Communism needs to be crushed.
@ dirk2243: your last statement is confusing...are you saying adolf in the name of aryan supremacy want to crush communism or are YOU saying communism needs to be crushed?
if we're on the subject of conflicting patriotism...thomas jefferson wanted freedom yet kept black slaves after the US gained their independence. freedom from the british yet keeping slaves? how about andrew jackson? He is praised as a protector of popular democracy and individual liberty for American citizens, but criticized for his support for slavery and Indian removal. The tea party movement...