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I guess I'm the only one who got excited about Ted 2..... ...Yeah, I loved the first one, so what up? Can't a MacFarlane fan enjoy that kind of humor?..Odd man out, as always...

As far as the movie trilogy goes... will I go see them?..yep. Will I dislike them?...Maybe, but that's only because I'm biased with my Transformer love. The first three, whether we like to admit it or not, were a box office hit for the general movie going people. They made a lot of bank. and even though I'm not entirely too fond of the first three ( I do like the third one for some reason, though), I'm glad it's still going on. And I'm cool with Wahlberg being in it. I do like him as an actor.


I wish the movie would be just totally rebooted and set in the 80's......duh, right? Go back to the roots....

headsortails wrote:I wish the movie would be just totally rebooted and set in the 80's......duh, right? Go back to the roots....

Like other awesome sci-fi, Robocop, Terminator, Blade Runner, Aliens... Dare I say short-circuit? Shutup, I loved it.

MINDVVIPE wrote:

headsortails wrote:I wish the movie would be just totally rebooted and set in the 80's......duh, right? Go back to the roots....

Like other awesome sci-fi, Robocop, Terminator, Blade Runner, Aliens... Dare I say short-circuit? Shutup, I loved it.

Stagnation is never a good thing. Ever. Look where stagnation got Transformers. The franchise nearly died twice. But that's convenient to omit when you call the movies "the cancer killing Transformers."

Capt.Failure wrote:

MINDVVIPE wrote:

headsortails wrote:I wish the movie would be just totally rebooted and set in the 80's......duh, right? Go back to the roots....

Like other awesome sci-fi, Robocop, Terminator, Blade Runner, Aliens... Dare I say short-circuit? Shutup, I loved it.

Stagnation is never a good thing. Ever. Look where stagnation got Transformers. The franchise nearly died twice. But that's convenient to omit when you call the movies "the cancer killing Transformers."

I never called it that. chill out capt. failure.
I was just agreeing with buddy about 80's movies ruling. Everything I've seen in transformers, from Beast wars, to the Asian series (that I honestly didn't watch being more westernized) seemed different to me. Animated was different too, the comics were all quite different from marvel to how IDW is now. The WFC and FOC games did awesome, and they are essentially going back to the roots. Anyway, it's all just stipulation and assumption, but speaking from my pov, what got me back into collection were the classics figures, not Energon or Armada or Cybertron, since I never watched those shows being in the west.

The movies don't really do anything new anyway, aside from new designs. The Dark of the Moon is a glorified G1 episode.

MINDVVIPE wrote:

Capt.Failure wrote:

MINDVVIPE wrote:

headsortails wrote:I wish the movie would be just totally rebooted and set in the 80's......duh, right? Go back to the roots....

Like other awesome sci-fi, Robocop, Terminator, Blade Runner, Aliens... Dare I say short-circuit? Shutup, I loved it.

Stagnation is never a good thing. Ever. Look where stagnation got Transformers. The franchise nearly died twice. But that's convenient to omit when you call the movies "the cancer killing Transformers."

I never called it that. chill out capt. failure.
I was just agreeing with buddy about 80's movies ruling. Everything I've seen in transformers, from Beast wars, to the Asian series (that I honestly didn't watch being more westernized) seemed different to me. Animated was different too, the comics were all quite different from marvel to how IDW is now. The WFC and FOC games did awesome, and they are essentially going back to the roots. Anyway, it's all just stipulation and assumption, but speaking from my pov, what got me back into collection were the classics figures, not Energon or Armada or Cybertron, since I never watched those shows being in the west.

The movies don't really do anything new anyway, aside from new designs. The Dark of the Moon is a glorified G1 episode.

Irony, thy name is MINDVVIPE.

Capt.Failure wrote:

MINDVVIPE wrote:The Dark of the Moon is a glorified G1 episode.

Irony, thy name is MINDVVIPE.

Why? Because I like G1 but I don't like the movies? It's G1... a cartoon that's all sorts of ****ed up. I don't go to a live action movie expecting a G1 plot. As you said, stagnation is bad. If anything, the movies stagnated as they ran out of ideas and recycled a G1 idea. Not saying that hasn't happened in other TF stuff, but the movies aren't any exception.

MINDVVIPE wrote:

Capt.Failure wrote:

MINDVVIPE wrote:The Dark of the Moon is a glorified G1 episode.

Irony, thy name is MINDVVIPE.

Why? Because I like G1 but I don't like the movies? It's G1... a cartoon that's all sorts of ****ed up. I don't go to a live action movie expecting a G1 plot. As you said, stagnation is bad. If anything, the movies stagnated as they ran out of ideas and recycled a G1 idea. Not saying that hasn't happened in other TF stuff, but the movies aren't any exception.

So the movies are bad because they aren't like G1, except when they are, then they're bad for not being new?

I think I've just been trolled.

I never said the movies need to be completely like G1. The later shows take from G1, but add to it in a meaningful way. Animated did that, Beast Wars did that. What the G1 show did have is the Transformers as the primary focus, and not humans, and with major characters like Shockwave doing something instead of essentially nothing but walking around grunting.

If they had gone back to their roots, Shockwave would have spoken to Megatron and showed off his personality of being logical and somehow self-fulling. Then Shockwave would get down to some experimenting, and eventually TRANSFORM for once and fight some autobots. That's not stagnation. That's the bare minimum of being Shockwave as a Character. His character in the movie could have just as easily been Shattered Glass Erector riding a big cannon.

There was a lot of good stuff that came from the G1 roots. The movies pretty much took one single component, and that was the basic plot of one episode, and layered crap onto it. I didn't want to rant off but since you seem to over-generalize, I am forced to specify.

It’s always funny to hear people who spend their spare time discussing the appropriate way to talk about Transformers call other people fan boys.

The arguments are always the same, so allow me:

1. Yes, I think we agree that nobody wants to see a movie that faithfully reenacts G1 (dumb G1, we’re all so stupid for ever having liked you). Lets drop it.

2. Yes, it’s all about money, but so is every other movie in Hollywood. Are you saying that makes it impossible for Hollywood to ever make a good movie? Or are you saying it’s impossible to make a good movie about Transformers? Or is it that you just wouldn’t care to see a good movie about Transformers? Just curious.

3. The TF movies are here because of the evolution of special effects, they would have been a reality, regardless of who the director would've been. And if the movies did indeed save the franchise, they could have easily done so without sucking. No reason to be thankful to the guy who need to be talked into sticking around to make another few hundred million off of something every person here is more passionate about than he is.

4. Please stop saying: “You just don’t like these movies because he's making them for a big audience, and not just for you." Watch Joss Whedon's Avengers, talk to some Avengers fans and some non-Avengers fans who’ve all seen it. Then get back to me.

5. The problem is not Transformers. We know now that people like watching giant, transforming robots wage war. And it was never necessary to dumb down a concept originally intended for kids. Transformers were never the problem. Michael Bay is.

Yes, it hides behind Bay’s successful producers, enormous budgets, state-of-the-art special effects and the incredible acting talent he works with, but it’s always there. There’s something wrong with these movies, at a very basic level. Bay just can't tell a story. And that’s what ruins the movies. Not the fact that it’s not G1 enough.

When we talk about these movies, we’re talking about plot holes, cliché characters, cheap laughs, melodrama, continuity errors, predictable setups, lack of subtext and major animation mistakes. If you fail to notice these rather evident issues, kudos, enjoy the movies. I wish I could.

6. As to the quality of the story, are you serious? It’s an action movie with car chases, fight sequences and explosions so the story can’t possibly be good? Really? You can’t think of any examples? Again, if you are able to somehow ignore this, or if you just don’t care and you just like looking at the pretty lights, good for you. But for people who deny that the stories are weak, or wonder what’s weak about them, the answer is, honestly, far too long to include here. If you care but just don't understand what constitutes strong, efficient and powerful writing, check out books like David Trottier’s The Screenwriter’s Bible and/or Robert McKee’s Story. Both were written by successful Hollywood screenwriting gurus and will quickly make you see very clearly where these stories are lacking and why they are subpar, even by Hollywood standards.

7. Yes, Bay obviously has trouble seeing a robot as a character. Personally, I don’t care if Starscream turns into a frying pan, I’m just not interested in characters without a personality. And most of the Decepticons in these movies just growl. If you don’t hate Transformers, I don't see why you would even want to defend that.

Tell me if you think Bay has ever taken the twenty minutes it takes to watch a single episode of any Transformers show or read a single Transformers comic. Honestly, I think it’s laughable to act like that’s too much to expect (again, compare to Joss Whedon, Christopher Nolan, John Favreau, etc.).

Okay, this turned into a ridiculously long rant. Sorry.

Capt.Failure wrote:

Autobot032 wrote:Hmm. So it's sounding like he's going to do all three of the next trilogy. That'll make the fans have a conniption fit.

I look forward to it. Besides the fact they're fun movies half the enjoyment is from the bitter tears of the fanboys.

And to that I proclaim: Long live the Bay!

We are all fanboys. I don't know why so many people are against people who are upset when something they love is porrly done. The thing is at least they are complaining about something we are all passionate about, whats worse is people who are passionate about complaining about people who have something actual to complain about. If you are not a fanboy why are you on a transformers fansite. I used to be embarassed a bit about my love of transformers, but when people found out I was surprised at how much they loved transformers themselves and how interested in my collection etc [unfortunately I have sold it al but I still Live Transformers]. It as only when the live action movies were made that I actualy got my embarassment back, as now everyones view of Transformers was now of the movie. Yes they are fun films, but most action films are.

I can speak for everyone here, yes I am talking on your behalf, tell me i am wrong. We all had the fantasy and dream that we thought would never happen, we all dreamt the day when a live action transformers movie would hit the screens. But it has happened in the worse way possible. There is something seriously wrog with Hollywood. They make mistakes with movies that people with no clue of how to make a fulm would never make. The thing is the movie is actually G1, it was more G1 than any other universe of transformers, but it's not g1 at the same time. I am a G1 fanboy, yes and I'm proud of it, it's the most mature line, if you can say that.

But now to my main point.
NOT ONLY IS BAY MAKING THE NEXT £ FILMS FROM THE SOUNDS OF IT< HE IS BEING FORCED TO DO THEM> SO WE HAVE A RUBBISH DIRECTOR MAKING 3 FILMS NOT 1 BUT 3, THAT HE DOESN'T REALLY WANT TO DO. SO BY THE END OF THE 4TH FILM HE IS GONNA BE SO DONE WITH IT HE'S GONNA THROW THE OTHER 2 TOGETHER, THAT'S WHY THE NEXT 3 ARE BEING MADE ALL AT THE SAME TIME, HE WANTS TO GET ALL 3 FILMS DONE BEFORE TEA TIME SO HE CAN MOVE ONTO SOMETHING HE ACTUALLY WANTS TO DO.

DTR69 wrote:I can speak for everyone here, yes I am talking on your behalf, tell me i am wrong. We all had the fantasy and dream that we thought would never happen, we all dreamt the day when a live action transformers movie would hit the screens. But it has happened in the worse way possible.

I stopped reading right there. You do not speak for everyone and you damn sure don't speak for me. You can just stop that line of thinking right there, pal.

Capt.Failure wrote:

DTR69 wrote:I can speak for everyone here, yes I am talking on your behalf, tell me i am wrong. We all had the fantasy and dream that we thought would never happen, we all dreamt the day when a live action transformers movie would hit the screens. But it has happened in the worse way possible.

I stopped reading right there. You do not speak for everyone and you damn sure don't speak for me. You can just stop that line of thinking right there, pal.

He meant everyone wanted a live-action movie, not that everyone felt it was the worst. You never wanted a live-action movie? I did. Hell, I want a Futurama live action movie, with the voices somehow dubbed over with the originals.

Wheelie Prime wrote:It’s always funny to hear people who spend their spare time discussing the appropriate way to talk about Transformers call other people fan boys.

The arguments are always the same, so allow me:

1. Yes, I think we agree that nobody wants to see a movie that faithfully reenacts G1 (dumb G1, we’re all so stupid for ever having liked you). Lets drop it.

Agree

2. Yes, it’s all about money, but so is every other movie in Hollywood. Are you saying that makes it impossible for Hollywood to ever make a good movie? Or are you saying it’s impossible to make a good movie about Transformers? Or is it that you just wouldn’t care to see a good movie about Transformers? Just curious.

You missed the part were all of my answers can't be boiled down to "Transformers films are bad." If anything, I said the opposite.

3. The TF movies are here because of the evolution of special effects, they would have been a reality, regardless of who the director would've been. And if the movies did indeed save the franchise, they could have easily done so without sucking. No reason to be thankful to the guy who need to be talked into sticking around to make another few hundred million off of something every person here is more passionate about than he is.

"The films sucked" = opinion, not fact. Correct yourself.

4. Please stop saying: “You just don’t like these movies because he's making them for a big audience, and not just for you." Watch Joss Whedon's Avengers, talk to some Avengers fans and some non-Avengers fans who’ve all seen it. Then get back to me.

Factually Marvel fans are more intelligent and mature than Transformers fans, and are open to new experiences and ideas as well. That's 80% of the difference. The other 20% is it's trendy to hate Michael Bay.

5. The problem is not Transformers. We know now that people like watching giant, transforming robots wage war. And it was never necessary to dumb down a concept originally intended for kids. Transformers were never the problem. Michael Bay is.

Opinion, not fact. Correct yourself.

Yes, it hides behind Bay’s successful producers, enormous budgets, state-of-the-art special effects and the incredible acting talent he works with, but it’s always there. There’s something wrong with these movies, at a very basic level. Bay just can't tell a story. And that’s what ruins the movies. Not the fact that it’s not G1 enough.

Opinion, not fact.

When we talk about these movies, we’re talking about one or two minor plot holes. If you fail to notice these rather evident issues, kudos, enjoy the movies. I wish I could.

Edited to reflect reality.

6. As to the quality of the story, are you serious? It’s an action movie with car chases, fight sequences and explosions so the story can’t possibly be good? Really? You can’t think of any examples? Again, if you are able to somehow ignore this, or if you just don’t care and you just like looking at the pretty lights, good for you. But for people who deny that the stories are weak, or wonder what’s weak about them, the answer is, honestly, far too long to include here. If you care but just don't understand what constitutes strong, efficient and powerful writing, check out books like David Trottier’s The Screenwriter’s Bible and/or Robert McKee’s Story. Both were written by successful Hollywood screenwriting gurus and will quickly make you see very clearly where these stories are lacking and why they are subpar, even by Hollywood standards.

I am quite experienced with what makes a good story. To the suggestion I don't know what I'm talking about because I like a movie you don't I believe it is you who are quite ignorant.

7. Yes, Bay obviously has trouble seeing a robot as a character. Personally, I don’t care if Starscream turns into a frying pan, I’m just not interested in characters without a personality. And most of the Decepticons in these movies just growl. If you don’t hate Transformers, I don't see why you would even want to defend that.

Not hating the film's characters = hating Transformers. Such a reasonable argumemt.

Tell me if you think Bay has ever taken the twenty minutes it takes to watch a single episode of any Transformers show or read a single Transformers comic. Honestly, I think it’s laughable to act like that’s too much to expect (again, compare to Joss Whedon, Christopher Nolan, John Favreau, etc.).

Again that assertion that my enjoyment of these films means I'm ignorant of other directors and their work, that if I knew about them I couldn't possibly like a Michael Bay film. Someone here is ignorant. Protip: It's you

Okay, this turned into a ridiculously long rant. Sorry.

Your right. You would have been better off not posting it. It was insulting, ignorant, biased, and overall not very well thought out. F-, apply yourself.

I hope there's a scene of Marky Mark trying to sing The Touch in TF4.

MINDVVIPE wrote:

Capt.Failure wrote:

DTR69 wrote:I can speak for everyone here, yes I am talking on your behalf, tell me i am wrong. We all had the fantasy and dream that we thought would never happen, we all dreamt the day when a live action transformers movie would hit the screens. But it has happened in the worse way possible.

I stopped reading right there. You do not speak for everyone and you damn sure don't speak for me. You can just stop that line of thinking right there, pal.

He meant everyone wanted a live-action movie, not that everyone felt it was the worst. You never wanted a live-action movie? I did. Hell, I want a Futurama live action movie, with the voices somehow dubbed over with the originals.

Thank you. It's about the only thing I can safely say everyone wanted. Who doesn't want something there passionate about to be as real as possible. A live action movie is the closest we will get in our lifetime to seeing hat Trabsformers would really look like, But I was dreaming of something better than what Bay gave us. I think bay totaly missed the wow factor. The concept of transformers is good, but he didn't think transforming robots would wow and audience, so he took there transforming and over done it. The way they transform is so over the top that they don't need to have parts that resemble there alt mode, if they fold away so much. Bumblbee has parts on his arm that don't come from anywhere. Thopusands of bits moving around, is just trying to be wow look at that, but I would be happy with the minimum needed, that would make stronger robots with less smaller parts.
Transgormers are kool becuase there alt mode dictates how there robot mode will look, bays transformers have robot modes that were designed for looks rather than function, and function equals beuaty and bay has proven that. But that is my opinion, I don't speak for everyone else on that lol.

This thread is quickly becoming the reason I don't come here often anymore. People telling those who enjoyed the film that they're wrong, that "it's not what you wanted, you didn't really want this," opinions presented as facts by the ignorant.

Why do I ever bother.

Capt.Failure wrote:

DTR69 wrote:I can speak for everyone here, yes I am talking on your behalf, tell me i am wrong. We all had the fantasy and dream that we thought would never happen, we all dreamt the day when a live action transformers movie would hit the screens. But it has happened in the worse way possible.

I stopped reading right there. You do not speak for everyone and you damn sure don't speak for me. You can just stop that line of thinking right there, pal.

So when you was a kid playing with transformers you never wished that they ould make a live action movie. You never wondered what it would be like if transformers were real. It's not about the movie its about wondering what they would really be like. Thats what playing with toys is all about, your imagining that it's real, you take on the roll, and for that brief moment in your head magic happens. I never used to play with my toys I used to line them up and stare at them, but it was going on in my head. I did play with transformers a few times, but when you line them all up and then prime says roll out, after you have transformed a few it's tea time, so I used to play with expendable toys that i could throw abouut and break, Transformers were to pretty to play with I loved looking at them and imagining.

I'm not your Pal, Buddy
:/

Capt.Failure wrote:This thread is quickly becoming the reason I don't come here often anymore. People telling those who enjoyed the film that they're wrong, that "it's not what you wanted, you didn't really want this," opinions presented as facts by the ignorant.

Why do I ever bother.

Remeber When transformers came out there were also Go-Bots. Go-Bots was not good, and transformers were better. I enjoy watching the Transformers movie, but I hate it as a Transformers movie, yes it's fun to watch but I expected more. And so should you, thats why you are here and not on a Go-Bots site. We all love transformers lets not fight. It's bay we should kiil lol.
I think people need to realise that enjoying the film doesnt mean that you like it, but to say that thie films are a perfect outcome is ridiculous, and thats why people are harsh to people that back bay. Can anyone one really say that the films were the best they could of been, just becuase you like the movie doesn't mean you thought it was great, it shouldnt be people who hate the movie and people who love it, I hate the movie but i will still watch all of them becuase they are still fun, but not what I was hoping.
Bay is a smurf and you will get looked down at if you think he's the right person for the job. It's not being ignorant to other people opinions, sometimes there is a right and wrong answer and the answer is Bay is wrong.

DTR69 wrote:

Capt.Failure wrote:

DTR69 wrote:I can speak for everyone here, yes I am talking on your behalf, tell me i am wrong. We all had the fantasy and dream that we thought would never happen, we all dreamt the day when a live action transformers movie would hit the screens. But it has happened in the worse way possible.

I stopped reading right there. You do not speak for everyone and you damn sure don't speak for me. You can just stop that line of thinking right there, pal.

So when you was a kid playing with transformers you never wished that they ould make a live action movie. You never wondered what it would be like if transformers were real. It's not about the movie its about wondering what they would really be like. Thats what playing with toys is all about, your imagining that it's real, you take on the roll, and for that brief moment in your head magic happens. I never used to play with my toys I used to line them up and stare at them, but it was going on in my head. I did play with transformers a few times, but when you line them all up and then prime says roll out, after you have transformed a few it's tea time, so I used to play with expendable toys that i could throw abouut and break, Transformers were to pretty to play with I loved looking at them and imagining.

Of course I wondered what it might be like, and hoped we'd get an adaptation one day. However you are the one here speaking for me, telling me that the results of a live action adaptation aren't what I wanted when, and I know this must rustle your jimmies something fierce, I enjoyed the hell out of them and consider them a worthwhile adaptation and a solid entry in the franchise as a whole.

I'll reiterate: You don't speak for me, let alone everyone.

I'm not your Pal, Buddy
:/

With the personality you've displayed I consider that a blessing.

DTR69 wrote:Remeber When transformers came out there were also Go-Bots. Go-Bots was not good, and transformers were better. I enjoy watching the Transformers movie, but I hate it as a Transformers movie, yes it's fun to watch but I expected more. And so should you, thats why you are here and not on a Go-Bots site. We all love transformers lets not fight. It's bay we should kiil lol.
I think people need to realise that enjoying the film doesnt mean that you like it, but to say that thie films are a perfect outcome is ridiculous, and thats why people are harsh to people that back bay. Can anyone one really say that the films were the best they could of been, just becuase you like the movie doesn't mean you thought it was great, it shouldnt be people who hate the movie and people who love it, I hate the movie but i will still watch all of them becuase they are still fun, but not what I was hoping.
Bay is a smurf and you will get looked down at if you think he's the right person for the job. It's not being ignorant to other people opinions, sometimes there is a right and wrong answer and the answer is Bay is wrong.

And now you're confirmed for a troll. Should have known.

I hear Burn approaching.
With Mark Wahlberg in the movie, it should just be another Ted movie. Blurr should be Ted, spouting off really dirty jokes really fast, too fast for anyone to even react. Now that would be awesome.

MINDVVIPE wrote:I hear Burn approaching.

Well he'll be disappointed. I'm done here. There is no discussion and no respect from the drooling fanboys. Not like there ever was of course.

Now Ive worked out who Mark Wahlberg is.

Does everyone remeber www.themichaelsmith.com. It was a VW bettle that transformed into a G1 Jazz. When I saw this I was so happy, it ment that good things could happen.
Now it's years later and mikes project is long forgotten, but look it again and you will realise that this is as good as it gets.
I wonder what mike is doing now, If you are out ther mike, when you have a spare moment and if you are not snapped up by pixar or some other company. If you are still freelancing and have a quiet spot, is there any chnce you can knock out a movie. I'm getting a 12core apple soon so If we all chip in we could render the movie for you and send it back for you to edit.
One day a g1 fanvboy will rise from our ranks and light our darkest hour with the movie we want. Those of you who think Bays movie is perfect don't have to watch. Seriously there is nothing wromg with liking the movie, but I don't get it when people are against people who hate it, it's obvious the movie is made by people who don't have a clue, look at the ice cream twins. The sky is blue, or are you gonna tell me thats my opinion and that I shouldn't force that on others.

I never liked the ice cream twins coz they seemed like the annoying thuggy faux-gangsta kids that annoy the hell outa me. If they were using the ebonics to appeal to the African American populace, they should have just kept Jazz around. Jazz had the breakdancing, the beats, the attitude, and was a badass who went straight for Megatron without a buncha stupid ebonics and lame jokes.

Capt.Failure wrote:

MINDVVIPE wrote:I hear Burn approaching.

Well he'll be disappointed. I'm done here. There is no discussion and no respect from the drooling fanboys. Not like there ever was of course.

The only person who is being disrespectful is you. 2 wrongs don't make a right, so be the bigger man, and drop the insults. When ever people say fanboy they are trying to belittle people who in this case have the same passion as them. Drooling......? well it's not posative. This isn't a matter of opinion, the transformers movie isn't perfect, no where close. The level to how bad it is, is up for discussion. It's not forcing an opinion it's fact. The act of enjoying the film should not be confused on the quality and it's goal in representing transformers.
I like hot dogs, but they are not the best meal. And they are not dogs, and they are usualy warm if lucky. The transformers movie is fun sometimes, but as a film about transformers it is not good.
I think people don't like the way people get a point across, so want to argue back.
The fanboys are right, as if it was made right, transformers would be huge right now. There was a cartoon on and a comic when I was young an dTransformers were king. Now they have a live action movie and transformers are struggling. there are more movies becuase we find them fun to watch, but the toy line for the movie is pathetic.
People always think I'm stupid for saying that adults are the main people who buy the toys, and I am constantly told that us collectors are a small part of the ausience. Well this is a site for transformers fans, anyone under 30 put your hand up.......